The Trinity

[Clete]

I did not realize that Christ no longer had the job of judgement, is Clete doing that job now?

It's both. My judgment serves as a mere warning. Christ judgment, on the other hand, will crush you to powder.

Debating Christian doctrine as recorded in the scriptures is not the same as debating church doctrine on TOL.

There's no reason for anyone to do either with you without the clear understanding that they are debating an unbeliever.

Alpha Omega, First Last in Revelations is ambigous, it could refur to both but I see them as the Father

I couldn't care less what your personal opinion is. Answer the question like a man. What are you scared of, being proven wrong? Just answer the question.

God can not die, but a created form of God could.

I'll take that as a 'no'. I'm not looking to trick you. Don't be scared of your own doctrine. Straight answers to straight questions will be met with respectful and substantive conversation and debate. Turn into a squirrel and I'll treat the way rodents deserve.

I worship my God as God and my Lord as Lord.

That is NOT what I asked. Your equivocation is just evidence that you're wrong, Keypurr. More directly, it's evidence that you know that you're wrong.

Again, don't be scared of your own doctrine. If you believe something, be man enough to admit it. Is it right or wrong to worship someone other than God?

There is a difference between them friend.

So says you. But since I didn't ask about this, it isn't relevant.

I only have one God and it is not the man who was born in Bethleham.

Right, I get that. This is why you aren't a Christian. You don't get to just believe whatever the heck you want and still meaningfully call yourself a saved member of the Body of Christ. I mean, you can call yourself whatever you want, of course, but saying it doesn't make it so. Words mean things and ideas have consequences.

So, since you failed at the first try, let's go again...

Is it wrong (i.e. immoral) to worship anyone other than God?

Who does the titles "The Alpha and Omega" and "The First and the Last" refer too?

Did God die?

All three questions should have one syllable answers.

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[Clete]

You can not run from truth Clete. It is distasteful at times but it does not change. It was not easy to give up tradition to find the real Christ.

People run from the truth all the time. This is why they will be without excuse on judgment day, you included.

Did you miss the point of my post script comment as well?


How is it possible that it doesn't phase you at all or move you one centimeter away from using an argument when someone points out that the people you're debating don't disagree with your premise?

In other words, your comment about Jesus' comment concerning the Father was a premise in an implied argument. The implied argument is that since Jesus said "XYZ" therefore I'm right and you're wrong. Except that the people you're debating don't disagree with nor do they have any problem whatsoever with what Jesus said. How is that possible? Did you know that before I told you? If not, did my comment cause you to even think it through at all? Did the thought, "Hmm, that's interesting? I wonder how that can be?" ever cross your mind? The point is that your proof text doesn't prove your case the way you think it does. It does not contradict Trinitarian doctrine in any way. In fact, it fits right in perfectly. In spite of this fact, I predict that you will continue to use it as a proof text anyway. This is my evidence that you are far less interested in finding the truth than you are in fighting the evil Trinitarian conspiracy that was spawned from Satan himself to fool us all into believing a lie or some other such nonsense like that.

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[keypurr]

From His BIRTH. John 1:14

The WORD was GOD. John 1:1

Neither verse proves your point.

Acts 10:38 proves mine. Jesus was given power. Thats the WORD.

What else do you have?


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[keypurr]

It's both. My judgment serves as a mere warning. Christ judgment, on the other hand, will crush you to powder.


There's no reason for anyone to do either with you without the clear understanding that they are debating an unbeliever.


I couldn't care less what your personal opinion is. Answer the question like a man. What are you scared of, being proven wrong? Just answer the question.


I'll take that as a 'no'. I'm not looking to trick you. Don't be scared of your own doctrine. Straight answers to straight questions will be met with respectful and substantive conversation and debate. Turn into a squirrel and I'll treat the way rodents deserve.


That is NOT what I asked. Your equivocation is just evidence that you're wrong, Keypurr. More directly, it's evidence that you know that you're wrong.

Again, don't be scared of your own doctrine. If you believe something, be man enough to admit it. Is it right or wrong to worship someone other than God?


So says you. But since I didn't ask about this, it isn't relevant.



Right, I get that. This is why you aren't a Christian. You don't get to just believe whatever the heck you want and still meaningfully call yourself a saved member of the Body of Christ. I mean, you can call yourself whatever you want, of course, but saying it doesn't make it so. Words mean things and ideas have consequences.

So, since you failed at the first try, let's go again...

Is it wrong (i.e. immoral) to worship anyone other than God?

Who does the titles "The Alpha and Omega" and "The First and the Last" refer too?

Did God die?

All three questions should have one syllable answers.

Resting in Him,
Clete

I am not concerned with the judgement that Christ will deal to me for he knows whats in my heart.

I am not an unbeliever of scripture, but I do not believe in what the churches teach. There is much more to the Bible than what they teach.

I do a pretty good job with my answers Clete, I just get tired of the same old question and the same old verses. As far as being a man goes you do realize that it is me against all churches. I have the courage of my convictions friend. If you wish to be part of Satan's club, do so. I have been proven wrong many times but on this I am right.

A Christian is a follower of Christ, I live by his words to the best of my ability. You believe in the body of Christ, I question if you know what it is. It is not sitting in church on Sunday (Satan's day) for a few hours every week. Its doing for his people, reflecting his love and sharing his truth that makes you a Christian.

I have expressed my love for YHWH and his Son for a long time on TOL, if you don't know that by now you never will.

Like Paul, I believe in one as God, the Father, and one as Lord, Jesus Christ. Was Paul a Christian?

I wish you well Clete.




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[marhig]

Don't be stupid. If you're not a Christian, you're not saved. Duh!

Besides, we're commanded to judge all over the place and telling someone that it is wrong to judge is the fastest road to hypocrisy I can think of.

What? Who said that we have to believe in the trinity to follow Christ? it says in Acts 11 that they were first called Christians in Antioch, and they were preaching the gospel not the trinity and not that we have to believe in a triune God to be saved!

It clearly says in the bible Clete that to be saved we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and Jesus said that those who live by the will of the Father are they that enter into the kingdom of heaven. And i truly believe this. So who are you or anyone else to tell others they are not saved because they don't believe as you do?

So no, you are not the one to judge who is and who isn't saved, that's for God to decide, we judge with the righteous judgement and that's the word of God and the life of Christ in and through us. And that's all we judge with. We speak the truth, live it out and leave the judging to God.

 

[marhig]

Don't make me put you on my ignore list. I won't tolerate stupidity. Did you really miss the point by that much?

You call it stupidity that I spoke the truth? Jesus clearly says that the father is the only true God why shouldn't I believe him? What else can that possibly mean? What is the point you speak of then, that I've missed? It's pretty clear Jesus is praying to the father and he called him the only true God.

Also, I personally don't feel that I need to put anyone on ignore, I trust in God to give me what to say, but if you feel the need to put me on ignore, then really you go right ahead.

 

[glorydaz]

God can not die, but a created form of God could.



I only have one God and it is not the man who was born in Bethleham.

Guess you have to ignore this verse, then, don't you, Keypurr?

How many verses must you ignore or pervert to maintain your pride in your own understanding?

That's really what this is about, isn't it?

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.​

 

[glorydaz]

You call it stupidity that I spoke the truth? Jesus clearly says that the father is the only true God why shouldn't I believe him? What else can that possibly mean? What is the point you speak of then, that I've missed? It's pretty clear Jesus is praying to the father and he called him the only true God.

Also, I personally don't feel that I need to put anyone on ignore, I trust in God to give me what to say, but if you feel the need to put me on ignore, then really you go right ahead.

Did Jesus say He was not the only true God, Himself?
Did He say, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father?
Did He say He came out from God and came down from heaven?

This is not that difficult. Put off your pride and your eyes may be opened.

 

[marhig]

It's ALL over the scripture, you just don't want to believe scripture:

John 8:21-24 (AKJV/PCE)​

(8:21) Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. (8:22) Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. (8:23) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. (8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.


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Ok, now just carry on to the next verse

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Who did Jesus say to the Jews he was from the beginning of his ministry? God, or the Son of God?

 

[marhig]

Did Jesus say He was not the only true God, Himself?
Did He say, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father?
Did He say He came out from God and came down from heaven?

This is not that difficult. Put off your pride and your eyes may be opened.

No he didn't, but Jesus clearly says who is the only true God and he says it is the father and I believe him. So do you believe that Jesus is the father now?

And we see the father because God was in him, Jesus was in the fullness of God bodily, dead to his flesh and we only saw the love and words of the Father in him because he didn't live by his own will but by the will if the father who sent him, he lived by the commandments he was given and spoke only what the father gave him to speak, he didn't see after the seeing of his eyes, nor hear by the hearing of his ears, and his voice was not heard in the streets, because he only heard God, and he didn't listen to anything from the world, he didn't let satan in, he saw only the truth, and spoke only the true word of God. He was full of the Holy Spirit, full of God bodily, but he isn't God.

It says in the bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. The father is always in him, and he is in the father, because he always did what pleased the father, so the father never left him. Jesus said that, so if the father could leave Jesus, then he is not the father, the father was in his fullness through him.

But regardless, it doesn't say in the bible that we have to believe in the trinity or that Jesus is God to be saved. But rather that we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. So all those who judge others as unsaved for not believing as their church does, face judgement themselves. Because they could be talking to someone who truly believes in Jesus, loves God and Christ from the heart, who is living by the will of God. And according to Jesus, that's what we need to be doing to be saved and enter the kingdom of heaven!

 

[glorydaz]

No he didn't, but Jesus clearly says who is the only true God and he says it is the father and I believe him. So do you believe that Jesus is the father now?

And we see the father because God was in him, Jesus was in the fullness of God bodily, dead to his flesh and we only saw the love and words of the Father in him because he didn't live by his own will but by the will if the father who sent him, he lived by the commandments he was given and spoke only what the father gave him to speak, he didn't see after the seeing of his eyes, nor hear by the hearing of his ears, and his voice was not heard in the streets, because he only heard God, and he didn't listen to anything from the world, he didn't let satan in, he saw only the truth, and spoke only the true word of God. He was full of the Holy Spirit, full of God bodily, but he isn't God.

It says in the bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. The father is always in him, and he is in the father, because he always did what pleased the father, so the father never left him. Jesus said that, so if the father could leave Jesus, then he is not the father, the father was in his fullness through him.

But regardless, it doesn't say in the bible that we have to believe in the trinity or that Jesus is God to be saved. But rather that we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. So all those who judge others as unsaved for not believing as their church does, face judgement themselves. Because they could be talking to someone who truly believes in Jesus, loves God and Christ from the heart, who is living by the will of God. And according to Jesus, that's what we need to be doing to be saved and enter the kingdom of heaven!

Why does she kick against the goads? :nono:

It isn't a question of believing what any church does. It's a question of knowing the Lord Jesus Christ as God, Saviour, Redeemer, and the Holy One of Israel. You don't, so you do not yet know Him. It comes with the territory. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. The Lord our God is ONE LORD. You will confess it....I just pray it isn't too late when you do.

 

[patrick jane]

No he didn't, but Jesus clearly says who is the only true God and he says it is the father and I believe him. So do you believe that Jesus is the father now?

John 8:24 KJV -

[FONT=&quot]“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.[/FONT]

 

[marhig]

Why does she kick against the goads? :nono:

It isn't a question of believing what any church does. It's a question of knowing the Lord Jesus Christ as God, Saviour, Redeemer, and the Holy One of Israel. You don't, so you do not yet know Him. It comes with the territory. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. The Lord our God is ONE LORD. You will confess it....I just pray it isn't too late when you do.

I don't kick against the pricks because you are not pricking my heart because you are telling me to something that I'm not told that I have to believe from reading the scriptures!

I believe what we are told to believe in the bible, that Jesus is the Son of God, that the father is the only true God, and that I'm to live by the will of the Father. And yes Jesus is the Lord Jesus Christ, because God has put him over everything in heaven and in earth so he is a Lord to me, but he isn't God, only the fathers is God, and Jesus said that the father is his God also, and I believe him.

Why shouldn't I believe Jesus when he says that God is his God?

And you've missed out a bit

Philippians 2

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

 

[marhig]

John 8:24 KJV -

[FONT=&quot]“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.[/FONT]

Patrick please see here in John 10


Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father;for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The Jews said that Jesus was trying to make himself God, but Jesus corrected them, and said you say I blaspheme because I say I am the Son of God? He never said he was God, he said he is the son of God. And he was always with the father, and he said existed before Abraham was born and that's the truth!

 

[glorydaz]

Ok, now just carry on to the next verse

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Who did Jesus say to the Jews he was from the beginning of his ministry? God, or the Son of God?

Actually, the first thing HE told them was that He was the Son of man, and if you were a Jew, you'd understand He was speaking of the prophecy from Daniel.

John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.​

Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.​

If you don't look in the OT, you won't have a clue what you're talking about...which clearly, you don't. Just like John the Baptist came to prepare the way for OUR GOD. You ignore that, too, even though it's right there in Isaiah. Look this stuff up. Don't just parrot the same old thing and call it good.

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.​

JESUS told them He was God. You just don't see it. Every time He said I AM the bread of LIFE, or I AM the Way, or I AM the Truth, or I AM the LIFE, or before Abraham was I AM. You don't know what the Jews understood from His saying that, but that is why they crucified the Lord of Glory. They fell to the ground when He claimed to be the great I AM. They crucified Him for claiming to be God Almighty.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.​

You're nothing but a silly little gentile that has barely read the gospels....you know nothing, and you refuse to listen and learn on top of that. Pride....foolish pride keeps you from seeing what is clearly shown you. It's the same thing with each of you Christ deniers. :nono:

 

[marhig]

Actually, the first thing HE told them was that He was the Son of man, and if you were a Jew, you'd understand He was speaking of the prophecy from Daniel.

John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.​

Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.​

If you don't look in the OT, you won't have a clue what you're talking about...which clearly, you don't. Just like John the Baptist came to prepare the way for OUR GOD. You ignore that, too, even though it's right there in Isaiah. Look this stuff up. Don't just parrot the same old thing and call it good.

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.​

JESUS told them He was God. You just don't see it. Every time He said I AM the bread of LIFE, or I AM the Way, or I AM the Truth, or I AM the LIFE, or before Abraham was I AM. You don't know what the Jews understood from His saying that, but that is why they crucified the Lord of Glory. They fell to the ground when He claimed to be the great I AM. They crucified Him for claiming to be God Almighty.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.​

You're nothing but a silly little gentile that has barely read the gospels....you know nothing, and you refuse to listen and learn on top of that. Pride....foolish pride keeps you from seeing what is clearly shown you. It's the same thing with each of you Christ deniers. :nono:

What? That's not the truth!

So when I say that I am Mary, that means I am God? Just because Jesus says I am in a sentence that doesn't mean he is God!

And if you understand Daniel, then you should know what the clouds of heaven are and you would know that Jesus comes from God but he isn't God.

And the Jews wanted Jesus crucified through envy they didn't like it that so many were following him.

Matthew 27

Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?*For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

Also call me what you want, Jesus says that we will be called all manner of evil for his names sake, but as you judge, you are judged also. By the way I don't need to learn anything from you, you are not my teacher!

Anyway I have to go. Speak again soon God willing.

 

[patrick jane]

Actually, the first thing HE told them was that He was the Son of man, and if you were a Jew, you'd understand He was speaking of the prophecy from Daniel.

John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.​

Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.​

If you don't look in the OT, you won't have a clue what you're talking about...which clearly, you don't. Just like John the Baptist came to prepare the way for OUR GOD. You ignore that, too, even though it's right there in Isaiah. Look this stuff up. Don't just parrot the same old thing and call it good.

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.​

JESUS told them He was God. You just don't see it. Every time He said I AM the bread of LIFE, or I AM the Way, or I AM the Truth, or I AM the LIFE, or before Abraham was I AM. You don't know what the Jews understood from His saying that, but that is why they crucified the Lord of Glory. They fell to the ground when He claimed to be the great I AM. They crucified Him for claiming to be God Almighty.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.​

You're nothing but a silly little gentile that has barely read the gospels....you know nothing, and you refuse to listen and learn on top of that. Pride....foolish pride keeps you from seeing what is clearly shown you. It's the same thing with each of you Christ deniers. :nono:

Great post. I need to read more of the OT but I have seen many OT scripture that confirms the deity of Christ. I have always thought of Jesus Christ as equal to God since Catholic school from K-4th grade, and the OT confirms it, Jesus confirmed it with the OT also.

13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

 

[patrick jane]

50 Names and Titles of Jesus:
1. Almighty One –“…who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:8
2. Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
3. Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
4. Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
5. Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
6. Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
7. Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
8. Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
9. Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
10. Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
11. Faithful and True – “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.” Rev.19:11
12. Good Shepherd - “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” John 10:11
13. Great High Priest – “Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.” Heb. 4:14
14. Head of the Church – “And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church.” Eph. 1:22
15. Holy Servant – “…and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus." Acts 4:29-30
16. I Am – “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
17. Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
18. Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
19. Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
20. King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
21. Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
22. Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
23. Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
24. Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11
25. Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5
26. Messiah – “We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).” John 1:41
27. Mighty One – “Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.” Is. 60:16
28. One Who Sets Free – “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:36
29. Our Hope – “…Christ Jesus our hope.” 1 Tim. 1:1
30. Peace – “For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,” Eph. 2:14
31. Prophet – “And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Mark 6:4
32. Redeemer – “And as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the earth.” Job 19:25
33. Risen Lord – “…that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.” 1 Cor. 15:3-4
34. Rock – “For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.” 1 Cor. 10:4
35. Sacrifice for Our Sins – “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” 1 John 4:10
36. Savior – “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:11
37. Son of Man – “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." Luke 19:10
38. Son of the Most High – “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.” Luke 1:32
39. Supreme Creator Over All – “By Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…” 1 Cor. 1:16-17
40. Resurrection and the Life – “Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die.” John 11:25
41. The Door – “I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.” John 10:9
42. The Way – “Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6
43. The Word – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1
44. True Vine - "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.” John 15:1
45. Truth – “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32
46. Victorious One – “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.” Rev. 3:21
47. – 50. Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace – “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Is. 9:6

 

[glorydaz]

What? That's not the truth!

So when I say that I am Mary, that means I am God? Just because Jesus says I am in a sentence that doesn't mean he is God!

And if you understand Daniel, then you should know what the clouds of heaven are and you would know that Jesus comes from God but he isn't God.

And the Jews wanted Jesus crucified through envy they didn't like it that so many were following him.

Matthew 27

Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?*For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

Also call me what you want, Jesus says that we will be called all manner of evil for his names sake, but as you judge, you are judged also. By the way I don't need to learn anything from you, you are not my teacher!

Anyway I have to go. Speak again soon God willing.

Right, you are unteachable. Nothing new.

 

[patrick jane]

Don't make me put you on my ignore list. I won't tolerate stupidity. Did you really miss the point by that much?

:chuckle: