beloved57
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A unregenerated man is in the flesh and can't please God, therefore can't believe Rom 8:8
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
That is the unregenerated without the Spirit of Christ!
ECT The Righteousness Which is of God
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A unregenerated man is in the flesh and can't please God, therefore can't believe Rom 8:8
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
That is the unregenerated without the Spirit of Christ!
beloved57
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Lost people can't believe the Gospel. It's hid from them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3
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It's still hid from you.
beloved57
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We'll see about that on judgment day !
Jerry Shugart
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All my friend tell me that I am the badest guy they know!
Hi and why are you quoting Pauline truth as you are a LEFTY or an Acts 2 Pentecostal or are just a bible LENDER ??
What Judgment are you refering too ??
dan p
Hi and are you trying to take that TITLE , BADEST from me ?
Merry Christmas to all !!
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beloved57
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You will find out one day !
Hi and you do NOT have answer ??
I know that there are many JUDGMENTS in the bible , so you have no IDEA , so you have no spine EH ??
dan p
beloved57
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See you at the Judgment !
Hi and you can say , EH ??
You are just a SOP , and you show it , DON'T YOU !!
I just remembered that when you RUN OUT of answers , you can only say See you at the JUDGMENTTTTTTTT !!
dan p
Jerry Shugart
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Hi Jerry and we are having MENUDO , TORTILLAS , PORK RIBS in chili sauce and Rice and Beans and TACQUITOS s, so my dinner will be GREAT !!
dan p
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Reading into Scripture ignoring Scripture's whole counsel leads to error
Reading into Scripture ignoring Scripture's whole counsel leads to error
Jerry, if you will go with John, then why not let the man speak for himself?
The passage, not to mention the declaration of Our Lord's diety, is the wonderful summary of John's Gospel and the declaration of sola scriptura: that within the word of God alone lies the solution to man's terrible ruin.
Unfortunately, you are importing more exegetical freight into the passage than it actually bears. The passage is clear that those who believe will have life. The passage is not making a didactic statement about fallen man's ability to believe at all. You just want it to say what it does not say.
If you want didactically clear teachings from Scripture about the moral state of the lost, see Jer. 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; Eph. 2:2; Eph. 2:4-5; Titus 3:5; John 3:19; Rom. 3:10-12; 5:6; 6:16-20; Eph. 2:1,3;1 Cor. 2:14.
Given these clear teachings, reconciliation of your erroneous view of John 20:30-31 to a more accurate view is child's play. :AMR:
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Reading into Scripture ignoring Scripture's whole counsel leads to error
A discussion of weighty matters would move forward if folks would omit their usual anti-Calvinist canards, for they are always offered up by the uninformed. These tactics usually follow a cogent answer to their cavils, only to be rejoined by the anti-Calvinist's just moving the goalposts while ignoring what has preceded. For these eristics, it is usually becomes a game of whack-a-mole as they reach for yet another verse or two hoping to make some point.
Jerry, if you will go with John, then why not let the man speak for himself?
The passage, not to mention the declaration of Our Lord's diety, is the wonderful summary of John's Gospel and the declaration of sola scriptura: that within the word of God alone lies the solution to man's terrible ruin.
Unfortunately, you are importing more exegetical freight into the passage than it actually bears. The passage is clear that those who believe will have life. The passage is not making a didactic statement about fallen man's ability to believe at all. You just want it to say what it does not say.
If you want didactically clear teachings from Scripture about the moral state of the lost, see Jer. 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; Eph. 2:2; Eph. 2:4-5; Titus 3:5; John 3:19; Rom. 3:10-12; 5:6; 6:16-20; Eph. 2:1,3;1 Cor. 2:14.
Given these clear teachings, reconciliation of your erroneous view of John 20:30-31 to a more accurate view is child's play. :AMR:
AMR
ttruscott
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But as a legitimate child of GOD he still had to be trained in righteousness, the choosing of only righteous things by his free will, by the painful discipline of our LORD. In other words he needed his own righteousness also, Heb 12:5-11, especially verse 11.
Jerry Shugart
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You misunderstand what the Apostle John wrote here:
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (Jn.20:30-31).
This not teaching that those "who believe will have life," as you imagine. Instead, John states in no uncertain terms that those who are believing have life. Both the Greek word translated "believing" and the word translated "ye might have" are in the "present" tense.
Therefore we can understand that believing results in life.
But according to the Calvinists the giving of life precedes believing.
How can the Calvinists get these simple things so wrong?
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Jerry Shugart
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Yes, we are to strive to establish our own righteousness, but not for salvation. Here is what Paul said:
"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faithfulness of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith" (Phil.3:9).
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No, of course not.
Since Adam, all his progeny are born spiritually blind, and will never possess spiritual insight (ability) to obey and pleaseGod, unless and until regeneration is granted to them from above, that gifts them with spiritual capacity to love God and believe His message of saving grace (Gospel of Jesus Christ).