The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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With all your lack of degrees and mine? No. Simply YOU made it a Western victory. My whole point was that we in America haven't even been here but 200 years yet we spawn every oddball cult like we are the center of the world. We aren't. I proved it.

Yet I gave you the link. It doesn't matter what numbers China itself gives. They aren't keen on Christianity and will only give you numbers that helps a communist regime.

Not at all. You are conflating. Didn't you notice Africa either? You'd have to discount ALL of those numbers to justify some little unknown cult of Kellogg's persuasion (or Joseph Smith, or Christadelphian, or JW etc. etc. etc.). EVERY last one of you off-groups think you are the one. It shows a brain-problem, a brain-washing problem. EVERY last cult thinks like this. It is literally coming from the way your heads are made. Do you ever wonder how Koresh duped so many? Joseph Smith? Rutherford? Same exact way as the UB has done to you. There are a very small limited group of people like you who are open to suggestions that make you targets and dupes for things that just don't ever add up. They never do.
I wasn’t justifying the UB. Now I see why you went all drama queen on me. Shades of “can anything good come out of Nazareth?”

Israel rejected its calling, the answer to Abrahams faith. So it was given to the Gentile world. West just means that non-Jews took it and ran with it while the Israelites are still stuck and petrified in the Old Testament, waiting for their version of an exclusively Jewish Messiah.

Chicago and more precisely the “sleeping subject” was chosen for the 5th epochal revelation to the world. It’s not like bidding for the Olympics! God works with open minded people and Chicago, the Saddlers and others, just happen to be where they were. In Jesus’ day Israel was the crossroads of commerce for the world. Israel was part of the plan since Abraham "trusted God" represented by Melchizedek. Today America and the English language are best suited for the Urantia revelation.
 
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THE GIFT OF REVELATION​

92:4.1 Revelation is evolutionary but always progressive. Down through the ages of a world's history, the revelations of religion are ever-expanding and successively more enlightening. It is the mission of revelation to sort and censor the successive religions of evolution. But if revelation is to exalt and upstep the religions of evolution, then must such divine visitations portray teachings which are not too far removed from the thought and reactions of the age in which they are presented. Thus must and does revelation always keep in touch with evolution. Always must the religion of revelation be limited by man's capacity of receptivity.

92:4.2 But regardless of apparent connection or derivation, the religions of revelation are always characterized by a belief in some Deity of final value and in some concept of the survival of personality identity after death.

92:4.3 Evolutionary religion is sentimental, not logical. It is man's reaction to belief in a hypothetical ghost-spirit world—the human belief-reflex, excited by the realization and fear of the unknown. Revelatory religion is propounded by the real spiritual world; it is the response of the superintellectual cosmos to the mortal hunger to believe in, and depend upon, the universal Deities. Evolutionary religion pictures the circuitous gropings of humanity in quest of truth; revelatory religion is that very truth.

92:4.4 There have been many events of religious revelation but only five of epochal significance. These were as follows:

1. The Dalamatian teachings. The true concept of the First Source and Center was first promulgated on Urantia by the one hundred corporeal members of Prince Caligastia's staff. This expanding revelation of Deity went on for more than three hundred thousand years until it was suddenly terminated by the planetary secession and the disruption of the teaching regime. Except for the work of Van, the influence of the Dalamatian revelation was practically lost to the whole world. Even the Nodites had forgotten this truth by the time of Adam's arrival. Of all who received the teachings of the one hundred, the red men held them longest, but the idea of the Great Spirit was but a hazy concept in Amerindian religion when contact with Christianity greatly clarified and strengthened it. (500,000 BC)

2. The Edenic teachings. Adam and Eve again portrayed the concept of the Father of all to the evolutionary peoples. The disruption of the first Eden halted the course of the Adamic revelation before it had ever fully started. But the aborted teachings of Adam were carried on by the Sethite priests, and some of these truths have never been entirely lost to the world. The entire trend of Levantine religious evolution was modified by the teachings of the Sethites. But by 2500 B.C. mankind had largely lost sight of the revelation sponsored in the days of Eden. (from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848)

3. Melchizedek of Salem. This emergency Son of Nebadon inaugurated the third revelation of truth on Urantia. The cardinal precepts of his teachings were trust and faith. He taught trust in the omnipotent beneficence of God and proclaimed that faith was the act by which men earned God's favor. His teachings gradually commingled with the beliefs and practices of various evolutionary religions and finally developed into those theologic systems present on Urantia at the opening of the first millennium after Christ. (1,973 years before the birth of Jesus)

4. Jesus of Nazareth. Christ Michael presented for the fourth time to Urantia the concept of God as the Universal Father, and this teaching has generally persisted ever since. The essence of his teaching was love and service, the loving worship which a creature son voluntarily gives in recognition of, and response to, the loving ministry of God his Father; the freewill service which such creature sons bestow upon their brethren in the joyous realization that in this service they are likewise serving God the Father. (7 BC)

5. The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia. (1911-1934, printed 1955)
 

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Israel rejected its calling, the answer to Abrahams faith. So it was given to the Gentile world.

Did all of Israel reject God's calling?

West just means that non-Jews took it and ran with it

Because you or some book says so?

while the Israelites are still stuck and petrified in the Old Testament, waiting for their version of an exclusively Jewish Messiah.

Do you assume that God is never coming back to work with Israel again? Why?
 

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The light went West as Jesus said it would.

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“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”
Where in the universe to you get "the light will go west" from that passage? That is sheer fantasy.
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.
Yes, Jesus told THEM (i.e., the corrupt leaders of Israel) that He would "take the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit". The Bible also tells WHO those people are to whom God would "give the kingdom"....
Luk 12:32 KJV Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
 
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Did all of Israel reject God's calling?



Because you or some book says so?



Do you assume that God is never coming back to work with Israel again? Why?
Judaism and the body of Israelites categorically rejected Jesus! Of coarse some Jews became followers of Jesus, even gave up their lives for the Jesus movement. But many Jews persecuted their brothers who joined the Jesus movement. The most notable persecutor of Christians who converted was Saul of Tarsus. The message of Jesus almost completely failed in the land of its birth.


STATUS OF INDIVIDUAL JEWS​

175:2.1 "The fact that the spiritual leaders and the religious teachers of the Jewish nation onetime rejected the teachings of Jesus and conspired to bring about his cruel death, does not in any manner affect the status of any individual Jew in his standing before God. And it should not cause those who profess to be followers of the Christ to be prejudiced against the Jew as a fellow mortal. The Jews, as a nation, as a sociopolitical group, paid in full the terrible price of rejecting the Prince of Peace. Long since they ceased to be the spiritual torchbearers of divine truth to the races of mankind, but this constitutes no valid reason why the individual descendants of these long-ago Jews should be made to suffer the persecutions which have been visited upon them by intolerant, unworthy, and bigoted professed followers of Jesus of Nazareth, who was, himself, a Jew by natural birth.

175:2.2 Many times has this unreasoning and un-Christlike hatred and persecution of modern Jews terminated in the suffering and death of some innocent and unoffending Jewish individual whose very ancestors, in the times of Jesus, heartily accepted his gospel and presently died unflinchingly for that truth which they so wholeheartedly believed. What a shudder of horror passes over the onlooking celestial beings as they behold the professed followers of Jesus indulge themselves in persecuting, harassing, and even murdering the later-day descendants of Peter, Philip, Matthew, and others of the Palestinian Jews who so gloriously yielded up their lives as the first martyrs of the gospel of the heavenly kingdom!

175:2.3 How cruel and unreasoning to compel innocent children to suffer for the sins of their progenitors, misdeeds of which they are wholly ignorant, and for which they could in no way be responsible! And to do such wicked deeds in the name of one who taught his disciples to love even their enemies! It has become necessary, in this recital of the life of Jesus, to portray the manner in which certain of his fellow Jews rejected him and conspired to bring about his ignominious death; but we would warn all who read this narrative that the presentation of such a historical recital in no way justifies the unjust hatred, nor condones the unfair attitude of mind, which so many professed Christians have maintained toward individual Jews for many centuries. Kingdom believers, those who follow the teachings of Jesus, must cease to mistreat the individual Jew as one who is guilty of the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus. The Father and his Creator Son have never ceased to love the Jews. God is no respecter of persons, and salvation is for the Jew as well as for the gentile." UB 1955
 

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Where in the universe to you get "the light will go west" from that passage? That is sheer fantasy.

Yes, Jesus told THEM (i.e., the corrupt leaders of Israel) that He would "take the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit". The Bible also tells WHO those people are to whom God would "give the kingdom"....
The "flock" are the believers, not those who reject it.

first 400 years of Christianity:



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Judaism and the body of Israelites categorically rejected Jesus! Of coarse some Jews became followers of Jesus, even gave up their lives for the Jesus movement.

So then not all of Israel rejected their Messiah. Yes?

But many Jews persecuted their brothers

True.

who joined the Jesus movement.

Are you referring to Christianity? If so, you are incorrect.

The most notable persecutor of Christians who converted was Saul of Tarsus.

Well he was certainly converted, and he was certainly the most notable persecutor, but what he converted to was not what Jesus and the twelve were converting people.

The message of Jesus almost completely failed in the land of its birth.

True.
 

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The LITTLE flock is a SPECIFIC group of Israelites.

You are frequently dishonest.

Again, were does SCRIPTURE document this SUPPOSED claim of yours.
The term "little flock" appears once in the Bible when Jesus was speaking to believers. You are imagining things.

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”[b]

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Its not my problem if you cant figure out that Christianity spread WEST of Israel.

Follow the arrow, its pointing to the West.

<-----------WEST..................................East-------------------------------------->

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So then not all of Israel rejected their Messiah. Yes?



True.



Are you referring to Christianity? If so, you are incorrect.



Well he was certainly converted, and he was certainly the most notable persecutor, but what he converted to was not what Jesus and the twelve were converting people.



True.
Very few Jews became followers of Jesus in Israel. Even today the Messianic movement is quite small. Christianity was a very small movement in Israel. Jesus had forewarned his disciples to look for the coming day of the overthrow of Jerusalem so they could get out ahead of time.
 

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Christianity was a very small movement in Israel.

"Christianity" didn't exist while Christ was on earth or even for a year AFTER He left.

Jesus had forewarned his disciples to look for the coming day of the overthrow of Jerusalem so they could get out ahead of time.

What He told them to look for was His return.

But he never came back, for a reason which you, because you reject most of the Bible, are not aware of.
 

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So Jesus was lying then?

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” - Matthew 15:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew15:24&version=NKJV



Nope.
Jesus was either misremembered by the author and or translator of Matthew 15:24 or he changed his mind because he also said Mark 16:15-16 “15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

The original hope was that the Israelites would accept the original gospel message. They would be preaching it to all the world today from the 2nd temple. But they rejected their calling, broke the promise, lost their nation and were scattered.
 

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The term "little flock" appears once in the Bible when Jesus was speaking to believers. You are imagining things.
Talking to you is exactly like talking to a deaf person.
32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”[b]

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.
Again, the LITTLE FLOCK were ALL select ISRAELITES. They included the TWELVE apostles that will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL.
Its not my problem if you cant figure out that Christianity spread WEST of Israel.
You are retarded, at least spiritually.
Follow the arrow, its pointing to the West.
That you cannot tell the difference between Israel and the body of Christ is your own fault. But what should we expect from a cultist like you?
 

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Jesus was either misremembered by the author and or translator of Matthew 15:24

You're rationalizing.

Why? Because I pointed out, and you recognize, that there's a significant flaw in what you just said that you can't address, so instead of revising your beliefs to fit reality, you try to rationalize it away.

Don't do that. Let scripture speak for itself.

or he changed his mind

No. He didn't. His mission was to go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

His mission did not become His disciples' mission. They had a different mission, which they, on their own authority, which had been given to them BY JESUS HIMSELF, decided not to do.

because he also said Mark 16:15-16 “15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Yes He did, which in no way contradicts Jesus' above words in red.

The original hope was that the Israelites would accept the original gospel message.

No.

The hope was that Israel, as a whole, would repent of their unbelief and turn back toward their God, so that He could bring about the Kingdom He had promised them.

They would be preaching it to all the world

What, the gospel of the circumcision? That's what Christ told them to do. Then circumstances changed, and they no longer had to do what He told them to do, because to do so would have been foolish.

today from the 2nd temple.

What "2nd temple"?

But they rejected their calling, broke the promise, lost their nation and were scattered.

You never answered my question:

So then not all of Israel rejected their Messiah. Yes?
 

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Talking to you is exactly like talking to a deaf person.

Again, the LITTLE FLOCK were ALL select ISRAELITES. They included the TWELVE apostles that will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL.

You are retarded, at least spiritually.

That you cannot tell the difference between Israel and the body of Christ is your own fault. But what should we expect from a cultist like you?

You want flock to mean select Israelites.

Israel is just a tiny country. They were unchosen, left "desolate" after rejecting God for the final time.
 

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You want flock to mean select Israelites.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

Israel is just a tiny country.

So what?

They were unchosen, left "desolate" after rejecting God for the final time.

I'll ask again, since you didn't give a clear answer.

Is God completely done with Israel, never to return to her?
 
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