No. Jesus Is not the Father.
Matthew 3:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Two different persons. Scripture is very clear on that.
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No. Jesus Is not the Father.
Matthew 3:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Two different persons. Scripture is very clear on that.
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Yes.
Jesus, during His earthly ministry taught the law to ISRAEL.
After Jesus' ascension He taught Paul the message of grace.
He sent His twelve disciples (minus Judas, plus Matthias) to preach to the whole world (Matthew 28:18-20). So they did. Many people believed (Acts 1-7). But a year later, Israel still had not, as a whole, believed, and eventually Stephen was martyred for his beliefs (Acts 7:54-60).
This is when Israel cut off Israel for their unbelief.
That's when Saul (who consented to Stephen's death (Acts 8:1)), who would later become Paul, is introduced. He was then confronted by Jesus Himself on the road to Damascus, Soon after, and for much of the rest of his life, Jesus taught him the message of grace. It was so different from the law that multiple times in the Bible it records Paul in conflict with Peter and James, and not just simple discussions, but Paul even gets in Peter's face at one point (Event recorded in Galatians 2:11). After that, Paul and the twelve come to an agreement, that they will go to the twelve tribes of Israel (thus removing themselves from the responsibility given to them in Matthew 28:19-20) and that Paul will go to the rest of the world.
You should read 1+2 Corinthians.
GT, was Jesus able to do anything on His own?
lifeisgood
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Just curious do you understand "For it pleased the Father that in him [Jesus] should all fullness dwell" (Col. 1:19).
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jaybird
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where does scripture say the 12 were re ordered back to the Jews?
lifeisgood
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So you're saying that being that 2 Samuel 7:14 has to do with Solomon that that is saying that Jesus might commit iniquity.
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Jesus ONLY came to do the will of the Father.
Whenever Jesus spoke, it was the Father speaking.
Whatever Jesus did, it was the Father doing it.
John 12:30
In response, Jesus said, "This voice was not for My benefit, but yours.
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Jesus is not divided. There is one body where all must be saved, and Jesus taught that to the sheep, and teaches it to anyone who hears, and Paul preaches it too.
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
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That is just your evil assertion.
2 Samuel 7:12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’”
It is a Messianic prophesy of the Messiah being heir to King David's throne.
2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Right Divider says Jesus was speaking in the whole Bible. That means the whole Old Testament too. That is correct.
Now read this scripture:
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
The LORD God speaking in the Old Testament is known as THE FATHER.
So explain how you don't understand that the Father and Jesus are the same, as shown in the scripture where God says they will LOOK ON ME THE ONE THEY HAVE PIERCED.
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You don't know the Word better than me.
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lifeisgood
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So you're saying that being that 2 Samuel 7:14 has to do with Solomon that that is saying that Jesus might commit iniquity.
Not ordered.
They agreed to go.
Galatians 2:7,9
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter . . . and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. - Galatians 2:7,9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians2:7,9&version=NKJV
Circumcised = Jews
Good, we agree on this.
Was the Body of Christ in the Old Testament?
Good scripture. Even better with context, though:
“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.“But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching,for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. - Matthew 7:24-29 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew7:24-29&version=NKJV
lifeisgood
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I wonder what you do with the CONTEXT when reading the Bible, gt. Ah, I forget that you DO NOT CARE about CONTEXT.
The ANGEL OF THE LORD is NOT The Father.
The Holy Spirit is NOT the Father.
God The Father IS NOT Jesus with a physical body.
It does not matter how many times you say, 'I, gt, declare it, therefore it is God's Truth. Hooooray, I gt, won.'
You have God's Truth mixed up with your UNtruth, gt, which is a shame.
lifeisgood
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That's for me to know and for you to lose sleep over it.
lifeisgood
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There you go again with your comprehension thingy.
BR simply told you what God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) inspired Paul to tell you and everybody else for that matter: 2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.