the pope determines what is heretical
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the pope determines what is heretical
they see it as impossible.
DavidK
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This same instruction was given to elders in general. Although coming directly from our Lord does set it apart as special, I don't see any implication of exclusive authority in it. You do?
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DavidK
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DavidK
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Because it is the Lord addressing Peter, as opposed to the apostles addressing the elders?
Or because of the emphasis of repetition?
DavidK
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So when Pope Liberius I supported Arianism, it was no longer heretical for the duration of his support?
What about when the Catholic Church excommunicates their Pope due to heresy? Was it not heretical up until the point where he was excommunicated at which point he's no longer Pope and thus it becomes heresy again?
When a Pope declares a former Pope heretical, that means they must be, because the Pope decides what is heretical, but the former Pope wasn't heretical until the current Pope declared it?
Or when a Pope declares he, himself, was heretical. His heretical teachings weren't heretical until he decided later that they were?
DavidK
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They don't apply because they don't describe Jesus' expectations for the leaders in His Church?
Or because church teaching has determined them less weighty or important than other scripture?
the only thing that counts right now is what francis says -
he is in charge -
I will not address the past -
the past is yours to justify your position now
I'll go with door number two -
in fact your biggest problem is determining what is important
francis - go to the right
sheep - benedict said to go left
francis - who is benedict?
sheep - benedict said to go left
francis - who is benedict?
already posted lots of truths
they forgot the 12
why don't you talk about tulip?
DavidK
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Okay, so the only thing that matters is what the Pope currently says. I get you.
If Pope Francis says today that what he said yesterday is heretical, then it is, but it wasn't at time. I suppose the answer to this paradox is, "Have faith, Jesus gave him the keys".
Is that about right?
DavidK
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Jesus thought it important enough to discuss multiple times, and the apostles thought it important enough to write down and echo in their teachings to the early Church, but the Roman Catholic Church does not consider it important, so it's not? Or you don't think it's important, so it's not? Or am I completely misunderstanding?
If I'm not misunderstanding, I'm left with a hierarchical church structure telling me that the portions of scripture indicating Jesus and the apostles were against a hierarchical church structure are not important therefore we can focus on more important things and essentially ignore them.
There seems to be a conflict of interest here.