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The WORD is the one God the Father. Not another God in the trinity.
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The WORD is the one God the Father. Not another God in the trinity.
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We are all our spirit. Our body is alive because of our spirit inside of us. Our flesh affects our spirit. our spirit grows with our flesh and changes by what we do with our flesh. When we die, our flesh is dead and our spirit lives on. When one is saved we receive the Holy Spirit to make our own spirit grow more spiritual. When one rejects the Christ, his or her spirit lives only to please their flesh with sin, and the spirit is diminished and hell bound.
We are all flesh and spirit. Some people who only want to live to please their flesh, they cannot please God and they reject God who says not to live to please their flesh. What pleases the flesh? What pleases the flesh is fornication, adultery, stealing, lying, alcoholism, drugs, etc.
What pleases God and makes the spirit stronger and is opposed to those things.
The people who are more spiritual minded in life, they hear the gospel and want to be saved.
Those who love only to please their flesh cannot submit to God's way.
They are not thirsty for the Truth.
There are many false religions and doctrines for those who do want more out of this life. They try to come to God but are ensnared by the devil to believe in false religions and doctrines.
Satan comes and masquerades as an angel of light.
Who are these getting fooled and why?
People are getting fooled by not obeying what the Way says to do.
I have found in the Bible that there is just one scripture, if all would believe and obey, could stop false religions and false doctrine from even beginning. Thank You God, Father in heaven, for Your Powerful Word, Jesus Christ. Amen.
We are all flesh and spirit. Some people who only want to live to please their flesh, they cannot please God and they reject God who says not to live to please their flesh. What pleases the flesh? What pleases the flesh is fornication, adultery, stealing, lying, alcoholism, drugs, etc.
What pleases God and makes the spirit stronger and is opposed to those things.
The people who are more spiritual minded in life, they hear the gospel and want to be saved.
Those who love only to please their flesh cannot submit to God's way.
They are not thirsty for the Truth.
There are many false religions and doctrines for those who do want more out of this life. They try to come to God but are ensnared by the devil to believe in false religions and doctrines.
Satan comes and masquerades as an angel of light.
Who are these getting fooled and why?
People are getting fooled by not obeying what the Way says to do.
I have found in the Bible that there is just one scripture, if all would believe and obey, could stop false religions and false doctrine from even beginning. Thank You God, Father in heaven, for Your Powerful Word, Jesus Christ. Amen.
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God's Truth
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You say the Father is not the Spirit but a Person. What person does not have their own spirit? You say the Son has a man's spirit, but it is never spoken of anymore and only the Holy Spirit is spoken of and is a proxy Spirit for the Father and the Son.
That is a false doctrine and it cannot be supported by scripture.
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What you say is strange, unnatural, and untruthful.
You say the Father is a Person, and He is, a Person without flesh. The scriptures say He is a Spirit and Jesus Christ's flesh is His flesh.
Lon
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:think: It seemed to have had to have been one or the other. Some, as you probably can imagine, ask, but don't really want an answer, just giving vindictives from their staunch positions. It winds up just being fighting on a triune board. I have to wonder if they are just contentious and not really here for any other reason. I do, unfortunately, question their spirituality in our Lord Jesus Christ because of it. I'm pleased you are the other guy from that and assumed you were not of the former. I've seen you treat discussion as if truth is more important than posturizing our respective beliefs. :e4e:
But Panentheism,is. Ephesians 4:6 Colossians 1:17
Not Pantheism, Panentheism.
I think that is fair for expectation. If you are ever worried about it, put {spoiler] in front of the verses listed and [/spoiler} after replacing { and } for [ and ].
As I said, I like you. Demeanor is the difference between a challenge to something as well as answering questions. I think I was more addressing the material between us, if you will. However, as I've said, I have liked you from the day you arrived on TOL. However that plays out, I believe our best gift to each other is to speak what we know to be true and examine ourselves after to be sure what we believe is true, holds up. For me, that is the greatest gift to one another on TOL. It helps us be made and molded by scriptures (and the reason I'm glad for your scriptures in length). -Lon
I disagree. I believe that it IS mental gymnastics. Moments before, John 10:33 It was CLEAR to the Pharisees that Jesus claimed to be God. Mental gymnastics, as far as I understand scripture, is missing that. Somehow, very clearly, Jesus communicated He was God. Imho, you missed it. John 14:7
Modalism. As I've said, I agree with about half of what an Arian says, about half of what a modalist says. Triune could be partly understood as being "1/2 Unitarian/Modal -ism."
:nono: Which is why I only agree with about half of what you believe. John 1:3 1 Timothy 1:3 then 1 John 4:2 "came in the flesh." Words mean something. If we don't acknowledge those words, we are no longer being molded by scripture, but molding scripture to OUR expectations. There is NO WAY I could be triune if scripture didn't mold me as such. It is NOT intuitive. God isn't a man nor does He think like a man. Numbers 23:19
-- Thank you, btw, for looking up and reading and studying scriptures with me on all this, of course it should not be something to 'thank' because it is the soul of a man who belongs to God, to know his/her God, but yet, it is refreshing to see a love for Him and His scriptures! Thus, I thank you for refreshing my soul with such. In Him.
Did you ever contemplate that the Lord Jesus Christ has authority over that Spirit? John 20:22
When it comes to the Lord Jesus Christ, if we 'assume' we are wrong. He was/is unique. Imho, this is speculative surmising.
We are wholly in disagreement. I am Trinitarian because it is the ONLY position that makes scriptural sense. Like I said, scripturally, I agree with about half of your scriptural ideas, specifically, because they are scriptural. The problem is, I/we see half of what you believe as scripturally untenable. All any other would have to do, is PROVE from scripture we Trinitarians are wrong. To date? :nono: Even you are on about 'tradition.' It is a scapegoat, a rabbit trail, a nothing. I don't care about tradition OTHER than if it aligns with scripture. "Tradition" then, is a strawman and really a waste of time and breath. SHOW scripture and see if someone agrees. You already know where we don't in this thread. Any discussion BUT scripture is a red-herring and a waste of time in most cases (clarification discussion is often helpful).
I gave scriptures to contemplate otherwise. see John 16:28 among many others. To me, it does not look scripturally tenable that the Lord Jesus Christ is a 'created' being. His flesh was made, but to think the Creator is a creature is never expressed. Why you'd believe it, then, MUST be extra-biblical extrapolation. There is no other possibility. No scripture says the Lord Jesus Christ was created. I further believe the ONLY place you could have gained such an idea is from a heretic. Imho, it CAN'T come from scripture.
I appreciate the attempt!
Quick help tutorial of the way "I" do it:
I highlight sentences I want to respond to and hit the "Quote" button above (the dialogue balloon
I delete any sentence I don't want to respond to.
Next, I respond between the quote marks.
Finally, I copy the first quote: [QUOTE=Lon;# and paste it over all of the [QUOTE}'s :e4e: -Lon
glorydaz
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It's too bad you preach that Jesus was not a human like ALL those others. :nono:
glorydaz
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Too bad you deny that Jesus was human as all the rest of us are. :down:
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Lon
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2 Corinthians 13:5 Proverbs 27:17
For you and I, yes. For the Son, more than that, He says that. John 5:23 The Pharisees understood that. John 10:33
Too speculative again. We Trinitarian Fundamentalists truly believe if scripture doesn't say it implicitly, we need to be very careful. I almost always try to give you a scripture, by example, that says exactly what I'm saying. If it isn't exact, I'm making it up. We don't know everything, scripture isn't all we 'could' know, just what we need to know. Because of that, I'm emphatic that scriptures need to be closely adhered to without a lot of speculation. Whenever I speculate or am at odds with the majority of Christians, I try to say it as such. The difference?
You seem to proceed 'as if' you are right (perhaps more a commentary on Modalists and Unitarians than you).
I proceed 'as if' I could be wrong, realizing that going against the majority of people shown to be trying (at least) to follow God, means "I" have to be more reflective and contemplative, possibly entertain that I am wrong.
Again speculative reasoning and rumination. Scripture HAS to say it, else we are just thinking out loud, or worse, saying it as if it were fact or truth. It simply assumes the verses implicit about the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ apply as well to you and I, etc.
YET, He says He had glory (pre-existent by necessity of scriptural revelation) with the Father BEFORE creation. Again, I love the scripture you use, but I KNOW the scriptures go further and CANNOT contradict one another this way. In reality, I often think Trinitarians have just read and retained more scriptures than our counterparts. At least, that is the way it seems to me. John 17:5 See also John 3:16. It isn't 'creation' like all the rest. The Lord Jesus Christ is called "ONLY" begotten. It cannot add up the way Unitarians add it up, though.
I've asked that a few different ways myself. It is, I think, to show the extent of His Love and a desire, not to dispose of us, but redeem us. If it were you or I? We'd have scrapped the lot, including Noah, and started over or just forgotten the whole thing. It is a good question, but at times, we are rightly, as creations, at the mercies of His disclosures and some of it is clearly 'because I said so.' I hated that answer as a child. I have an innate desire to know. At the same time, I've learned humility. As much as I want to know everything, I am not God. I'm finite AND I MUST accept that though God gave me this mind to be ever learning, it'll always be finite. John 21:25
Simply that whether we understand the why, the sacrifice was real and a genuine expression of Love? Perhaps love is the only thing that could/can save us :think: The nature of the "Only Begotten" isn't a necessary conundrum, rather that John 3:16 says that God so loved, that He gave.
While I understand your frustration (I think) it isn't the point for me. Rather, 'our' redemption was the point. I realize we have theology built around the righteous demand of consequences for sin, but John 3:16 puts the focus on God's love for fallen man. It changes the focus back on us and 'our' need.
Jesus is not human now since His resurrection but He is still a man, and not a Godman as trins suppose.
LA
glorydaz
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He is or he isn't, LA. You can't have it both ways. :chew:
You have said here that I am of a cult in heresy, yet you go crying to the moderators if I should suggest anything of you.
You are a hypocrite Lon.
BTW,
You had the moderator remove me from posting on your thread (for no infringement of the rules) after you had thanked me for posting there.
What sort of person are you?
LA
God's Truth
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You don't tell the truth. Jesus is God the Father come as a Man. I say it all the time.
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Jesus is not a human like all the rest of us. Jesus is no mere human. Jesus' Father is God.
I did not say that.
God raised up His son through His overshadowing Mary by the His Holy Spirit, and through the ministry of Gods living word to Him, after which the Holy Spirit entered into Him and began Gods ministry through Him.
After which Jesus went to the cross in His own faith in His Father.
Notice that I did not go crying to the moderators over your saying that.
LA
glorydaz
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Okay, then you're speaking of His not being flesh and blood anymore, which is true.
glorydaz
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Fine. Don't believe what is written. You never do.
Yes you did, Lazy, anyone can read your post and see that that is exactly what you said:
Don't try to deny it.
Why is it that you and Keypurr say the Holy Spirit entered Jesus? Scripture clearly states that the dove of the Holy Spirit landed on Jesus. It does not say the dove entered Him.
lifeisgood
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CONTEXT. CONTEXT. CONTEXT. :doh:
Oh, I forget the great GT, for all her boastfulness of loving God's Truth, does not like its CONTEXT. :sigh: