The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[journey]

The ub is a comic book - not a revelation from God. The ub is total fiction - used by the urantia UFO cult. In stark contrast, the Holy Bible is a Revelation from God and anything that contradicts it is garbage. The ub and the Holy Bible don't belong in the same sentence - mainly because they have different authors. God has nothing to do with writing that contradicts His Own Words.

In conclusion, the ub is really very poor fiction - not worthy of comparison with the Holy Bible - God's Word.

 

[Caino]

"Divine truth is a spirit-discerned and living reality. Truth exists only on high spiritual levels of the realization of divinity and the consciousness of communion with God. You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. When you undertake the human formulation of divine truth, it speedily dies. Post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth, even at best, can eventuate only in the realization of a peculiar form of intellectualized glorified wisdom. Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory. Living truth is dynamic and can enjoy only an experiential existence in the human mind." UB

 

[journey]

The ub wins the Malarkey Award. Congratulations.

 

[Caino]

The Urantia Book is the most comprehensive revelation of truth yet to our world. Within it were a number of brow raising statements about history and science that were in no way proven in the early 20th century but are now being validated with increasing accuracy. One of those was the 'feathered dinosaurs."


http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-60-urantia-during-the-early-land-life-era?criteria=birds#U60_1_10


http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/wonder/dinosaurs-had-feathers-deal-with-it/vi-BBkVPIx

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The Urantia Book is the most comprehensive revelation of truth yet to our world. Within it were a number of brow raising statements about history and science that were in no way proven in the early 20th century but are now being validated with increasing accuracy. One of those was the 'feathered dinosaurs."


http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-60-urantia-during-the-early-land-life-era?criteria=birds#U60_1_10


http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/wonder/dinosaurs-had-feathers-deal-with-it/vi-BBkVPIx

You mean, "next to 'Mad Magazine?"

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Caino, you poor fellow. You lack, proper education, logic, reason, intelligence, and
wit! You do have something though; my pity.

 

[Caino]

In the Urantia Revelation we learned that Adam and Eve were bestowed upon the human race that had evolved from a previous life implantation 550,000,000 years ago. They arrived nearly 1,000,000 years after humans of will consciousness first appeared (Andon and Fonta) and roughly 150,000 years after the fall of the world lead by Lucifer, his assistant Satan who convinced the Planetary Prince Caligastia to join the insurrection.

"Adam’s bestowal improved the brain power of the races, thereby greatly hastening the processes of natural evolution."UB 1955

 

[journey]

Genesis 1:26-28 KJV And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[freelight]

Reminders for those following..............

Reminders for those following..............

The ub is a comic book - not a revelation from God. The ub is total fiction - used by the urantia UFO cult. In stark contrast, the Holy Bible is a Revelation from God and anything that contradicts it is garbage. The ub and the Holy Bible don't belong in the same sentence - mainly because they have different authors. God has nothing to do with writing that contradicts His Own Words.

First off, your 'claims' have been addressed and challenged here (and elsewhere).

There is no Urantia UFO cult. How many times do we have to go thru this? The UB has nothing to do with UFOs...neither does it support or encourage a cult-like following. It teaches principles, reveals meanings, and promotes values.

As far as 'fiction' goes,...prove the fantastic stories, miracles and other extraordinary events described in the Bible (all versions or canons) are NOT products of 'religious fiction', 'embellishment' and 'literary devices' employed by the writers for their own 'religious' agendas. Furthermore prove that 'God' himself is the author of every single word in the Bible, and it can be wholly trusted as perfect and infallible as if written by 'God' himself. Good luck there,..impossible,...since all language is symbolic and any pure light or truth coming thru imperfect human vessels is subject to some measure of distortion, mistranslation, misinterpretation.

In conclusion, the ub is really very poor fiction - not worthy of comparison with the Holy Bible - God's Word

The same could be said about portions of the Bible,.....while there is no proof that many of the things written there even took place, while its more probable that such writings contain the thoughts, ideas, concepts and opinons of the writers further coloured by the religious agendas and opinions of the minds guiding the production of such writings (only later deemed by religionists as 'scripture').

One could assume as much for the UB too, but that will be up to intelligent minds who are familiar with both works to do their own evaluation of what is to be more or less 'true' or 'erroneous' in principle, or what is probably a true historical event, or just mere 'mythology' (in some cases it really doesn't matter beyond what could be proved, while the 'story' serves its purpose as an 'illustration'.)

At the heart of any religious writing, its the principle, ethic, meaning and value of the concepts being shared that matter and have eternal import, regardless of how these ideas/ideals are being shared thru events, illustrations, parables or myths. - these are all merely 'means' of 'communication'.




pj

 

[freelight]

Belief in the inerrancy, infallibility or perfection of any book is 'unnecessary'

Belief in the inerrancy, infallibility or perfection of any book is 'unnecessary'

God doesn't call someone to write His Word who would write a single word down that He didn't dictate. His Word is Perfect.

Which 'God' are your referring to, and what evidence do you have that every word in the Bible, written by men (mind you), has somehow been 'dictacted' (every single word) by 'God' and is somehow by this 'assumption'.....perfect?

That's a mighty tall order, and I don't see such as a 'necessary' belief, OR even as a 'necessity'....since 'God' can still inspire/illumine souls with thoughts, insights and revelation while these souls explain/describe them in their own way, colouring some of these transmissions with their own conceptual overlays, conditioning the 'translation' to certain degrees. Some light, wisdom, truth may indeed shine thru,...but with it comes some preconceptions, shadows and imperfect reflections.



pj

 

[journey]

The ub is the basis for a UFO cult - fact as far as I'm concerned. Why did the ub folks steal so much from the Holy Bible if the Holy Bible isn't to be trusted?

 

[freelight]

The Bible,....a collection of religious writings by men.....

The Bible,....a collection of religious writings by men.....

The ub is the basis for a UFO cult - fact as far as I'm concerned. Why did the ub folks steal so much from the Holy Bible if the Holy Bible isn't to be trusted?

We've shared info. concerning this previously by Dr. Meredith Sprunger -

> An Introduction to The Urantia Book for Conservative Christians

> Urantia Book Differences From
Traditional Christian Beliefs

From the OP and all our dialogues,...apparently you're not learning much. If you'd like to learn, apply yourself to understanding. You have a choice in the matter.

Also,...nowhere does the UB say the entire Bible is not to be trusted, for it acknowledges and respects the religious truths, concept and ideals passed down thru religious writings,...but such writings have been influenced by men down thru the ages, therefore are not altogether perfect or without errors. Perhaps you may want to refresh your memory with Jesus dialogue with Nathaniel on this, shared earlier here. Its pretty clear.



pj

 

[journey]

The author of the ub was probably in a drug-induced stupor at the time of the writing. That would explain all of the weird stuff in the ub that's almost impossible to believe. Yes, it's UFO cult baloney.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The author of the ub was probably in a drug-induced stupor at the time of the writing. That would explain all of the weird stuff in the ub that's almost impossible to believe. Yes, it's UFO cult baloney.

Could be.

 

[Caino]

This is a fantastic reference chart that lays out the entire organizational structure of the Kingdom of Heaven in the universe of Nebadon. Move your arrow over each name for definitions and direct links to the revelation about each:



http://www.nebadon.info/

 

[Caino]

140:8.5 "Jesus never ceased to warn his disciples against the evil practice of retaliation; he made no allowance for revenge, the idea of getting even. He deplored the holding of grudges. He disallowed the idea of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. He discountenanced the whole concept of private and personal revenge, assigning these matters to civil government, on the one hand, and to the judgment of God, on the other. He made it clear to the three that his teachings applied to the individual, not the state. He summarized his instructions up to that time regarding these matters, as:
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140:8.6 Love your enemies — remember the moral claims of human brotherhood
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140:8.7 The futility of evil: A wrong is not righted by vengeance. Do not make the mistake of fighting evil with its own weapons
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140:8.8 Have faith — confidence in the eventual triumph of divine justice and eternal goodness."UB

 

[Aimiel]

Which 'God' are your referring to...

There is only ONE God. All others are imaginary.

...and what evidence do you have that every word in the Bible, written by men (mind you), has somehow been 'dictacted' (every single word) by 'God' and is somehow by this 'assumption'.....perfect?

I've seen it in action. God doesn't make mistakes and He doesn't allow His prophets to do so, either.

That's a mighty tall order, and I don't see such as a 'necessary' belief, OR even as a 'necessity'....since 'God' can still inspire/illumine souls with thoughts, insights and revelation while these souls explain/describe them in their own way, colouring some of these transmissions with their own conceptual overlays, conditioning the 'translation' to certain degrees.

When God gives a prophetic utterance, He doesn't mince words or allow interpretation or re-wording. He gives the words exactly as He means to. There is no mistake.

Some light, wisdom, truth may indeed shine thru,...but with it comes some preconceptions, shadows and imperfect reflections.

That would be the work of a devil, such as the Urantia nonsense.

 

[Aimiel]

Sorry Aimiel, although I like you, this is simply not correct. Of course Satan knew of Jesus' sacrifice.

No, he didn't.

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

:duh:

He had no choice but to try to stop Jesus.

There's always a choice. If there weren't, there would be no punishment for sin.

Why do you think Moses raised up a serpent on the pole?

Um... because God commanded him to?!?

Why did Satan come to tempt Jesus?

Because he wants every man to fail. He wanted Christ to kill Himself.

You assume that there never has been a prior world, and you assume that the new world God will create, will not be like this one.... Even if Satan hadn't been through this on prior worlds Jesus outright told his apostles what He was going to do, so then Satan would have known.

Sorry, but I don't have a Book of Mormon and am not going to read one for the same reason I won't read the UB: it's not from above.

Michael is Adam, the ancient of days spoken of in Daniel. Angels are not some specially created being that never come to earth - they are messengers. That is what malak and angelos mean - messenger. Angels are simply the spirits of men chosen to act as messengers. Kinda like Hebrews were elohim.

You are really mixed up in the head. Angels are spirit beings, whether you understand such or not. Apparently you have read way too many fairy tales and not enough Scripture.

 

[RevTestament]

No, he didn't.

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Satan is not a "prince of this world" nor was he created in the creation as you assume. When Jesus said the "prince of this world" cometh, He was not speaking of Satan, who was already there. He was speaking of the prince of prophecy who would rule over the kings of the earth.

:duh:There's always a choice. If there weren't, there would be no punishment for sin.

Satan had no choice but to try to stop Jesus within his arsenal of tactics. Satan won't choose the right, or he would cease to be Satan, so within his arsenal of attacks, since Jesus had rejected his temptings, his only choice was to try to stop Jesus. As you indicated he failed in his temptations to Jesus. So his only other choice was to be powerless.... But he wanted to stop God's plan.
So again, you assert Satan didn't know, but Jesus told Peter:
Matt 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Satan knew the plan friend. If not, Jesus Himself told him.

Um... because God commanded him to?!?

Um...why? because Jesus was the Serpent up on the pole?
Numbers 21:9
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Does looking upon the pole represent overcoming the fear of death and satan or something else? It represents overcoming the ultimate weapon of Satan - his last ditch effort to stop Jesus. But if we look upon evil and overcome it, we live, even as they lived, but if not then the bite of the serpent kills us spiritually. It is Satan's weapon. So yeah, Satan knew about it - it was his last chance to stop Jesus. But Jesus overcame it, overcame death, fear and Satan.
This goes back to Genesis and why the serpent lied to Eve about not dying. Fear of death was to be his ultimate weapon and power over man.

Because he wants every man to fail. He wanted Christ to kill Himself.

It doesn't seem he expected Christ to die that way:
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Sorry, but I don't have a Book of Mormon and am not going to read one for the same reason I won't read the UB: it's not from above.You are really mixed up in the head. Angels are spirit beings, whether you understand such or not. Apparently you have read way too many fairy tales and not enough Scripture.

Where does the Bible indicate angels are not men? In fact Daniel refers to Gabriel as the man Gabriel, and you have indicated that the Bible is perfect and God breathed. Therefore, Gabriel is a form of a man. Where does the Bible say angels are "spirit beings" or is that just your interpolation? Doesn't the Bible refer men as spirits and our Father as the Father of spirits?
Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

We are spirit beings like Heavenly Father, which is why He wants us to pray to Him in spirit - how blind Orthodoxy is.

 

[Aimiel]

Satan is not a "prince of this world" nor was he created in the creation as you assume.
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It is not assumption. It's obvious from Scripture and sound doctrine.

When Jesus said the "prince of this world" cometh, He was not speaking of Satan, who was already there.
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Yes, He was.

He was speaking of the prince of prophecy who would rule over the kings of the earth.
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He will be Satan, incarnate.

Satan had no choice but to try to stop Jesus within his arsenal of tactics..

There's always a choice... otherwise sin wouldn't exist. Your understanding is darkened.

Satan won't choose the right, or he would cease to be Satan, so within his arsenal of attacks, since Jesus had rejected his temptings, his only choice was to try to stop Jesus.
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Illogical.

As you indicated he failed in his temptations to Jesus. So his only other choice was to be powerless.... But he wanted to stop God's plan.
So again, you assert Satan didn't know, but Jesus told Peter:
Matt 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
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Are you giving Satan omniscient powers?

Satan knew the plan friend. If not, Jesus Himself told him.
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Jesus did no such thing.

Um...why? because Jesus was the Serpent up on the pole?.

It was symbols but not obvious to anyone.