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...the brainwashing you have received as a Protestant sectarian anti-Catholic has put you into a state of cognitive dissonance where logic and reason no longer apply. (See how that works?)
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Feel free, then, to disprove it for us.
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It's important to anti-Catholics that they are oh-so-careful to avoid actually reading and understanding what Catholics genuinely believe and teach. HS is a master at it. Here's a picture of this non-approach in non-action:
Of course not, since it is taught nowhere in Scripture itself, and so is directly and unavoidably self-refuting. Sola scriptura is nothing more than a corrupt tradition of men that did not exist in the Church prior to its invention by men during the 16th-century Protestant Rebellion.
The belief that all should submit to the Roman Pontiff
Pope Boniface VIII:
"We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302)
or else. RCC loves kentucky fried humans
I read rcc use to call us heretics but with the ecumentical movement of "unity" we are now called "separated brethren"
The belief that all should submit to the Roman Pontiff
Pope Boniface VIII:
"We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302)
or else. RCC loves kentucky fried humans
so what does francis say?
Johann Joseph Ignaz Von Dollinger, taught*church*history as a Roman Catholic for 47 years in the 19th century, speaking on Matthew 16:18 and theRock*admits no one in the early*church*knew of papal primacy.
"In the first three centuries, St. Irenaeus is the only writer who connects the superiority of the Roman*church*with doctrine; but he places this superiority, rightly understood, only in its antiquity, its double apostolical origin, and in the circumstance of the pure tradition being guarded and maintained there through the constant concourse of the faithful from all countries. Tertullian, Cyprian, Lactantius, know nothing of special papal prerogative, or of nay higher or supreme right of deciding in matter of doctrine. In the writings of the Greek doctors, Eusebius, St. Athanasius, St. Basil the great, the two Gregories, And St. Epiphanius, there is not one word of any prerogatives of the Roman bishop. The most copious of the Greek fathers, St. Chrystostom, is wholly silent on the subject, and so are the two Cyrils; equally silent are the Latins, Hilary, Pacian, Zeno, Lucifer, Sulpicius, and St. Ambrose."
The Popes and The Council, pgs. 70-74 quoted from The Matthew 16 Controversy, Peter and The*Rock, William Webster.
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Yes.... just like Muslims... and Buddhists... etc. etc.
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So each pope gets to determine truth for a time? Truth changes?
Once again in debating a Catholic man on the sufficiency of God's Word in the believers life, all we get is a attack on the sufficiency of God's Word even as this man says the Bible is a Catholic Book..
Wow, it's a Catholic book you claim but then attack it's sufficiency, showing your hypocrisy .
It's a Catholic Book but you don't obey it nor do consider it sufficient for all you needs...sounds like a unbeliever....
when chrysostom was exiled from constantinople, he appealed to rome
who?
the pope
pope ??? there is NO such thing as Apostolic succession, the Roman Catholic Church has simply invented this false doctrine, to establish it's legitimacy..
The apostolic office was not a permanent office, but a temporary office.*
Apostles were required to have seen the risen Christ, so that he could preach a resurrection of which he had himself been an eyewitness (1 Corinthians 9:1).*
He had to be called and commissioned by the risen Lord directly (John 20:21; Acts 26:15-18), which also meant that he received the gospel from Christ Himself (Galatians 1:11-12).
so why are you searching for what the pope said over seven hundred years ago? -
today francis is our pope -
pay attention to what he says -
just like serpentdove
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Incorrect. Rather, we hold that the personal interpretations of Protestant sectarians like yourself are insufficient in the believer's life. Big difference there. Unless your personal interpretations of the Bible are somehow inspired and infallible...? Didn't think so.
You're wrong (see just above).
Does it seem to you that those that believe in Apostolic secession up until today do not usually know anything about what the Apostles taught when it comes to the Early Church Fathers? Especially if they themselves claim to be Apostles.
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