The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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beloved57
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You teach that salvation is based on what a person does, that is work salvation and it is false!
beloved57
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It produces newness of life or new birth !
It produces newness of life or new birth !
Rom 6:4
4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Christ's Death for those He died for produces newness of life, or new birth . In Rom 6:4 Paul is explaining the end results of Christ having died for us, since those He died for died in union with Him, which death of His is called a baptism Lk 12:50
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Or they were baptized with Him; He said it[His Baptism] was to be accomplished, the same said about His Death Lk 9:31
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
Jn 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished or accomplished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.
30 After Yeshua had taken the wine, he said, “It is accomplished!” And, letting his head droop, he delivered up his spirit.CJB
So all for whom He died, as their Head and Shepherd Surety Representative, died or was baptized with Him; And in the same manner Christ their Head was raised from the dead by the Glory of the Father, likewise/even so we [His Body] should walk in Newness of Life, which is the New Birth or a Spiritual resurrection from the spiritual dead See Eph 2:5-6, and its this fact which is symbolized by water baptism !
Note: Folks water baptism is worthless if its not done with a spiritual understanding that the believers was in election union with Christ in His Our death, burial, and resurrection, if that was not comprehended when water baptized, it was in vain !
Peter states the same fact to believers, how they had been begotten again [from the dead] by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ [Their Head] from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by[because of] the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
And the words begotten us again anagennaó means:
I beget again, beget into a new life. hence in agreement with Pauls statement of Newness of Life in Rom 6:4; with these things in mind, its a given fact from the scripture of truth, that Christ's death for those He died for, produces for them a newness of life, just as sure and certain that He was raised up from the dead in their behalf and Justification Rom 4:25 !
It produces newness of life or new birth !
Rom 6:4
4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Christ's Death for those He died for produces newness of life, or new birth . In Rom 6:4 Paul is explaining the end results of Christ having died for us, since those He died for died in union with Him, which death of His is called a baptism Lk 12:50
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Or they were baptized with Him; He said it[His Baptism] was to be accomplished, the same said about His Death Lk 9:31
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
Jn 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished or accomplished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.
30 After Yeshua had taken the wine, he said, “It is accomplished!” And, letting his head droop, he delivered up his spirit.CJB
So all for whom He died, as their Head and Shepherd Surety Representative, died or was baptized with Him; And in the same manner Christ their Head was raised from the dead by the Glory of the Father, likewise/even so we [His Body] should walk in Newness of Life, which is the New Birth or a Spiritual resurrection from the spiritual dead See Eph 2:5-6, and its this fact which is symbolized by water baptism !
Note: Folks water baptism is worthless if its not done with a spiritual understanding that the believers was in election union with Christ in His Our death, burial, and resurrection, if that was not comprehended when water baptized, it was in vain !
Peter states the same fact to believers, how they had been begotten again [from the dead] by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ [Their Head] from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by[because of] the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
And the words begotten us again anagennaó means:
I beget again, beget into a new life. hence in agreement with Pauls statement of Newness of Life in Rom 6:4; with these things in mind, its a given fact from the scripture of truth, that Christ's death for those He died for, produces for them a newness of life, just as sure and certain that He was raised up from the dead in their behalf and Justification Rom 4:25 !
The atonement was that Jesus became divine. For the first time in history God came down from his heavenly throne and dwelt among us. The cycle will be close to complete when we become members of the holy household.
"That you will become the sons and daughters of God...."
"That you will become the sons and daughters of God...."
beloved57
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Christ's death alone loosed us from our sins !
Christ's death alone loosed us from our sins !
Rev 1:5
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Foks these things go hand and hand, Christ Loved us [His Church Eph 5:25] and so as a result He washed us [His Church] from our sins, no if and buts and maybes !
But now what does this washed us from our sins mean ? The word washed here is the greek word luó and means:
I loose, untie, release, (b) met: I break, destroy, set at naught, contravene; I break up a meeting, annul.
It means to discharge, set free !
To of something weighing upon or impeding over one, as a debt, claim, obligation, responsibility, accusation, etc.; to absolve; to acquit; to clear.
Thiose Christ Loved and died for are absolved, acquitted from all their sins, washed in that regard, and this even before they become believers, even though they shall become believers later ! You see their believing isnt what Loosed them from their sins, not at all, it was Christ's blood that accomplished that !
Its a True fact that Christ for them by His death has satisfied God's Law and Justice and have been legally loosed set free from all of its guilt, condemnation, and penalty [which is death],
Its just as a women has been loosed from the Law of her husband by his death Rom 7:2
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Loosed:
to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from, anyone;
Also Paul states it in another way here Rom 6:7
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Yes those Christ Loved and died for are freed from sin, but yet this word freed carries with it the Truth of Justified, justified from sin !
They are Justified / freed from sin by the Body of Christ Rom 7:4 which means His death, or Blood.
Those Christ died for are washed, loosed from, clear from all charges and attending due punishment, regarding their sins.
Now false teachers would tell us that this freedom from their sins condemnation and punishment of them is not until they believe, which is a lie and a attempt to steal the Crown of Victory from Christ and His Love and His Blood ! Those of us He died for are loosed from our sins by His Blood alone !Rev 1:5
Christ's death alone loosed us from our sins !
Rev 1:5
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Foks these things go hand and hand, Christ Loved us [His Church Eph 5:25] and so as a result He washed us [His Church] from our sins, no if and buts and maybes !
But now what does this washed us from our sins mean ? The word washed here is the greek word luó and means:
I loose, untie, release, (b) met: I break, destroy, set at naught, contravene; I break up a meeting, annul.
It means to discharge, set free !
To of something weighing upon or impeding over one, as a debt, claim, obligation, responsibility, accusation, etc.; to absolve; to acquit; to clear.
Thiose Christ Loved and died for are absolved, acquitted from all their sins, washed in that regard, and this even before they become believers, even though they shall become believers later ! You see their believing isnt what Loosed them from their sins, not at all, it was Christ's blood that accomplished that !
Its a True fact that Christ for them by His death has satisfied God's Law and Justice and have been legally loosed set free from all of its guilt, condemnation, and penalty [which is death],
Its just as a women has been loosed from the Law of her husband by his death Rom 7:2
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Loosed:
to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from, anyone;
Also Paul states it in another way here Rom 6:7
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Yes those Christ Loved and died for are freed from sin, but yet this word freed carries with it the Truth of Justified, justified from sin !
They are Justified / freed from sin by the Body of Christ Rom 7:4 which means His death, or Blood.
Those Christ died for are washed, loosed from, clear from all charges and attending due punishment, regarding their sins.
Now false teachers would tell us that this freedom from their sins condemnation and punishment of them is not until they believe, which is a lie and a attempt to steal the Crown of Victory from Christ and His Love and His Blood ! Those of us He died for are loosed from our sins by His Blood alone !Rev 1:5
beloved57
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Its out of this newness of Life, that Faith, Hope and Love flow, and also by it we receive a New Understanding according to Spiritual Light, of which is necessary to receive the Truth fruitfully Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Now this is key because of one word here " understandeth" its the greek word syniēmi and means:
I.to set or bring together
A.in a hostile sense, of combatants
II.to put (as it were) the perception with the thing perceived
A.to set or join together in the mind
i.i.e. to understand: the man of understanding
ii.idiom for: a good and upright man (having the knowledge of those things which pertain to salvation)
But this understanding man does not have by nature, this we know by Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Its the same greek word as in Matt 13:23, and here Paul under the inspiration of the Spirit writes that there are NONE that understandeth !
So its quite reasonable to conclude that the ones understanding the Word of Salvation in Matt 13:23 must have Newness of Life, thats why its also said that one has a good heart.
Also by nature the understanding is darkened to the Truths of God Eph 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
This is a symptom of being dead spiritually or alienated from the life of God, but when we receive that newness of Life, we are given a New Understanding because of Christ's coming into the world 1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
The giving us an understanding is the fruit of His coming, and so is the Newness of Life !
The BIBLE teaches that there is salvation in no other name but Jesus. It is RT that fallaciously claims this choice to accept Jesus as our savior is a work, the Bible does NOT teach that.
beloved57
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Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !
Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !
Jer 31:18-19
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
Repentance is the fruit of being turned by Christ, It is God Our Saviour through the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, that men are given repentance Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:18
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Note: Repentance of this nature must be given, we have it not in us by nature !
Now in fact, its an accomplishment of His death for us, and heres why !
The prophets stated "Surely after that I was turned, I repented"
In other words, his act of repenting was effected by him being first acted upon ! He was first turned, and AFTER that he repented !
The word turned in Jer 31:19 is shub: to turn back, return, so in this case it means to be returned or to be turned back, it means to bring back, it means to convert !
The word also corresponds with the NT word returned here in 1 Pet 2:25
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
here its the greek word epistrepho which means, to cause to return, to bring back unto the Love and Obedience of God, and its in the passive voice, which denotes that they are being returned, acted upon, and this is effected by what transpired in Vs 24 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Its the results of the healing that His stripes/death brings, a conversion to God !
And its this being returned that brings forth or causes our repentance, as the Prophet said, AFTER i was turned, I repented !
Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !
Jer 31:18-19
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
Repentance is the fruit of being turned by Christ, It is God Our Saviour through the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, that men are given repentance Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:18
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Note: Repentance of this nature must be given, we have it not in us by nature !
Now in fact, its an accomplishment of His death for us, and heres why !
The prophets stated "Surely after that I was turned, I repented"
In other words, his act of repenting was effected by him being first acted upon ! He was first turned, and AFTER that he repented !
The word turned in Jer 31:19 is shub: to turn back, return, so in this case it means to be returned or to be turned back, it means to bring back, it means to convert !
The word also corresponds with the NT word returned here in 1 Pet 2:25
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
here its the greek word epistrepho which means, to cause to return, to bring back unto the Love and Obedience of God, and its in the passive voice, which denotes that they are being returned, acted upon, and this is effected by what transpired in Vs 24 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Its the results of the healing that His stripes/death brings, a conversion to God !
And its this being returned that brings forth or causes our repentance, as the Prophet said, AFTER i was turned, I repented !
beloved57
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Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !2
Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !2
The word for repented in Jer 31:19 nacham means to be sorry,be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent, of one's own doings , to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense)
Its being made sorry for our wrong doings in a favorable sense, like for instance, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians 2 Cor 7:9-11
9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
And please notice in Vs 9 "for ye were made sorry after a godly manner"
Being made sorry is in the passive voice, its something that was wrought in them ! See Isa 26:12 !
They were made sorry for wrongdoing by the Power and Grace of God working in them, which sorrow workth repentance to Salvation or conversion, Note: Conversion is a kind of Salvation. This was Illustrated on the Day of Pentecost, How that the Risen Christ poured out His Spirit and Grace on that multitude, and it caused them to show forth the fruit of Godly Sorrow repentance for what they had done Acts 2:37-38 !
So repentance is the fruit and effect of the death of Christ. So when Peter later writes in his epistle about all coming to repentance 2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hes merely stating in light of what appears to be a delay in Christ's Second Coming, its no delay at all, for God's Purpose has allowed for the passage of time in order for the full number of the elect, from generation to generation, until the end of the world, that the full number come under the turning effects of the death of Christ, such turning brings about their repentance unto Salvation, 2 Cor 7:10; 2 Pet 3:15 !
Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !2
The word for repented in Jer 31:19 nacham means to be sorry,be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent, of one's own doings , to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense)
Its being made sorry for our wrong doings in a favorable sense, like for instance, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians 2 Cor 7:9-11
9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
And please notice in Vs 9 "for ye were made sorry after a godly manner"
Being made sorry is in the passive voice, its something that was wrought in them ! See Isa 26:12 !
They were made sorry for wrongdoing by the Power and Grace of God working in them, which sorrow workth repentance to Salvation or conversion, Note: Conversion is a kind of Salvation. This was Illustrated on the Day of Pentecost, How that the Risen Christ poured out His Spirit and Grace on that multitude, and it caused them to show forth the fruit of Godly Sorrow repentance for what they had done Acts 2:37-38 !
So repentance is the fruit and effect of the death of Christ. So when Peter later writes in his epistle about all coming to repentance 2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hes merely stating in light of what appears to be a delay in Christ's Second Coming, its no delay at all, for God's Purpose has allowed for the passage of time in order for the full number of the elect, from generation to generation, until the end of the world, that the full number come under the turning effects of the death of Christ, such turning brings about their repentance unto Salvation, 2 Cor 7:10; 2 Pet 3:15 !
beloved57
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Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !3
Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !3
Something else is seen in our text from Jer 31:18-19
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
Christ's death ensures our instruction, or chastening of the Lord, our discipline !
All for whom Christ died are Sons, for He tasted death for every Son Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
As Sons we all shall be instructed into the ways of Salvation, we inherit a Spiritual education which teaches us our need for Christ and His Righteousness which He has already provided for us. This is why Jesus says these words Jn 6:44-45
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man or son therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
The every man here are Sons, thats why Jesus says they have learned of the Father. Also Jesus says that it has been written in the prophets about this matter, lets read where in the Prophets Isa 54:13
And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
That word children is the word ben and means Sons ! And the word taught can be rendered instructed !
All thy Sons shall be instructed, this is what Jesus means in Jn 6:44-45, which is for every Son Christ died for.
This spiritual education and learning is what every Son must go through Heb 12:5-13
All those God Loves are His Sons and He chastens them Vs 6, and this chastening begins our spiritual education. The word chasten paideuó
means :
I discipline, educate, train, (b) more severely: I chastise.
Now this is what the Prophet means in Jer 31:19
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
God brings all His Sons to this point, to smote upon their thigh, and saying denoting their acute awareness of their sinfulness and pollution before God, results in a godly sorrow for sin !
Remember the Lords words in Lk 18:13-14
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Notice how he smote upon his breast [similar to jeremiah] saying " God be merciful to me a sinner"
Its no doubt therefore he was a Son who had to be chastened, instructed of his sinfulness, and we see the fruit of such instruction, Looking to God for Mercy, Propitiation which is through Christ !
Christ's Covenant Death shall produce this reaction or a very similar one for eveyone He died for, guarenteed ! Because if they are Sons its ensured, and they are Sons if God Loved them Heb 12:6
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receivet
The Same God and Love as in Jn 3:16, the World of His Sons !
Christ's Death effects our Repentance towards God !3
Something else is seen in our text from Jer 31:18-19
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
Christ's death ensures our instruction, or chastening of the Lord, our discipline !
All for whom Christ died are Sons, for He tasted death for every Son Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
As Sons we all shall be instructed into the ways of Salvation, we inherit a Spiritual education which teaches us our need for Christ and His Righteousness which He has already provided for us. This is why Jesus says these words Jn 6:44-45
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man or son therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
The every man here are Sons, thats why Jesus says they have learned of the Father. Also Jesus says that it has been written in the prophets about this matter, lets read where in the Prophets Isa 54:13
And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
That word children is the word ben and means Sons ! And the word taught can be rendered instructed !
All thy Sons shall be instructed, this is what Jesus means in Jn 6:44-45, which is for every Son Christ died for.
This spiritual education and learning is what every Son must go through Heb 12:5-13
All those God Loves are His Sons and He chastens them Vs 6, and this chastening begins our spiritual education. The word chasten paideuó
means :
I discipline, educate, train, (b) more severely: I chastise.
Now this is what the Prophet means in Jer 31:19
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
God brings all His Sons to this point, to smote upon their thigh, and saying denoting their acute awareness of their sinfulness and pollution before God, results in a godly sorrow for sin !
Remember the Lords words in Lk 18:13-14
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Notice how he smote upon his breast [similar to jeremiah] saying " God be merciful to me a sinner"
Its no doubt therefore he was a Son who had to be chastened, instructed of his sinfulness, and we see the fruit of such instruction, Looking to God for Mercy, Propitiation which is through Christ !
Christ's Covenant Death shall produce this reaction or a very similar one for eveyone He died for, guarenteed ! Because if they are Sons its ensured, and they are Sons if God Loved them Heb 12:6
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receivet
The Same God and Love as in Jn 3:16, the World of His Sons !
Nanja
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Amen to this very edifying 3-part study!
Yes, the World of His Sons God Loves; and His Fatherly Chastisement of every one of them is the evidence Heb. 12:6!
~~~~~
beloved57
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Amen!
beloved57
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Sanctified by His Death !
Sanctified by His Death !
Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And in accordance with this will [of God], we have been made holy (consecrated and sanctified) through the offering made once for all of the body of Jesus Christ (the Anointed One).AMP
All for whom Christ died, The meaning of the words " the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ", are by it Sanctified, set apart, once and for all, which produces results into their present and future ! The word sanctified here is the greek word hagiazō:
I.to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
II.to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
A.consecrate things to God
B.dedicate people to God
III.to purify
A.to cleanse externally
B.to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
C.to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Now to do this, to make or render Holy, to purify internally entails a the making of a new creation, a new man Created Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
This New Man must be Created to render True that Christ's death sanctified us, or its not a reliable Truth, its a lie ! Thats right, Heb 10:10 would be a lie.
The word created ktizō means to form, shape, make
B.to form, shape, i.e. to completely change or transform
So all for whom Christ died shall be be Created Holy in a New Creation, this is how they become sanctified internally, its that renewal Paul speaks of here Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
That word renewing means:
I.a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better,
B.to be changed into a new kind of life as opposed to the former corrupt state
The Sanctification that Christ's Death provides changes the inner man, or it would be incomplete !
Also, thats why its foolish to think or believe the Lie that Christ tasted death for all humanity without exception, as false teachers wretch to their own destruction Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
If tasting death for every man meant all without exception, then all without exception would be Sanctified by His Death as stated in Heb 10:10 and consequently all without exception would be made a New Man, would be given a New Life unto God, or His death failed to once and for all Sanctify them, which is Blasphemy to High Heaven ! His Sanctifying death mandates an implantation of New Life !
Sanctified by His Death !
Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And in accordance with this will [of God], we have been made holy (consecrated and sanctified) through the offering made once for all of the body of Jesus Christ (the Anointed One).AMP
All for whom Christ died, The meaning of the words " the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ", are by it Sanctified, set apart, once and for all, which produces results into their present and future ! The word sanctified here is the greek word hagiazō:
I.to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
II.to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
A.consecrate things to God
B.dedicate people to God
III.to purify
A.to cleanse externally
B.to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
C.to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Now to do this, to make or render Holy, to purify internally entails a the making of a new creation, a new man Created Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
This New Man must be Created to render True that Christ's death sanctified us, or its not a reliable Truth, its a lie ! Thats right, Heb 10:10 would be a lie.
The word created ktizō means to form, shape, make
B.to form, shape, i.e. to completely change or transform
So all for whom Christ died shall be be Created Holy in a New Creation, this is how they become sanctified internally, its that renewal Paul speaks of here Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
That word renewing means:
I.a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better,
B.to be changed into a new kind of life as opposed to the former corrupt state
The Sanctification that Christ's Death provides changes the inner man, or it would be incomplete !
Also, thats why its foolish to think or believe the Lie that Christ tasted death for all humanity without exception, as false teachers wretch to their own destruction Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
If tasting death for every man meant all without exception, then all without exception would be Sanctified by His Death as stated in Heb 10:10 and consequently all without exception would be made a New Man, would be given a New Life unto God, or His death failed to once and for all Sanctify them, which is Blasphemy to High Heaven ! His Sanctifying death mandates an implantation of New Life !
beloved57
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See my threads!
beloved57
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My response is see my threads and then you see what I believe and why! It's your responsibility to explain the scriptures you bring to the board not mine!
beloved57
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Sanctified by His Death !2
Sanctified by His Death !2
Lets revisit the word sanctified in Heb 10:10, its the verb hagiazō ,from the adjective hagios which means:
sacred (physically, pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially, consecrated):—(most) holy (one, thing), saint.
The verb means also :
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
Which meaning it has here 1 Cor 6:11;Heb 13:12 and is akin to what the writer of Hebrews means here by the word purged Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
The word purged here katharismos means:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ !
Amen, a cleansing from the guilt of sin contracted by the fall in Adam and afterwards in themselves, strictly by the Death of Christ, after which He " sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on High " !
This again points to the offering of Himself, His Body Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Many false teachers deny that those Christ died for are by His death alone, not His resurrection, deny that by it they are saved from the penalty of their sins, Justified from the guilt of them ! But thats exactly what the word sanctified means in Heb 10:10:
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
To be free from the guilt of sin is Justification ! The word Justification in Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Its the greek word dikaiōsis and means:
Sanctified by His Death !2
Lets revisit the word sanctified in Heb 10:10, its the verb hagiazō ,from the adjective hagios which means:
sacred (physically, pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially, consecrated):—(most) holy (one, thing), saint.
The verb means also :
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
Which meaning it has here 1 Cor 6:11;Heb 13:12 and is akin to what the writer of Hebrews means here by the word purged Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
The word purged here katharismos means:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ !
Amen, a cleansing from the guilt of sin contracted by the fall in Adam and afterwards in themselves, strictly by the Death of Christ, after which He " sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on High " !
This again points to the offering of Himself, His Body Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Many false teachers deny that those Christ died for are by His death alone, not His resurrection, deny that by it they are saved from the penalty of their sins, Justified from the guilt of them ! But thats exactly what the word sanctified means in Heb 10:10:
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
To be free from the guilt of sin is Justification ! The word Justification in Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Its the greek word dikaiōsis and means:
- the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
- abjuring to be righteous, justification
beloved57
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Sanctified by His Death !3
Sanctified by His Death !3
Now the word Sanctified in Heb 10:10 is also in the Perfect Tense, this Sanctification is a once and for all completed act from the past with ramification that effects the present and future, which means that none of those Christ died for can ever come under the guilt and condemnation of sin Rom 8:33-34, so they could never be of those who shall eventually die in their sins Jn 8:24, nor come into condemnation Jn 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
If Christ died for their sins, they can never come into condemnation for anything ! If they do, that would be a seriuos indictment against the accomplishment of Christ's Sanctifying death for them !
Sanctified by His Death !3
Now the word Sanctified in Heb 10:10 is also in the Perfect Tense, this Sanctification is a once and for all completed act from the past with ramification that effects the present and future, which means that none of those Christ died for can ever come under the guilt and condemnation of sin Rom 8:33-34, so they could never be of those who shall eventually die in their sins Jn 8:24, nor come into condemnation Jn 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
If Christ died for their sins, they can never come into condemnation for anything ! If they do, that would be a seriuos indictment against the accomplishment of Christ's Sanctifying death for them !
So you don't believe that ANY believer can become apostate?
beloved57
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Posts 853,858,859 did you read them ? Did you understand the points I madein them about Christ's death sanctifying ?