Keep trying Zeke, maybe someday (by accident of course) you'll
post something of value? I somehow doubt it though! I just don't
think you're capable! Know what I mean? Probably not!
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Keep trying Zeke, maybe someday (by accident of course) you'll
post something of value? I somehow doubt it though! I just don't
think you're capable! Know what I mean? Probably not!
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The paper's account.......
The paper's account.......
That's a matter of assumption, tradition, belief.
That's a matter of interpretation.
Already covered here. Jesus appeared in his morontial form....not his same physical body.
Jesus flesh did not undergo the natural process of corruption or decay since his body was supernaturally disintegrated. Therefore your claim above doesn't hold. For a good exegesis on the particular passage of Psalm 16:8-11 go here.
Again, we come to the popular belief of an actual 'physical' resurrection of Jesus which cannot be proved, just as much as a 'morontial' or 'spiritual' resurrection perhaps cannot be proved, yet the latter accounts more probable granted that a morontial body has a quality that could become more materialized if a situation demanded such. His appearances after his physical body underwent transformation were vital in the proclaiming of the truth of the kingdom...the promise of eternal life...verifying his word.
Paper 189 - The Resurrection
Paper 190 - Morontia Appearances of Jesus
pj
The paper's account.......
That's a matter of assumption, tradition, belief.
That's a matter of interpretation.
Already covered here. Jesus appeared in his morontial form....not his same physical body.
Jesus flesh did not undergo the natural process of corruption or decay since his body was supernaturally disintegrated. Therefore your claim above doesn't hold. For a good exegesis on the particular passage of Psalm 16:8-11 go here.
Again, we come to the popular belief of an actual 'physical' resurrection of Jesus which cannot be proved, just as much as a 'morontial' or 'spiritual' resurrection perhaps cannot be proved, yet the latter accounts more probable granted that a morontial body has a quality that could become more materialized if a situation demanded such. His appearances after his physical body underwent transformation were vital in the proclaiming of the truth of the kingdom...the promise of eternal life...verifying his word.
Paper 189 - The Resurrection
Paper 190 - Morontia Appearances of Jesus
pj
Paper 191 -Urantia Book is "phony baloney" Please don't read!
PneumaPsucheSoma
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The "subject" includes evaluating and determining the veracity of the topic and its purveyors. I've been right on topic according to the rules all along.
I'm not just randomly spewing ad hominem. The criticisms are valid. The Urantia Papers wouldn't stand up to a historical scrutiny of any canonization tenets.
It didn't even exist until quite recently in history, and it has to be taken for context before semantics, in typical high-context language fashion.
What you don't realize is that because of its content in high-context format and the fact that it's originally penned in English as a high-context language, there's no semantical integrity to the entirety of the writings.
You don't and can't know what that means, but it's a scrutiny beyond anything you've considered because your entire thought and speech processes are high-context in every way. You can't recognize it.
I could spend days delineating all the high-context problems with just the first 12 Papers I've read and the other parts I've skimmed.
There's a hollowness because they are purely from a modern high-context perspective that wouldn't even represent a higher and greater intelligence, etc.
You can't do that type of examination or engage in that level of scrutiny. So it isn't all about content when looking at such writings. There's much more to it, and you're ignorant of all that in your alleged "enlightenment".
It's very obvious the Urantia Papers/Book has never been from a low-context perspective, and that resigns it to virtual nothingness without ever looking at much content.
Again, you don't even know what I'm referring to. But it's why you so readily accept the UB and other writings, etc.
There's a foundation of scrutiny far beyond what you are capable of, and that's looking at fundamental linguistics without considering content or subject matter.
All you can focus on is subject matter. That's the problem. You can only access the surface without examining the foundation.
EVERYTHING I've said is precisely "on-topic", including my previous railing against all the garbage you include in your shallow belief system.
You desperately need some low-context functionality. More than anyone I've met or encountered.
Ego and eccentricity. That's all you've got, and it's nothing, really.
Sad.
Sigh.
Glad to see that, nuisance; Caino, out of the picture for awhile!!
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
This is quite funny and shows your ignorance.
His physical body could not have been transformed if it was disintegrated.
You cant have it both ways.
Can you say swing an a miss?
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1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
LOL, Absolutely.
To put it simply, we allz talks differnt deez days, Cleetus. CleverDan:BillyBob:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Last 10 Papers from the Crucifixion on.....
Last 10 Papers from the Crucifixion on.....
Semantics. My use of different terms do not reflect ignorance but versatility. The physical body underwent a 'transformation'...meaning it's form changed by dissolution/disintegration....just like all matterial bodies do. Death is a kind of 'transformation'. The spirit-soul of the individual arises from the vesture of that body in its morontia form which is itself a kind of resurrection. You need to read the papers in detail to understand this better.
Following the last 2 papers shared....continuing from Paper 191- 196 are the very last 5 papers of Urantia Revelation....so these are very important as they document the events of the death, burial, resurrection, ascension of Jesus.....The outpouring of the Spirit of truth and the early development and progress of Christianity, especially noting how the gospel-message changed in emphasis from the religion of Jesus (God being the Father of all souls and they being children of God, accepting/receiving the kingdom and eternal life by a living faith ) to being a religion about Jesus. The last Paper 196 is on ' The faith of Jesus'. It is therefore the apex of the entire revelation. It describes the true essence of religion and what the life and faith of Jesus means for us as the perfect example.
It is essential reading to those interested in genuine discussion...as well as the first 12 and other papers pertaining to religion are, but a final summary on Jesus is most significant. The above links are to the online study edition which have audio-reading as well. I sometimes like to both visually read and listen to a voice reading.
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Concerning the transformation and resurrection of Jesus body, I may share other sources that agree with the Urantia record at least in the supernatural dissolution process and his resurrection-body being more or less 'spiritual'. The uniqueness of the papers is the teaching on the morontia existence being that stage and density in between the material and purely spiritual. This go-between realm may fill some missing gaps.
In-joy
pj
Last 10 Papers from the Crucifixion on.....
Semantics. My use of different terms do not reflect ignorance but versatility. The physical body underwent a 'transformation'...meaning it's form changed by dissolution/disintegration....just like all matterial bodies do. Death is a kind of 'transformation'. The spirit-soul of the individual arises from the vesture of that body in its morontia form which is itself a kind of resurrection. You need to read the papers in detail to understand this better.
Following the last 2 papers shared....continuing from Paper 191- 196 are the very last 5 papers of Urantia Revelation....so these are very important as they document the events of the death, burial, resurrection, ascension of Jesus.....The outpouring of the Spirit of truth and the early development and progress of Christianity, especially noting how the gospel-message changed in emphasis from the religion of Jesus (God being the Father of all souls and they being children of God, accepting/receiving the kingdom and eternal life by a living faith ) to being a religion about Jesus. The last Paper 196 is on ' The faith of Jesus'. It is therefore the apex of the entire revelation. It describes the true essence of religion and what the life and faith of Jesus means for us as the perfect example.
It is essential reading to those interested in genuine discussion...as well as the first 12 and other papers pertaining to religion are, but a final summary on Jesus is most significant. The above links are to the online study edition which have audio-reading as well. I sometimes like to both visually read and listen to a voice reading.
~*~*~
Concerning the transformation and resurrection of Jesus body, I may share other sources that agree with the Urantia record at least in the supernatural dissolution process and his resurrection-body being more or less 'spiritual'. The uniqueness of the papers is the teaching on the morontia existence being that stage and density in between the material and purely spiritual. This go-between realm may fill some missing gaps.
In-joy
pj
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Semantics. My use of different terms do not reflect ignorance but versatility. The physical body underwent a 'transformation'...meaning it's form changed by dissolution/disintegration....just like all matterial bodies do. Death is a kind of 'transformation'. The spirit-soul of the individual arises from the vesture of that body in its morontia form which is itself a kind of resurrection. You need to read the papers in detail to understand this better.
Following the last 2 papers shared....continuing from Paper 191- 196 are the very last 5 papers of Urantia Revelation....so these are very important as they document the events of the death, burial, resurrection, ascension of Jesus.....The outpouring of the Spirit of truth and the early development and progress of Christianity, especially noting how the gospel-message changed in emphasis from the religion of Jesus (God being the Father of all souls and they being children of God, accepting/receiving the kingdom and eternal life by a living faith ) to being a religion about Jesus. The last Paper 196 is on ' The faith of Jesus'. It is therefore the apex of the entire revelation. It describes the true essence of religion and what the life and faith of Jesus means for us as the perfect example.
It is essential reading to those interested in genuine discussion...as well as the first 12 and other papers pertaining to religion are, but a final summary on Jesus is most significant. The above links are to the online study edition which have audio-reading as well. I sometimes like to both visually read and listen to a voice reading.
~*~*~
Concerning the transformation and resurrection of Jesus body, I may share other sources that agree with the Urantia record at least in the supernatural dissolution process and his resurrection-body being more or less 'spiritual'. The uniqueness of the papers is the teaching on the morontia existence being that stage and density in between the material and purely spiritual. This go-between realm may fill some missing gaps.
In-joy
pj
Semantics instead of reality.
You really do have it bad.
I must concur with Pneuma and Michael.
Zeke
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But considering the flimsy veracity of the manifestation, and shallow proof concerning the historical Biblical scripture your point is not really valid. A Roman myth you wouldn't claim attachment to but that is the tainted well you drink from.
The plagiarized factor concerning your blood ritual is rampant for those with any objective ability to explore the ancient links to the story of Jesus, the extroverted nonsense you push as fact is weighed and found wanting.
The educated ego is the hardest to crack.
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
I'm not educated. It's not ego. That's your ego projecting from your REM sleep state of descent.
Nice try, though, Captain Comatose.
Here.... Let me put out some straws for you to grasp at.:crackup:
Looks like those two 'Urantian twinsters,' Freelight, and
Zeke are holding up the fort while the third oddster,
Caino is on a well deserved vacation away from us
Earthlings!
Zeke are holding up the fort while the third oddster,
Caino is on a well deserved vacation away from us
Earthlings!
Zeke
Well-known member
I'm not educated. It's not ego. That's your ego projecting from your REM sleep state of descent.
Nice try, though, Captain Comatose.
Here.... Let me put out some straws for you to grasp at.:crackup:
Well the condition you suffer from isn't a river in Egypt, sleep? you still haven't even woke up yet so stop pretending you have , that's a region you haven't experienced yet. Looks like you have a lot of sleep over friends talking in their sleep as well.
Zeke
Well-known member
Still playing mental gymnastics on the side line of life.
The Urantia Book
Paper 194
Bestowal of the Spirit of Truth
Paper 194
Bestowal of the Spirit of Truth
(2059.1) 194:0.1 ABOUT one o’clock, as the one hundred and twenty believers were engaged in prayer, they all became aware of a strange presence in the room. At the same time these disciples all became conscious of a new and profound sense of spiritual joy, security, and confidence. This new consciousness of spiritual strength was immediately followed by a strong urge to go out and publicly proclaim the gospel of the kingdom and the good news that Jesus had risen from the dead.
(2059.2) 194:0.2 Peter stood up and declared that this must be the coming of the Spirit of Truth which the Master had promised them and proposed that they go to the temple and begin the proclamation of the good news committed to their hands. And they did just what Peter suggested.
(2059.3) 194:0.3 These men had been trained and instructed that the gospel which they should preach was the fatherhood of God and the sonship of man, but at just this moment of spiritual ecstasy and personal triumph, the best tidings, the greatest news, these men could think of was the fact of the risen Master. And so they went forth, endowed with power from on high, preaching glad tidings to the people — even salvation through Jesus — but they unintentionally stumbled into the error of substituting some of the facts associated with the gospel for the gospel message itself. Peter unwittingly led off in this mistake, and others followed after him on down to Paul, who created a new religion out of the new version of the good news.
(2059.4) 194:0.4 The gospel of the kingdom is: the fact of the fatherhood of God, coupled with the resultant truth of the sonship-brotherhood of men. Christianity, as it developed from that day, is: the fact of God as the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, in association with the experience of believer-fellowship with the risen and glorified Christ.
(2059.5) 194:0.5 It is not strange that these spirit-infused men should have seized upon this opportunity to express their feelings of triumph over the forces which had sought to destroy their Master and end the influence of his teachings. At such a time as this it was easier to remember their personal association with Jesus and to be thrilled with the assurance that the Master still lived, that their friendship had not ended, and that the spirit had indeed come upon them even as he had promised.
(2059.6) 194:0.6 These believers felt themselves suddenly translated into another world, a new existence of joy, power, and glory. The Master had told them the kingdom would come with power, and some of them thought they were beginning to discern what he meant.
(2059.7) 194:0.7 And when all of this is taken into consideration, it is not difficult to understand how these men came to preach a new gospel about Jesus in the place of their former message of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of men.
(2061.2) 194:2.4 Do not make the mistake of expecting to become strongly intellectually conscious of the outpoured Spirit of Truth. The spirit never creates a consciousness of himself, only a consciousness of Michael, the Son. From the beginning Jesus taught that the spirit would not speak of himself. The proof, therefore, of your fellowship with the Spirit of Truth is not to be found in your consciousness of this spirit but rather in your experience of enhanced fellowship with Michael.
At least ZEKE is gone for awhile!
(34.3) 2:1.4 The Father constantly and unfailingly meets the need of the differential of demand for himself as it changes from time to time in various sections of his master universe. The great God knows and understands himself; he is infinitely self-conscious of all his primal attributes of perfection. God is not a cosmic accident; neither is he a universe experimenter. The Universe Sovereigns may engage in adventure; the Constellation Fathers may experiment; the system heads may practice; but the Universal Father sees the end from the beginning, and his divine plan and eternal purpose actually embrace and comprehend all the experiments and all the adventures of all his subordinates in every world, system, and constellation in every universe of his vast domains.
More UB garbage? UFOs and all?
freelight
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