The Fulfillment and Abolishment of the Law

[Robert Pate]

If the law has been fulfilled and abolished then that should be the end of religion and justification by works or obedience to the law. The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus fulfilled the law and then abolished it.

THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW ON OUR BEHALF

"Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17,18.

Jesus is God's law incarnate in human flesh. One might say that Jesus is the epitome of the law, Romans 3:21. God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to his holy law.
2. A perfect atonement for his sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus has victoriously met all of the requirements for the salvation of fallen man, Colossians 2:15. This is why Paul wrote,

"For you are complete in him (Jesus) which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10.

"that I might be found in him, not having my own righteousness that is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith" Philippians 3:9.

The believers righteousness is not in himself or by the law. The believers righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God. Trying to become righteous by the law will lead to ones judgment and condemnation, Galatians 3:10.

THE ABOLISHMENT OF THE LAW ON OUR BEHALF

The law has been abolished, but only for those that are "In Christ". Those that are not in Christ will be judged by the law and condemned. Where there is law there is judgment and condemnation. This is why Paul wrote,

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them that which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh (law or religion) but after the Spirit (Gospel)" Romans 8:1.

The reason that there is no condemnation is because there is no law that can condemn. It has been abolished.

"Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances: for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace" Ephesians 2:15.

Where there is law there is enmity because there is judgment and condemnation. God must judge sin where he finds it. The only way to escape judgment and condemnation is to be "In Christ". In the judgment the only thing that is going to pass is the righteousness of Christ.

Christians are not called to live according to laws and rules. A good son does not need laws or rules to please his father. He knows what is right and what is wrong and lives accordingly. He does not want to disappoint his father so he does not sin against him. He always does those things that pleases him.

Paul said that the righteous man does not need the law. That the law is for sinners, ungodly, unholy, profane, murders, homosexuals, whoremongers, thieves, perjured persons. If you are one of the above, the law is for you, 1 Timothy 1:8-10.

 

[Hawkins]

Set aside is a better term in Eph 2:15 as the "abolish" is said in the perspective that those under the New Covenant no long subject to the judgment of law. The Law is not truly abolished, the law is still in place for those under the older covenant to subject them to the corresponding judgment. The the law is truly abolished, then no one can sin Christian and non-Christian alike. No one can sin when law is abolished because,

1 John 3:4 (NIV2011)
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


Christian can also sin. God no longer views us that way though. But in terms of law we are still sinners. It thus simultaneously says that the law is still there.

"Christians are all sinless" is not a sound doctrine. It is in fact a false doctrine to lead you to believe that repentance is no longer required. If law is abolished even for Christian only, then it says that Christians can't sin and thus repentance is not required. The 2 most crucial elements of the New Covenant are faith and repentance. If you run short of repentance, then you actually violated the New Covenant. That's how dangerous this false doctrine is.

 

[jamie]

"Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17,18.

Yes, God made the law full (fulfilled) by exalting it.

"The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake, He will exalt the law and make it honorable." (Isaiah 42:21)

 

[jamie]

That the law is for sinners.

Who is being judged?

It's not sinners, they haven't died.

 

[jamie]

A good son does not need laws or rules to please his father.

How many good sons have there been?

"Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus said to keep the commandments, which commandments?

 

[Robert Pate]

Set aside is a better term in Eph 2:15 as the "abolish" is said in the perspective that those under the New Covenant no long subject to the judgment of law. The Law is not truly abolished, the law is still in place for those under the older covenant to subject them to the corresponding judgment. The the law is truly abolished, then no one can sin Christian and non-Christian alike. No one can sin when law is abolished because,

1 John 3:4 (NIV2011)
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


Christian can also sin. God no longer views us that way though. But in terms of law we are still sinners. It thus simultaneously says that the law is still there.

"Christians are all sinless" is not a sound doctrine. It is in fact a false doctrine to lead you to believe that repentance is no longer required. If law is abolished even for Christian only, then it says that Christians can't sin and thus repentance is not required. The 2 most crucial elements of the New Covenant are faith and repentance. If you run short of repentance, then you actually violated the New Covenant. That's how dangerous this false doctrine is.

All that have come to Christ as repentant sinners are sealed with the Holy Spirit and are "In Christ".

They are COMPLETE "IN CHRIST", Colossians 2:10. They are no longer under the law because the law condemns.

In this life, the life of flesh, we are sinners, saved sinners. Paul confessed that he was "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. The law is still there for unbelievers, but not for Christians.

Faith and repentance is something that we do, it will mot merit salvation. It is a work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer and has no merit. You are in violation of much more than the New Covenant.

 

[Robert Pate]

How many good sons have there been?

"Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus said to keep the commandments, which commandments?

If you fail in one point of the law, you have failed the whole thing, James 2:10.

 

[jamie]

If you fail in one point of the law, you have failed the whole thing, James 2:10.

How many persons have not failed in one or more points of the law?

 

[Robert Pate]

How many persons have not failed in one or more points of the law?

All have failed, Romans 3:10.

 

[glorydaz]

Set aside is a better term in Eph 2:15 as the "abolish" is said in the perspective that those under the New Covenant no long subject to the judgment of law. The Law is not truly abolished, the law is still in place for those under the older covenant to subject them to the corresponding judgment. The the law is truly abolished, then no one can sin Christian and non-Christian alike. No one can sin when law is abolished because,

1 John 3:4 (NIV2011)
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


Christian can also sin. God no longer views us that way though. But in terms of law we are still sinners. It thus simultaneously says that the law is still there.

Then you don't believe what Paul wrote here...

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.​

Or here.....

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.​

"Christians are all sinless" is not a sound doctrine. It is in fact a false doctrine to lead you to believe that repentance is no longer required. If law is abolished even for Christian only, then it says that Christians can't sin and thus repentance is not required. The 2 most crucial elements of the New Covenant are faith and repentance. If you run short of repentance, then you actually violated the New Covenant. That's how dangerous this false doctrine is.

Where do you see "repentance" in the Gospel of Grace?

"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

Saved by Grace through faith, and that not of yourselves.... You claim repentance is "required". Do you define repentance correctly....as a change of mind? If so, then that is belief.

 

[daqq]

Then you don't believe what Paul wrote here...

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.​

Well then I guess that means the things concerning your version of Messiah are ended:

Luke 22:37 KJV
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

It would be wise to find out what that Greek word for "end", (τελος), actually means according to its usage in the scripture instead of reading and believing the biased translations of men. Time is awaisting. As a matter of fact Messiah says, "I am the Arche and the Telos", (Rev 22:13).

 

[glorydaz]

Well then I guess that means the things concerning your version of Messiah are ended:

Luke 22:37 KJV
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

It would be wise to find out what that Greek word for "end", (τελος), actually means according to its usage in the scripture instead of reading and believing the biased translations of men. Time is awaisting. As a matter of fact Messiah says, "I am the Arche and the Telos", (Rev 22:13).

Nonsense, it only means the purpose of the law was accomplished for all those who believe.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.​

 

[daqq]

Nonsense, it only means the purpose of the law was accomplished for all those who believe.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.​

The confession of faith which Paul often speaks of is not when you think it is: no one but the Father knows the day or the hour, and you do not get to pick and choose the day wherein Elohim will "save you" just because you decided that was when you would "give your life to God", for it is the time appointed when a child becomes a son, (of the kingdom), and it is the time appointed of the Father as Paul teaches in the same passage, (Gal 4:1-2). If you have never been "under the law" you cannot be brought out from "under the law" because you have not been there to begin with. How therefore is the Torah your "schoolmaster" to bring you to Messiah? Messiah is the goal or point aimed at in, by, and through the Torah, (and that Greek word is τελος, the goal or point aimed at, it is not speaking of "abolishing" or putting an end to the Torah). You may understand that the law will put you to death but you misunderstand in thinking that to be a bad thing: no, it is a good thing, for it is better for you to die now rather than wait until your carcass dies and you die along with your carcass in your sins. When Paul says "our" and "we" in Gal 3:24 he is not by default including *you*.

Galatians 1:1-2 ASV
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

All the brethren go under the law and are brought through that immersion of death, crucified with Messiah, (also an immersion of death), and raised up in Messiah. The very scripture passage you have quoted refutes your position because if you have never been "under the law" you have not been under its "school-mastership" and the "tutors of governors" which Paul also mentions in Gal 4:2, which are Prophets and Writings, (the Psalms are primarily written by kings and priests of Israel). Paul says the Torah brings you to Messiah in the very passage you quoted but it appears you think that the Torah is done away with for you just because you prayed a sinners prayer and call it having faith. Do you not know that there comes a day and hour of trial and testing? The time when a child becomes a son of the kingdom? For father Abraham this was well over twenty years after his belief was accounted to him as righteousness.

James 2:21-24 ASV
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Thou seest that faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect;
23 and the scripture was fulfilled which saith, And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness; and he was called the friend of God.
24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.

"And the scripture was fulfilled" means that even though Abraham believed Elohim and it was accounted unto him as righteousness, in Gen 15:6, still yet what was "put to his account" had to be tested and proven at a later date: and that was many years later, in Gen 22, and in fact that is what Gen 22:1 says, Elohim proved-tested him. The moment you believed, or even the time when you first prayed "the sinners prayer", (or whatever your circumstances were when you first believed), that is only the beginning of your walk; where and when you received the earnest of the Spirit, (like a down-payment). You do not receive the Promise or the inheritance until you become a son of the kingdom, (Gal 4:2), at the time appointed of the Father: a day and hour which no one but the Father knows.

 

[marhig]

The confession of faith which Paul often speaks of is not when you think it is: no one but the Father knows the day or the hour, and you do not get to pick and choose the day wherein Elohim will "save you" just because you decided that was when you would "give your life to God", for it is the time appointed when a child becomes a son, (of the kingdom), and it is the time appointed of the Father as Paul teaches in the same passage, (Gal 4:1-2). If you have never been "under the law" you cannot be brought out from "under the law" because you have not been there to begin with. How therefore is the Torah your "schoolmaster" to bring you to Messiah? Messiah is the goal or point aimed at in, by, and through the Torah, (and that Greek word is τελος, the goal or point aimed at, it is not speaking of "abolishing" or putting an end to the Torah). You may understand that the law will put you to death but you misunderstand in thinking that to be a bad thing: no, it is a good thing, for it is better for you to die now rather than wait until your carcass dies and you die along with your carcass in your sins. When Paul says "our" and "we" in Gal 3:24 he is not by default including *you*.

Galatians 1:1-2 ASV
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

All the brethren go under the law and are brought through that immersion of death, crucified with Messiah, (also an immersion of death), and raised up in Messiah. The very scripture passage you have quoted refutes your position because if you have never been "under the law" you have not been under its "school-mastership" and the "tutors of governors" which Paul also mentions in Gal 4:2, which are Prophets and Writings, (the Psalms are primarily written by kings and priests of Israel). Paul says the Torah brings you to Messiah in the very passage you quoted but it appears you think that the Torah is done away with for you just because you prayed a sinners prayer and call it having faith. Do you not know that there comes a day and hour of trial and testing? The time when a child becomes a son of the kingdom? For father Abraham this was well over twenty years after his belief was accounted to him as righteousness.

James 2:21-24 ASV
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Thou seest that faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect;
23 and the scripture was fulfilled which saith, And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness; and he was called the friend of God.
24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.

"And the scripture was fulfilled" means that even though Abraham believed Elohim and it was accounted unto him as righteousness, in Gen 15:6, still yet what was "put to his account" had to be tested and proven at a later date: and that was many years later, in Gen 22, and in fact that is what Gen 22:1 says, Elohim proved-tested him. The moment you believed, or even the time when you first prayed "the sinners prayer", (or whatever your circumstances were when you first believed), that is only the beginning of your walk; where and when you received the earnest of the Spirit, (like a down-payment). You do not receive the Promise or the inheritance until you become a son of the kingdom, (Gal 4:2), at the time appointed of the Father: a day and hour which no one but the Father knows.

I totally agree with that daqq. The law puts us to death, but it can't bring us life, we are brought to life through Christ, by the Spirit at a time when the father decides we are ready. We are not just born anew by saying "I believe" we are born anew when the father blesses us with the Holy Spirit after we start to try to live by his will. And you know those who are born of God because they will be turning from the world and their heart will be more like Christ, and they will be producing the fruit of the Spirit in whom they walk.

 

[Robert Pate]

The confession of faith which Paul often speaks of is not when you think it is: no one but the Father knows the day or the hour, and you do not get to pick and choose the day wherein Elohim will "save you" just because you decided that was when you would "give your life to God", for it is the time appointed when a child becomes a son, (of the kingdom), and it is the time appointed of the Father as Paul teaches in the same passage, (Gal 4:1-2). If you have never been "under the law" you cannot be brought out from "under the law" because you have not been there to begin with. How therefore is the Torah your "schoolmaster" to bring you to Messiah? Messiah is the goal or point aimed at in, by, and through the Torah, (and that Greek word is τελος, the goal or point aimed at, it is not speaking of "abolishing" or putting an end to the Torah). You may understand that the law will put you to death but you misunderstand in thinking that to be a bad thing: no, it is a good thing, for it is better for you to die now rather than wait until your carcass dies and you die along with your carcass in your sins. When Paul says "our" and "we" in Gal 3:24 he is not by default including *you*.

Galatians 1:1-2 ASV
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

All the brethren go under the law and are brought through that immersion of death, crucified with Messiah, (also an immersion of death), and raised up in Messiah. The very scripture passage you have quoted refutes your position because if you have never been "under the law" you have not been under its "school-mastership" and the "tutors of governors" which Paul also mentions in Gal 4:2, which are Prophets and Writings, (the Psalms are primarily written by kings and priests of Israel). Paul says the Torah brings you to Messiah in the very passage you quoted but it appears you think that the Torah is done away with for you just because you prayed a sinners prayer and call it having faith. Do you not know that there comes a day and hour of trial and testing? The time when a child becomes a son of the kingdom? For father Abraham this was well over twenty years after his belief was accounted to him as righteousness.

James 2:21-24 ASV
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Thou seest that faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect;
23 and the scripture was fulfilled which saith, And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness; and he was called the friend of God.
24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.

"And the scripture was fulfilled" means that even though Abraham believed Elohim and it was accounted unto him as righteousness, in Gen 15:6, still yet what was "put to his account" had to be tested and proven at a later date: and that was many years later, in Gen 22, and in fact that is what Gen 22:1 says, Elohim proved-tested him. The moment you believed, or even the time when you first prayed "the sinners prayer", (or whatever your circumstances were when you first believed), that is only the beginning of your walk; where and when you received the earnest of the Spirit, (like a down-payment). You do not receive the Promise or the inheritance until you become a son of the kingdom, (Gal 4:2), at the time appointed of the Father: a day and hour which no one but the Father knows.

We become son's of the Kingdom the moment that we profess Christ as our savior and become born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23.

On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were born again by the word of God, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

There was no testing period. We receive all that there is to receive the moment that we profess Christ as our savior.

 

[jamie]

All have failed, Romans 3:10.

I asked, "How many persons have not failed in one or more points of the law?"

So if all have failed what was the point of the law?

Did God not know everyone would fail?

 

[Robert Pate]

I asked, "How many persons have not failed in one or more points of the law?"

So if all have failed what was the point of the law?

Did God not know everyone would fail?

The purpose of the law is to reveal the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man.

God does not want his people to live by laws and rules, this is why, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Romans 1:17. Mainly by faith in Christ and his Gospel.

 

[jamie]

God does not want his people to live by laws and rules

Do you murder?

 

[Robert Pate]

Do you murder?

No, but many do. There are consequences to sin. Christians are not under rules and laws. Rules and laws do not keep people from sinning. A good Son does not need rules or laws. He knows what is required and lives accordingly. He does not want to disappoint his father.

 

[Epoisses]

How many good sons have there been?

"Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus said to keep the commandments, which commandments?

The commandment to love Jamie, did you ever hear of that? If I love someone I'm not going to murder them, duh!