Go read the link, because it's clear that you didn't.
The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II
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Funny how they always choose these distorted videos to prove something- though you can go watch a sunset yourself very easily. Even so- what do you see around 9:40?
No. Let's read it sensibly. :up:
No, Dave, it doesn't.
At this point we're no longer talking about things "at the particle level."
So are you saying that "chance" is evil because (at least according to you) it implies atheism and evolution and 'old universe'?
No, Dave, it doesn't. "Infinity" simply describes "how many." It is simply a mathematical term.
God is infinitely creative. Does that mean there are an infinite number of universes? NO! OF COURSE NOT!
Here's what the Bible says about "chance" Dave. You would do well to learn from it that things do indeed happen "by chance," that "by chance" is acceptable even to people who follow God, and even for those who don't. Even things that happen by chance follow God's physical laws.
And watch: if it goes up the road to its own territory, to Beth Shemesh, then He has done us this great evil. But if not, then we shall know that it is not His hand that struck us—it happened to us by chance.” - 1 Samuel 6:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Samuel6:9&version=NKJV
Then the young man who told him said, “As I happened by chance to be on Mount Gilboa, there was Saul, leaning on his spear; and indeed the chariots and horsemen followed hard after him. - 2 Samuel 1:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Samuel1:6&version=NKJV
Now a certain man drew a bow at random, and struck the king of Israel between the joints of his armor. So he said to the driver of his chariot, “Turn around and take me out of the battle, for I am wounded.” - 1 Kings 22:34 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Kings22:34&version=NKJV
Now a certain man drew a bow at random, and struck the king of Israel between the joints of his armor. So he said to the driver of his chariot, “Turn around and take me out of the battle, for I am wounded.” - 2 Chronicles 18:33 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Chronicles18:33&version=NKJV
Now the leaders of the people dwelt at Jerusalem; the rest of the people cast lots to bring one out of ten to dwell in Jerusalem, the holy city, and nine-tenths were to dwell in other cities. - Nehemiah 11:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Nehemiah11:1&version=NKJV
The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the Lord. - Proverbs 16:33 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs16:33&version=NKJV
And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take. - Mark 15:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark15:24&version=NKJV
Even Jesus taught that things happen by chance.
Then Jesus answered and said: [JESUS]“A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side.But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion.So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him.On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”[/JESUS]And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, [JESUS]“Go and do likewise.”[/JESUS] - Luke 10:30-37 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke10:30-37&version=NKJV
There's nothing inherently wrong with "chance," Dave, and lumping everything that happens 'by chance' in with atheism only brings confusion.
I read the link, doesn't change that from one end to the other means the same thing as from the four corners of the earth.
--Dave
Hey, Dave, have you ever looked at map of the world? Like this one:
How many corners are there?
4
Does the map cover the entire earth?
Yes.
Your argument assumes that "four corners" is literal. I've told you that it is a fact that "four corners" is an idiom, a figure of speech.
You can see exactly what FE is seeing just go buy a Nikon P900.
The distortion is due to the haze or water density of the atmosphere we encounter when we magnify the horizon that far away with a 83 x power photo lens.
The big question for me is, does perspective really determine what we see as FE argues or are we simply seeing the sun become hidden by the earths curvature?
The perspective argument has to hold up for moon and stars as well.
--Dave
I'm not going to argue with you about what atheists say about the universe. This thread is not about does God use chance at times or not. It's a good question but answering it is not what this debate is about.
--Dave
Dave, have you ever watched a sunset? I mean simply by yourself. Not a camera, not a video. Just watched a sunset.
Hey, Dave, have you ever looked at map of the world? Like this one:
How many corners are there?
4 Does the map cover the entire earth?
Yes.
Your argument assumes that "four corners" is literal. I've told you that it is a fact that "four corners" is an idiom, a figure of speech.
I didn't say it was literal I said that it means from one end of a flat earth to the other. See, you had to use a flat map to make your point.
--Dave
You sure as heck behave as if you hadn't.
You are not stupid, Dave, you are deliberately and comfortably ignorant and blind. I know you will very politely complain that I am attacking you. But this is quite mild compared to what you deserve.
Then don't lump things that on their own have nothing to do with either side into the side of the atheists.
You're the one who brought it up, Dave.
Once again, you didn't read what I wrote.
I said your argument assumes that "four corners" is literal.
And it doesn't imply flat earth at all.
Dave, how many corners does a tetrahedron have? 4
Is it flat? NO
Which means that "four corners" doesn't necessarily mean that whatever object you're talking about has to be flat.
So do you, so what's your point?
Seeing the sunset through a 83 x power lens is obviously not the same as seeing just with your eye. Did you watch the video?
--Dave
Did that. You ignored every argument I made.
Actually, it's utter stupidity. If it had anything at all to do with perspective, as I said in my last post, the Sun would simply get smaller and smaller as it passed into the distance. IT DOES NO SUCH THING.
I will not watch your asinine videos, David. I don't care what you think it shows, what it does not show is the Sun shrinking into the distance like EVERY OTHER THING THAT YOU'VE EVER SEEN GET FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU! If the sunset had anything to do with perspective, the apparent diameter of the Sun would shrink into the distance just as rail road tracks do and for the same reason.
No need for photos, videos or any electronic anything. Simply go outside and watch the sunset.
If it shows that, which I doubt, he is a liar and you're a fool to give him one minute of your time.
Want proof?
Go outside and watch the sunset (or sunrise).
This single sentence is all I need to know to understand that its a 1000% INTENTIONAL lie.
Refuted by me in my last post and now again in this post.
I DARE YOU TO DO THIS!
Perspective is easy to graph. An object twice as far away is half the apparent size, something three times as far away is one third the apparent size and so on.
Two objects, one twice a big but twice as far away as the other, will both have the same apparent size.
Get it? Super duper simple. Graph it.
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I brought it up for the reason I stated but not to make it the subject of this debate.
Did you view the video of the sunset?
--Dave
No, because I can go out and see the real thing whenever I want.
Something you should do.
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