The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Them who? You can't even keep your own story straight, can you? :chuckle:




I did tell you. But you don't listen. Try examining the Scripture for yourself, instead of making things up as you go along. I'll give you a couple of examples to start you on your journey.

The Holy Spirit was very active...speaking to the prophets, for instance, as we see here.

Ezekiel 2:2-3
2 Then the Spirit entered me when He spoke to me, and set me on my feet; and I heard Him who spoke to me. 3 And He said to me: “Son of man, I am sending you to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that has rebelled against Me; they and their fathers have transgressed against Me to this very day.​

Try reading your Bible instead of rewriting it, and you'll find things you never imagined were in there. Read it....don't make up stories about it.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.​

More here.... 1Timothy 4:1-2 Acts 8:29:

The Spirit is God the Father and the Spirit is Jesus Christ the Son. You don't even realize that in Revelation that you quoted is about the Spirit and it is Jesus.

You don't even know that is the Father God speaking through the prophets.

Hebrews 1:2 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

God the Father only spoke to us through His Son when His Son came to earth.

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

So stop saying God is the Son in the Old Testament and not the Father. The scripture plainly says 'he' talks to us through his 'son' in the New Testament, which proves when God is speaking in the Old Testament it is the Father.

So do you want to change anything you have been saying?

 

[glorydaz]

So it was the Father and Jesus speaking in the Old Testament in Isaiah?
They were speaking at the same time?

Well, I guess you can imagine anything you want to, but we should always base our thinking on what we do have written down. Like the passage in Gen., for instance.

Let us make man in our image....after our likeness.

This constant guessing and imagination has already led you far astray. Whoa up.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

The Spirit is God the Father and the Spirit is Jesus Christ the Son.

You don't even know that is the Father God speaking through the prophets.

Hebrews 1:2 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

God the Father only spoke to us through His Son when His Son came to earth.

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

So stop saying God is the Son in the Old Testament and not the Father. The scripture plainly says 'he' talks to us through his 'son' in the New Testament, which proves when God is speaking in the Old Testament it is the Father.

So do you want to change anything you have been saying?

Who is this......?

King James Bible
Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

 

[glorydaz]

Spoiler

The Spirit is God the Father and the Spirit is Jesus Christ the Son.

You don't even know that is the Father God speaking through the prophets.

Hebrews 1:2 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

God the Father only spoke to us through His Son when His Son came to earth.

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

So stop saying God is the Son in the Old Testament and not the Father. The scripture plainly says 'he' talks to us through his 'son' in the New Testament, which proves when God is speaking in the Old Testament it is the Father.

So do you want to change anything you have been saying?

Yes, as a matter of fact I do.

I want to change what I said about there ever being a chance you would come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[God's Truth]

Well, I guess you can imagine anything you want to, but we should always base our thinking on what we do have written down. Like the passage in Gen., for instance.

Let us make man in our image....after our likeness.

This constant guessing and imagination has already led you far astray. Whoa up.

Just because the Father said that it means what?

You say it is sometimes the three of them speaking at the same time, and sometimes it is the Father, and sometimes the Son.

That is not what scriptures say, at all.

You go against the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

Who is this......?

King James Bible
Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

Who do you think it is?

 

[glorydaz]

Just because the Father said that it means what?

You say it is sometimes the three of them speaking at the same time, and sometimes it is the Father, and sometimes the Son.

That is not what scriptures say, at all.

You go against the scriptures.

:loser: :troll: :loser: :troll: :blabla: :troll: :loser: :troll: :loser:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Who do you think it is?

Jesus, the son of God.

 

[glorydaz]

Who do you think it is?

The hook. She might have a sucker on the line.


Don't bite....she is evil and is hungry....seeking whom she may devour.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus.

Don't you believe the scripture that says God spoke to us through His Son in later times?

Do you believe Jesus was the one always speaking in the Old Testament?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Are you kidding? God spoke through the prophets by the Holy Spirit.

Sure, but that's not what I meant. I meant the Bible doesn't quote the Holy Spirit directly often.

So give me a scripture where it is only the Father speaking and another scripture where only the Son is speaking.

Do you want New or Old Testament?

Here's two New Testament passages, one where the Father speaks and the Son does not, and one where the Son speaks and the Father does not.

Father, not the Son:

And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” - Matthew 3:17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew3:17&version=NKJV

Son, not the Father:

I and My Father are one.” - John 10:30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:30&version=NKJV

Worry about yourself lying.

You meant one of singularity. I'm not going to play your word games.

Now are you going to stand by what you said about the three saying the same thing at the same time?

The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit can say the same thing, and they can say different things. No, it does not mean that they aren't in agreement when they say different things.

For one thing, you need to speak English.

I use words that mean what I intend to say, especially if those words, even if in another language, are more efficient than if I were to say the full meaning.

God isn't more understandable in one language over another.

GT, is it possible for words in other languages to have more meaning than their english counterparts?

Again, was the Son speaking in the Old Testament?

If I remember correctly, the Son spoke a few times in the Old Testament. He spoke as God, because He is God.

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Here are my questions:

1. Would you like verses from the Old Testament (in addition to the verses above which I quoted from the New Testament) that show the Father and Son speaking separately?

2. Is it possible that words in languages other than English, especially considering that the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek into English, can have more meaning than their English translations?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Being in agreement is always saying the same thing.

Incorrect.

Jesus only says what the Father says.

Does Jesus say everything the Father says?
Does the Father say things that Jesus does not say?
Can Jesus say things that the Father never considered? Can the Father?

Did you know that?

opcorn:

 

[JudgeRightly]

If that was the truth, God's UNtruth, you wouldn't constantly be complaining about what people say about you.

You talk about yourself more than any grown up I've ever met. :nono:

I was about to reply to that post, but then saw your reply. I couldn't have said what you said better myself.

 

[God's Truth]

Sure, but that's not what I meant. I meant the Bible doesn't quote the Holy Spirit directly often.

The Bible says God spoke to the prophets by the Holy Spirit.

Can you show any scripture in the Old Testament where the Holy Spirit is speaking and it not be the Father?

Do you want New or Old Testament?

How is it you don't know we are talking about the Old Testament?

Here's two New Testament passages, one where the Father speaks and the Son does not, and one where the Son speaks and the Father does not.

Father, not the Son:

And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” - Matthew 3:17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew3:17&version=NKJV

Son, not the Father:

I and My Father are one.” - John 10:30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:30&version=NKJV

Try again and give scriptures from the Old Testament.

You meant one of singularity. I'm not going to play your word games.

There are three. I have no idea about what game you are talking about.

The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit can say the same thing, and they can say different things. No, it does not mean that they aren't in agreement when they say different things.

I can hardly wait for you to give me the scriptures in the Old Testament where Jesus the Son is speaking, and another where the Holy Spirit is speaking.

I use words that mean what I intend to say, especially if those words, even if in another language, are more efficient than if I were to say the full meaning.

We are English speakers debating, you need to speak English.

GT, is it possible for words in other languages to have more meaning than their english counterparts?


If I remember correctly, the Son spoke a few times in the Old Testament. He spoke as God, because He is God.

The Bible says God the Father spoke through His Son in later times...the New Testament.

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Here are my questions:

1. Would you like verses from the Old Testament (in addition to the verses above which I quoted from the New Testament) that show the Father and Son speaking separately?

That is the Testament we were speaking about. I am waiting for you to show me that Hebrews was wrong.

2. Is it possible that words in languages other than English, especially considering that the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek into English, can have more meaning than their English translations?

No. God does not give more meaning to one language over another.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Don't you believe the scripture that says God spoke to us through His Son in later times?

Sure, but I've never heard the Holy Spirit say if I offer praise I'm glorifying him.

Do you believe Jesus was the one always speaking in the Old Testament?

No.

 

[God's Truth]

Incorrect.



Does Jesus say everything the Father says?
Does the Father say things that Jesus does not say?
Can Jesus say things that the Father never considered? Can the Father?



opcorn:

Jesus only says what the Father says.

 

[God's Truth]

Sure, but I've never heard the Holy Spirit say if I offer praise I'm glorifying him.




No.

So the Son spoke in the Old Testament, according to you, but according to the scriptures it was God the Father.

As for what you said about the Holy Spirit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[God's Truth]

JR, gd, and 1m1s say that Jesus the Son spoke in the Old Testament sometimes, and sometimes the Father did, and sometimes the Holy Spirit did.

Don't they believe the scripture that says the Father spoke through the Son in LATER/New Testament times?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Jesus only says what the Father says.

Liar.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

As for what you said about the Holy Spirit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Very true.