Theology Club: Romans 11 Issues

Danoh

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There are various views within what really amounts to various offshoots of two basic schools of thought: Covenant (or Reformed) and Dispensational Theology, as to what Romans 11 is talking about.

The following site lays out a view on this that is very much like my own (though not in all points):

http://doctrine.org/the-olive-tree/

By the way, right below that article are some additional comments well worth reading also!
 
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Danoh

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An excellent two part study on the actual sense of Romans 11 that shows exactly why the original Acts 9 Position is the only sound understanding of this issue, in contrast to any view prior, or since.

Great, great two part article - almost flawless!

Part1: The Olive Tree Graft – Pastor Ricky Kurth

https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/berean-searchlight-january-2015/

https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/January-Berean-Searchlight1.pdf

Part 2: The Olive Tree Boast – Pastor Ricky Kurth

https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/berean-searchlight-february-2015

https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/February-Berean-Searchlight.pdf
 
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Danoh

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In case the above does not work...

Part 1: The Olive Tree Graft – Pastor Ricky Kurth


Spoiler
“The Olive Tree Graft” by Pastor Ricky Kurth, Part 1, pages 5-12, Berean Searchlight, for January, 2015.

If you’ve ever wondered why “extending an olive branch” is an expression that signifies an offer of peace, many think that this figure of speech is a reference to the olive leaf that the dove brought back to Noah (Gen. 8:10,11). Noah rightly interpreted the extension of this olive branch as evidence that the waters of the great flood were receding, and that God’s “war” on mankind was coming to an end. Here we see yet another reminder that many of the familiar figures of speech that pepper our language find their roots in the Word of God.

But while the olive branch is a symbol of peace in our culture, the olive tree is a familiar symbol of Israel in the Scriptures. Speaking to the people of Israel, the prophet said,

“The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree…” (Jer. 11:16).

However, in speaking to the members of the Body of Christ in Rome, the Apostle Paul said, “I speak to you Gentiles” (Rom. 11:13), then went on to tell them that “thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them” (Rom. 11:17), speaking of a symbolic graft that spliced these new Gentile believers into this symbolic tree that previously symbolized only Israel.

It is absolutely crucial that we understand what the apostle is talking about in this passage, for only a proper interpretation of the olive tree analogy will eliminate three very damaging misunderstandings that are taught from these verses.

First, the doctrine known as “replacement theology” points to this text to prove that God replaced the people of Israel with the Gentiles, and that we are now “spiritual Israel.” As we shall see, this view cannot be supported by a correct understanding of the olive tree graft.

Second, those who teach that a believer can lose his salvation also look to this passage to support their erroneous view. However, as we shall also see, this cannot be what Paul had in mind when he warned of God’s “severity” and spoke in threatening tones of being “cut off” (v. 22).

Finally, understanding Paul’s analogy will eliminate the temptation to deny that it is the Gentiles that have been grafted into the olive tree, a mistake that leads to the erroneous Acts 28 position that teaches that we have nothing to do with the people of Israel.

The Firstfruit

Now that we’ve cleared the brush away from the base of the olive tree, let’s begin to delve into a study of this analogy by considering the details, which begin with Paul’s words in Romans 11:16:

“For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.”

It is not difficult to interpret what the “firstfruit” of Israel’s olive tree represents in this analogy if we compare Scripture with Scripture, the only safe way to interpret the Bible. Speaking through the prophet Hosea, God said to the Jews of his day:

“I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time…” (Hos. 9:10).

The fig tree is yet another symbol of Israel (Luke 13:6-9), and so the “fathers” mentioned here were unquestionably Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, men to whom the prophet refers to as “the firstripe.” The first ripe fruit would naturally be the first fruit of a crop, and so we can easily determine that the firstfruit of our text verse is a reference to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the patriarchs of Israel.

Now that we’ve identified the firstfruit of the olive tree, we can turn our attention to the “lump.”

“...it is this position of nearness to God that the olive tree represents.”

The dictionary defines a lump as “an aggregation of things massed together.”1 We usually use this word as a verb when we speak of lumping things together. We believe that this identifies the lump, in this context, as the aggregate members of the twelve tribes that descended from the three patriarchs; that is, the lump represents all the natural descendants of these fathers, saved and unsaved.

Paul is contending that if the patriarchs were holy, then the lump of their natural descendants, this lumped-together multitude of saved and unsaved people were holy as well.

But what kind of holiness did Paul have in mind? What kind of holiness could (both) saved and unsaved Jews experience together? We must answer this question here at the very outset of this discussion if we hope to draw the right conclusions from the olive tree analogy. Paul is not speaking here of the kind of holiness that the patriarchs received when they got saved, for they could not pass this kind of holiness on to the lump of their natural offspring. He is rather speaking of the kind of holiness that the entire nation of Israel had, believers and unbelievers, a holiness that separated them from all the other peoples of the earth.

God told the entire nation that they were “an holy people...a special people...above all people” (Deut. 7:6). This kind of holiness, the holiness that rendered all of the natural seed of the patriarchs “so nigh” to God (Deut. 4:7), is the only holiness that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could pass on to the lump of all their natural descendants. Remember, spiritually speaking, God has many children, but He has no grandchildren.

That is, you can’t pass the holiness of salvation on to your children by any natural means, and neither could the patriarchs.

But all of the branches in Jacob’s family tree, saved and unsaved, were holy unto God, in a general sense, above the rest of the people of the earth who were “afar off” from Him (Eph. 2:17).

We might compare this to how Paul says that children who have at least one believing parent are “holy” (I Cor. 7:14) in that they are more nigh to God and His Word through that redeemed parent than children of unbelieving parents. Unsaved children in such marriages are more likely to be saved than other children because of the influence of the believing parent, and so Paul says that they are “holy” in that respect. In the same way, unsaved natural descendants of the lump of the patriarchs were more likely to be saved, due to the influence of their saved brethren, than the other peoples of the earth who were not set apart as nigh unto Him.

The Root and the Branches

The “root” of the olive tree of Israel has to be Abraham himself.

If you are wondering why, we might compare this to how the Lord Jesus is said to be “the Root of David” (Rev. 5:5). If you are not sure what that means, remember that the Lord was called “the root and the offspring of David” (Rev. 22:16). We know that the Lord was the offspring of David because He was a natural descendant of David (Matt.1:1; 22:41-45). But if natural descendancy is the issue here, then we know that the Lord was also the root of David (Rev. 5:5) because David was His natural descendant.

Remember, David was a son of Adam, “which was the son of God” (Luke 3:38). But if the Lord is called the root of David because He was David’s earliest progenitor, then the root of the olive tree of Israel must be Abraham. When you trace the family tree of the people of Israel back as far as you can go, you find that the great root of the Jewish race is their great father, Abraham, the rock from which they as a people were hewn (Isa. 51:1,2).

Of course, if Abraham be the natural root of the olive tree of Israel, the “branches” must symbolize the natural descendants of Abraham, the Jews, just as the branches in the diagram of any family tree symbolize the descendants of the root of an ancient progenitor. We know this because it was said of Jesse, “a Branch shall grow out of his roots” (Isa. 11:1), speaking of how the “Branch” of Christ would grow up out of the “roots” of Jesse, the father of David (Jer. 23:5).

If the “branches” of the olive tree in our text grow out of the “root” of Abraham, then the branches must speak of Abraham’s natural descendants, the way the “lump” spoke of the natural descendants of the firstfruit of the patriarchs.

Later, we’ll see that Paul uses both of these analogies because we Gentiles are grafted into the root of Abraham, but not into “the stock of Israel” (Phil. 3:5).

The Holiness

Now when Paul says, “if the root be holy, so are the branches,” we have to remember the kind of holiness that Paul is talking about in this passage. He wasn’t saying that since Abraham was saved that all the natural branches of Israel’s family tree must be saved as well, something about which the Jews were confused, and had to be set straight (Matt. 3:8,9). He is rather saying that since God set Abraham apart as nigh unto Himself, apart from the other peoples of the earth (Gen. 12:1; Josh. 24:3), so all of the branches of his descendants were likewise set apart unto God. They were “holy” in the sense that they were set apart as nigh unto Him, and thus much more likely to be saved than the Gentiles who were not set apart unto God.

Here we have to pause and examine what it was that made Israel so nigh to God. In a discussion of the Jews who “were nigh,” and the Gentiles who were “made nigh” when they were grafted in among them (Eph. 2:13, 17), Paul reminds us Gentiles that before we were made nigh, we were “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel” (2:12). Being a part of the commonwealth of Israel was what made the Jews nigh to God, and the commonwealth of Israel was the wealth that the people of Israel shared in common, saved and unsaved.

If you’re wondering what that wealth might be, when Samuel spoke of “all the wealth which God shall give Israel,” he spoke of how God’s “habitation” was with Israel (I Sam. 2:32). You see, God dwelt in Israel’s temple, between the two cherubim that stood atop the mercy seat (I Sam. 4:4; II Sam. 6:2, etc.) amid all the people of Israel, saved and unsaved alike. This presence of God in their midst (Joel 2:27; Zeph. 3:17) is what made the Jews “nigh” to God, both geographically and spiritually, and it is this position of nearness to God that the olive tree represents.

The Broken Off Branches

Now that we understand what the Bible means when it says that the olive tree of all Jews in Israel were nigh to God, we are in a better position to understand what Paul means when he goes on to say that some of the branches of this olive tree were “broken off”:

“And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree” (Rom. 11:17).

The breaking off of some of the branches from Israel’s olive tree (the branches that we’ve already defined as all the natural descendants of Abraham) is not a reference to how any of the believers in Israel lost their salvation. We know this because Paul is drawing from an analogy that God Himself used in Jeremiah 11:16, where the prophet said to his nation:

“The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult He hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.”

When the next verse begins with the word “for,” that tells us that Jeremiah is about to explain what God meant by the breaking off of these branches in Israel:

“For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee…” (v. 17).

The “evil” that God pronounced against Israel was the coming of the Babylonian captivity. In that captivity, believers like Daniel and his three Hebrew friends did not lose their salvation, but the “branches” of the nation as a whole were separated from being as near to the God that dwelt in Israel as they were before they were carried away from Jerusalem into Babylon.

Since Paul is drawing from this analogy for his own analogy, we have to conclude that he has the same idea in mind. The natural branches of the nation as a whole have been separated from their position of being nigh to God.

Remember, the olive tree spoke only of a position of being nigh to Him. It is from this position of nearness to God that the unbelieving Jews were broken off in Acts 7 when they stoned Stephen. As a result, unsaved Jews are no closer to God than unsaved Gentiles in the present dispensation.

Now, when Paul says that “some of the branches be broken off,” don’t let that word “some” throw you. This word usually means “not the majority,” but sometimes it means “not all,” as it does when the Bible speaks of Israel in the wilderness and says that “some…did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt” (Heb. 3:16). If you know the story, you know that most of the nation did provoke God, with Joshua and Caleb being the only exceptions.

In another example of this use of the word some, Paul says that “some of them” were idolaters (I Cor. 10:7), even though we know that most of the Jews in the wilderness were idolaters.

In yet another example, Paul said of the Jews in his own day that “some did not believe” (Rom. 3:3), when in reality we know that most of them didn’t believe. So when he says here in our text that “some of the branches be broken off,” he is referring to the unbelievers in the nation, the majority that rejected Christ and stoned Stephen, the ones outside of the remnant in Israel that believed on Christ, who remained nigh to God, of course.

We know that the “some” refers to unsaved Jews because in the context the “some” that were broken off must be the same “some” that Paul just finished saying he hoped would get saved through his ministry (v. 14), the ones that he says were cast away in the next verse (v. 15). The nation of Israel as a whole may have rejected Christ and stoned Stephen, but individual Jews could get saved through the ministry of the apostle of the Gentiles, just as individual Jews can be saved in our own day. The word “for” that introduces the analogy (v. 16) shows that the analogy is an illustration of the breaking off of the unbelieving branches of Israel, the casting away of which he’d just finished speaking about.

Now that we know who the branches were, and what they were broken off from, let’s find out who was grafted in among them.

The Wild Olive Tree

In context, the “wild olive tree” represents the Gentiles, saved and unsaved alike. Remember, Paul introduced this analogy by saying, “I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles” (v. 13),2 and—still speaking to the Gentiles here—Paul says, “and thou, being a wild olive tree...” In this analogy, of course, the plural “you” of “I speak to you Gentiles” (v. 13), that refers to individuals among the Gentiles, becomes a singular “thou” in “thou, being a wild olive tree” (v. 17) because those individuals are now being viewed as a people, and so are represented by a single olive tree.3

If you are wondering in what sense Gentiles could be considered an olive tree, we might as well ask in what sense Israel could be considered an olive tree. That is, the only reason Israel is represented by an olive tree is because God says that it is so. In the same sense, if God here says that the Gentiles are a wild olive tree, we can’t tell God what He can and can’t represent in His analogies.

The Jews were the cultured olive tree that God carefully planted and cultivated in the Promised Land (Isa. 5:1-7). The Gentiles, on the other hand, were a wild olive tree in that they were “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel” (Eph. 2:12), having grown up outside of the commonwealth in lands outside of the promised land. Because of this, the Gentiles did not have God in their midst, as saved and unsaved Jews did in Israel.

Now that we’ve laid the groundwork, we are in a much better position to understand what Paul means when he tells the wild olive tree of the Gentiles that they had been “graffed in” to Israel’s olive tree. Paul was not saying that the Gentiles were saved by this graft, for the olive tree didn’t refer to saved Israel. He was rather saying that saved and unsaved Gentiles alike had been set apart unto God as holy unto Him, with God in our midst, just as saved and unsaved Jews once were.

In what sense is God in the midst of saved and unsaved Gentiles? In the same sense in which God was in the midst of saved and unsaved Jews. They were His base of operations on the earth. Remember that when the Lord told a Gentile woman that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22), He wasn’t saying that every individual Jew was saved. He was rather telling her that the salvation of God resided with Israel, and Gentiles who wanted to be saved had to come to God through the people who had His salvation, the Jews, and be saved the Jewish way, through circumcision and the Law. But today, in the dispensation of grace, “the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles” (Acts 28:28), and it now dwells with us. This doesn’t mean that every individual Gentile is saved; it just means that if a person wants to get saved today, whether Jew or Gentile, he has to come to God through the people who now have His salvation, the Gentiles, and be saved the Gentile way, by grace through faith alone.

The Graft

When Paul says that the Gentiles were grafted in “among them,” this cannot be a reference to how we were grafted in among the unbelievers in Israel, for the unbelieving branches of Israel’s olive tree were broken off from their position of nearness to God.

We were rather grafted in among the believing branches, the only branches that were left near to God in Israel’s olive tree after the unbelieving branches were broken off. Remember, the olive tree represented the aggregate members of the descendants of the root of Abraham, saved and unsaved, who were “nigh” to God. Once the unbelieving branches were broken off, the only branches left nigh to God and His blessings were believing branches, and it is among them that Paul says we Gentiles were grafted in.

That makes what Paul goes on to say easier to understand when he says of these believing branches that the Gentiles as a people now “partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.” Let’s examine our relationship to these two things, the root and the fatness, one at a time.

First, when Paul says that the Gentiles partake of the root of the olive tree, we have already identified the root of the olive tree as Abraham. The Gentiles as a whole, saved and unsaved, now partake of the root of Abraham in the olive tree in the same way that saved and unsaved Jews once partook of the root of Abraham in the olive tree, in the nearness to God that this root afforded them.

But just because the Gentiles are now part of the olive tree, that doesn’t mean that all Gentiles are saved, any more than all Jews were saved because of their position in the olive tree in time past. All Jews were a part of the olive tree and were all nigh to Abraham, but believing Jews were nigh to him spiritually. In the same way, all Gentiles today are a part of the olive tree, but believing Gentiles are nigh to him spiritually.

That is, the entire physical seed of Abraham were nigh to him, but “neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children” (Rom. 9:7). “They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed” (Rom. 9:8). Simply put, all Jews in the olive tree of Israel were nigh to him, but believing Jews were saved. In the same way, all Gentiles are now nigh to the root of Abraham, but believing Gentiles are saved, for “they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham” (Gal. 3:7).

To Be Continued!

Endnotes

1. Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged
2. Paul is the apostle of saved and unsaved Gentiles alike. He tells unsaved Gentiles how to be saved (by grace through faith alone) and he tells saved Gentiles how to live.
3. In Greek, and in many other languages, there are different words for “you” when speaking to an individual than when speaking to a group. Modern English cannot reflect this difference in the Greek text, but in the King James Version the words “you,” “your” and “ye” reflect the plural in the Greek text, while the words “thee,” “thou” and “thy” express the singular.

Part 2: The Olive Tree Boast – Pastor Ricky Kurth


Spoiler
“The Olive Tree Boast” by Pastor Ricky Kurth, Part 2, pages 13-20, Berean Searchlight, for February, 2015.

The Olive Tree Boast

The Fatness

Now that we’ve talked about how the Gentiles partake of the “root” of the olive tree, we must consider how we partake of its “fatness” (Rom. 11:17).

Fatness in the Bible speaks of blessing (Gen. 27:28), and so the fatness of the olive tree must be a representation of all the spiritual blessings that flowed from “the covenants of promise” that God made with Abraham, the root of the olive tree, the source of the fatness. The most basic of these promises was eternal life (Rom. 4:13-16), with “the adoption” and “the glory” and “the service of God” being other spiritual blessings that once pertained only to Israel (Rom. 9:4, 5).

As we’ve seen, the olive tree symbolized the nearness that Israel had to these blessings, including saved and unsaved Jews alike. The unbelievers in Israel were broken off from being nigh to these blessings (11:17), but the Gentiles, saved and unsaved alike, have been grafted in “among” the believing Jewish branches that were left, and “with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.” All Gentiles are now nigh to these blessings, and men
who seek them must now find them among the Gentiles.

Now, it’s easy to understand how saved Gentiles partake of the fatness of the olive tree by being grafted in “among” the believing branches in Israel. The Lord used that word “among” the day He saved Saul and sent him to the Gentiles, “that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me” (Acts 26:17, 18). The only ones who were already sanctified by faith in Christ at the time that the Lord spoke those words to Saul were the believing branches in Israel’s olive tree, and the Lord told Saul that we have an inheritance “among” these believing branches. That word “among” helps us to understand that the “them” that we were “graffed in among” in Romans 11:17 are the sanctified believing branches in the olive tree of Israel, who had an inheritance “in Christ” before us (Rom. 16:7). We don’t have the same inheritance in Christ as Israel has, but we have an inheritance in Him among them.

But how can we say that unsaved Gentiles partake of the fatness of the olive tree? The answer is that unsaved Gentiles partake of this fatness in the same way that unsaved Jews partook of it in time past, in the holiness that they enjoyed just by being “nigh” to it. As we saw in our first study of the olive tree, in time past all Jews were “holy” just by being nigh to the fatness of these blessings, but believing Jews were saved by them. In the same way, all Gentiles today are holy (in the I Corinthians 7:14 sense) just by being nigh to the fatness of these blessings, but believing Gentiles are saved by them.

The Boast

Now, Paul knew that this rags to-riches story among the Gentiles was pretty heady stuff! That’s why the apostle, knowing the propensity of men to boast, goes on to caution us about this:

“Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee” (Rom. 11:18).

The “branches” here can’t be the believing branches among whom we Gentiles were graffed in, for there would be no temptation for us to boast against the people with whom we now share an inheritance. We are rather being warned not to boast against the unbelieving branches that were broken off. If you are curious about what kind of boasting Paul is warning us about, he gives us a clue when he says that this boasting can be prevented by remembering that the “root” of Abraham1 bears the Gentiles, we don’t bear him. What kind of boasting do Gentiles do that involves Abraham?

You know the answer to that question if you are familiar with what is called replacement theology. This doctrine teaches that after Israel crucified her Messiah God washed His hands of the seed of Abraham and will never again have anything to do with her, giving all her blessings to the Gentiles. This belief system boasts that we Gentiles are the real Jews, the true seed of Abraham.

This kind of boasting against the unbelieving branches that God had to break off of the olive tree of Israel goes on all the time among Gentiles, saved and unsaved alike. But if we Gentiles are the first true Jews, then we must be the root of Abraham. Paul’s point in giving the olive tree analogy is to nip this kind of boasting in the bud by reminding Gentiles that we are not the root of Abraham, we have been graft into the root of Abraham, and so have nothing to boast about. The root of the olive tree bears us, we don’t bear him.

Here it is important to notice that Paul says it is the root of the olive tree that bears us Gentiles, not the firstfruits. That is, it is Abraham who bears us, not the patriarchs of Israel.2 That means that the connection that believing Gentiles have with the believing branches of the olive tree is not based on Jacob (Israel), it is based on Abraham. We are part of the seed of Abraham, but we are not part of “the stock of Israel” (Phil. 3:5). That is, if we return our attention back up to Romans 11:16, we see that Gentiles cannot be made to be a part of the aggregate “lump” of saved and unsaved Jews that stem from the firstfruit of Isaac and Jacob, for we can’t trace our family tree back to those patriarchs.

But saved and unsaved Gentiles can be made to be a part of the olive tree that stems from the root of Abraham.

The Brag

After silencing the boast in which most Gentiles engage, that we are the root of Abraham, Paul knew that the pride of men does not go down easily. He knew that after hearing how the Gentiles were grafted into the olive tree when the unbelieving branches were broken off that pride would prompt the Gentiles to figure out a way to boast about that too! He even knew what form this new boast would take:

“Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in” (Rom. 11:19).

Paul knew that once the Gentiles were forced to admit that they don’t bear Abraham, that he bears them, that to save face they will switch to boasting that the reason God broke the Jewish branches off was so that they might be grafted in! Paul cannot deny that this is true, for he knew it was God’s eternal purpose in the mystery to graft us into the olive tree. But just because Paul can’t deny this boast doesn’t mean he can’t address and deflate it:

The Squelch

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear” (Rom. 11:20).

With this word “well,” Paul acknowledges that unbelieving Jews were broken off of the olive tree to graft the Gentiles in during the dispensation of grace. However, as he goes on to point out, this is nothing to brag about! The unbelieving branches were broken off because of unbelief, and this could just as easily happen to the Gentiles. Here we have to pause and review what happened to Israel in order to understand what Paul is saying might happen to the Gentiles.

The Jews as a whole, saved and unsaved alike, used to stand by faith. Faith comes by hearing God’s Word (Rom. 10:17), and “unto them were committed the oracles of God” (Rom. 3:2). Saved and unsaved Jews alike had the Word of God, what we call the Old Testament. It was one of the things that made them near to God. That didn’t mean every Jew believed the Scriptures; it just meant that they stood by faith before God because of them. When a Jew believed the Word given to them he became “obedient to the faith” found in his nation (Acts 6:7). But because of the unbelief of “some” (most)2 in Israel, the nation as a whole was broken off from the position of nearness to God that their Scriptures afforded them, and they are no longer the source of God’s blessing on earth.

In the same way, the Gentiles, saved and unsaved alike, now “stand by faith,” as Paul says here. Faith still comes by the Word of God, and saved and unsaved Gentiles alike now have the Word of God that the Jews did not have and do not accept, what we call the New Testament, especially Paul’s epistles, the books written by the apostle of the Gentiles.

That doesn’t mean that every Gentile believes the Word of God, but like with the Jews, the Word was given to the Gentiles “for obedience to the faith” (Rom. 1:5; 16:26). When a Gentile believes, he becomes obedient to the faith (Rom. 6:17). But if some (most) Gentiles refuse to believe, then the Gentiles will be broken off from the position of nearness to God that Paul’s epistles afford us, and we will no longer be the source of God’s blessing on earth.

So as Gentiles we “stand by faith,” but our apostle has warned us that “in the latter times” of the dispensation of grace “some [most] shall depart from the faith” (I Tim. 4:1). Faith comes by hearing the Word of God, and when most of the Gentiles move away from the Word of God that they hear in Paul’s epistles, they will fall from their standing with God. It is this which we Gentiles must fear, instead of boasting and being “highminded” about what God is doing in and through us in this dispensation.

When Paul warns the Gentiles not to be highminded, this word means “proud” and “arrogant,” and in this context the word speaks of the specific arrogance that the apostle addressed in verses 18,19, that which boasts that we are the true Jews, and that God broke off relations with Israel in order to graft in the Gentiles. It is no coincidence that Paul says “that in the last days” before God cuts the Gentiles off at the Rapture that “men shall be…highminded” (II Tim. 3:1-4). As Paul says here, the Gentiles as a whole should rather “fear,”

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee” (Rom. 11:21).

Stand, Or Else!

Far from a threat to take salvation away from redeemed members of the Body of Christ, the warning of v. 21 must be considered in the context of all that we have come to understand in this passage. The “natural branches” in Israel that God “spared not” were broken off of the olive tree “because of unbelief” (v. 20). That is, the “natural” descendants of the patriarchs were broken off from their position of being nigh to God when they did not believe.

That means that the Gentiles as a whole are being threatened with a similar warning, but with an even greater sense of urgency. If God didn’t spare the natural branches of the olive tree of Israel, how much less will He spare the wild olive tree of the Gentiles?

“...the symbolic meaning of the olive tree...speaks of testimony...”

But what does that mean? Well, when “God spared not the natural branches,” they were cut off from being the people who had God in their midst, the people who could offer salvation to the world. This agrees with the symbolic meaning of the olive tree, which speaks of testimony and witness. Zechariah saw “two olive trees” in a vision and was later told that these two olive trees were “the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth” (Zech. 4:11-14).

We see these two anointed ones again in John’s vision of the Revelation, where God calls them “My two witnesses...the two olive trees... standing before the God of the earth” (Rev. 11:3,4).

Since these two witnesses are said to give a “testimony” (v. 7), God wants us to understand that the olive tree of Romans 11 is all about which group of people will be His witnesses in the world. Israel used to be the ones giving His testimony. God told the entire nation of Israel, “Ye are My witnesses” (Isa. 43:10), in contrast to “all the nations” that were witnesses of the false gods (v. 9). But now God’s witnesses are found among the Gentiles, and it is from this position of being the source of God’s witness to the world that Paul is saying we will not be spared if we depart from the faith. It is our agency in the world that is in danger of being severed by something Paul goes on to call “the severity” of God:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off” (Rom. 11:22).

In the context, “the goodness” of God must be defined as His goodness in grafting the wild olive tree of the Gentiles into the root of Abraham, making us His source of blessing to the world, with God in our midst, just as Israel was once His channel of blessing to the world, with God in their midst.

Likewise, in context, the “severity” of God must refer to the severing of the people of Israel as a whole from being His source of blessing to the world. The warning here is given to encourage the Gentiles to continue to be the source of God’s testimony to the world.
Or Else What?

What will happen if we don’t? What’s all this about being “cut off”? To answer this question, all we have to do is remember what it means to be cut off in the context of this passage.

Earlier, Paul talked about how the unbelieving Jews had been “broken off” from the olive tree of God’s witness to the world when the nation as a whole fell into apostasy, prompting the people of Israel as a whole to be dismissed as the source of God’s testimony to the world. This means that the cutting off that Paul warns the Gentiles about must be the similar risk of being dismissed as the source of God’s testimony to the world if we similarly fall into overall apostasy.

What are the odds of that happening? Whatever they are, it is beyond a safe bet, for the Apostle Paul predicts that our dispensation, as all others, will end in failure. His descriptions of the last days of the dispensation of grace are replete with predictions of departure from the faith (I Tim. 4:1-3; II Tim. 3:1-5). There is no question that the time will come for the Gentiles to be cut off as the source of salvation in the earth, when the Rapture brings an end to the present divine interregnum.

Then What?

What will happen when God cuts the Gentiles off? Will He be left without an olive tree of witness in the earth, with no source of testimony to the lost? Far from it! Speaking of the people of Israel, Paul goes on to say:

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again” (Rom. 11:23).

It won’t be difficult for God to graft Israel back into the olive tree of His testimony, for the root of His testimony that He lay in the historic life of Abraham will still be here in the earth after the Body of Christ is gone.

We see an illustration of this in the “tree” of Nebuchadnezzar (Dan. 4:20-23), the “head of gold” who God made to be the head over all the earth (Dan. 2:37,38) when He took the world’s headship away from Israel and made them the tail (Deut. 28:43,44). God tried to warn Nebuchadnezzar that He would “cut off his branches” (Dan. 4:14) if he didn’t “break off” his sins (4:27). When he persisted in his iniquity, God cut his whole tree down, laying the axe to his roots (4:28-33), and allowed another to reign in his stead until he was ready to be used of God again (vv. 34-37).

If you know the story, you know that to facilitate his return, God vowed that He would “leave the stump of his roots in the earth” (Dan. 4:15), and sure enough, his kingdom was still there upon his return (4:26). In the same way, God laid the axe to the root of the tree of Israel (Matt. 3:10), and the entire tree was cut down (Luke 13:6-9), and the Gentiles have taken over as God’s agents on earth in their absence.

But the stump of her roots in the earth are still here in the ancient root that He planted in Abraham, and after the Rapture it will be an easy thing for God to rejoin the people of Israel to the root of Abraham, return them to the headship of the world, and reinstate them to their position of being His conduit to the earth.

Here it should be pointed out that God didn’t break branches off of the Gentiles and graft them in to the olive tree of Israel, for that would make us part of Israel. No, when God cut Israel off because of the unbelief of some, the axe was laid to the root of the tree of Israel (Matt. 3:10), and the entire wild olive “tree” of the Gentiles was graft in to the root of Abraham (Rom. 11:17). But the Gentiles will be cut off at the Rapture, after which God will restore the olive tree of Israel to her roots, just as He did with the tree of Nebuchadnezzar.

It’s Only Natural

Of course, all this is news to those who teach that God washed His hands of Israel after the Cross and will never have anything to do with her ever again. It’s true, after what Israel did, it seems impossible that God could ever restore her. But as Paul goes on to say, it is not only possible that God can graft Israel back in to the root of her tree, it will be easy and natural.

“For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” (Rom. 11:24).

In time past, if anyone asked who God’s witnesses to the world were, people would naturally have answered “Israel.” They were the people to whom God had given birth as a nation, nurtured when they were young, and carefully cultivated and groomed to be His servants. It would have been unnatural to think that the Gentiles, who had received none of this attention, could be grafted into the olive tree of God’s testimony to the world, and yet this is what God did, acting “contrary to nature” in doing so. From this Paul argues that if God could do what was too unnatural to even consider, how much easier will it be for Him to return the people who were more naturally associated with God to the olive tree of His testimony.

Lessons to Be Learned

“Lest ye should be wise in your own conceits” (Rom. 11:25), that is, lest you be found among those that boast against the branches of Israel by teaching replacement theology, God would have you to know that Israel’s blindness is only temporary (v. 25), and that the day will come when God will return Israel to her roots (vv. 26,27). He is not through with Israel yet! Those who claim that God took all of her promises and gave them to us need to remember that “the gifts and calling of God are without repentance” (Rom. 11:29), and that Israel will one day get all that God promised her.

In the meantime, we trust that the understanding of the olive tree analogy we have presented will be used of God to keep many from denying that it is the Gentiles that have been grafted into the olive tree of God’s testimony.

Denying this is a dangerous view that takes a step in the direction of the erroneous Acts 28 position that teaches that we have no connection with the people of Israel.

It is also our sincere hope that this study will equip you to answer those that would use Paul’s analogy to support replacement theology, or the idea that the believer can lose his salvation. Members of the Body of Christ need to know that while branches can be cut off of an olive tree, all the cutting that will ever be done on the body of Christ was done as He died for our sins, and we can never be cut out of Him. We hope you’ll share this article with any who use this passage to shake the faith of others in Paul’s clear assertion that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ (Rom. 8:35-39).

Endnotes

1. See our comments in the previous
issue.
2. Ibid
 
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I've read the article.

Seems to be saying that the tree's root was Abraham.
Abraham can represent both the circumcision and the uncircumcision (ie. Israel only by natural seed/offspring, or the whole world by a spiritual seed).

The root (Abraham) bore natural branches that became Israel.
But when Israel was cut off, the tree becomes the whole world (all nations) because even though the tree of Israel is cut down, the root still remains, and the wild/unnatural branches of another tree are grafted in.
This same tree that was once only natural branches of Israel (whether they were all believers or not), has now become a tree of the whole world (but only for believers - Jew or Gentile).

The writer goes on to say that this new tree will also be cut down (but the root remains). He say this new tree that gets cut down is the BOC, and the 'cutting down' is the removal from earth (the rapture).
And the root then springs forth natural branches again (returning to Israel).



My comments:
There seem to be 3 trees.
1. Israel - natural.
This tree has both believers and unbelievers.​

2. Gentiles - wild/unnatural.
This tree has both believers and unbelievers.​

The entire 1st tree is axed down (Israel no longer a nation of it's own, but is now considered as any other nation ---- ie. everyone is now a Gentile).
That's the cutting off of Israel - for a time.

3. The whole world, but only believers - both natural and unnatural, ie. Jew or Gentile. All unbelieving branches (Jew or Gentile) have been broken off.
This tree get raptured, and then the root springs forth Israel again.


Am I following correctly?
 

Danoh

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A Summary of the Above

A Summary of the Above

In the above, the issue is access by faith - unto all and upon all without distinction.

Are the Gentiles taking hold of this offer, or are they going to become highminded until the offer is no longer on the table?

All Israel had direct access to God’s blessing, and was to be a witness of said blessing.

Israel had access to faith by Covenant, but instead became high minded. The name of God blasphemed among the nations due to these so called Jews...of God.

When the fulness of time was come toward Israel’s day, most of Israel rejected the very means which will one day enable their prophesied witness among the nations: faith in the gospel of their salvation.

But God had planned not to allow Israel to continue its’ prophesied course towards His wrath; the very means by which He will solve for Israel’s rebellion towards His plan and purpose in Israel on the Earth.

He’d planned to temporarily cut that off and reveal a temporarily standing Mystery salvation unto all without distinction: its standing offer also accessible by faith, but only until its fullness. be come in.

After which God will cut off its access and turn to His short work in the righteousness of His wrath upon the Earth: that Israel be purged of its rebellion, per His Covenant with them.

Acts 3: 24, 25-26; Acts 13: 45-46, 47-48; 1 Thess. 2: 14, 15-16; Rom. 9:27-28; Rom. 11: 7, 11-12, 20-21, 25-27; 2 Thess. 2: 1-14.
 

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I've read the article.

Seems to be saying that the tree's root was Abraham.
Abraham can represent both the circumcision and the uncircumcision (ie. Israel only by natural seed/offspring, or the whole world by a spiritual seed).

The root (Abraham) bore natural branches that became Israel.
But when Israel was cut off, the tree becomes the whole world (all nations) because even though the tree of Israel is cut down, the root still remains, and the wild/unnatural branches of another tree are grafted in.
This same tree that was once only natural branches of Israel (whether they were all believers or not), has now become a tree of the whole world (but only for believers - Jew or Gentile).

The writer goes on to say that this new tree will also be cut down (but the root remains). He say this new tree that gets cut down is the BOC, and the 'cutting down' is the removal from earth (the rapture).
And the root then springs forth natural branches again (returning to Israel).



My comments:
There seem to be 3 trees.
1. Israel - natural.
This tree has both believers and unbelievers.​

2. Gentiles - wild/unnatural.
This tree has both believers and unbelievers.​

The entire 1st tree is axed down (Israel no longer a nation of it's own, but is now considered as any other nation ---- ie. everyone is now a Gentile).
That's the cutting off of Israel - for a time.

3. The whole world, but only believers - both natural and unnatural, ie. Jew or Gentile. All unbelieving branches (Jew or Gentile) have been broken off.
This tree get raptured, and then the root springs forth Israel again.


Am I following correctly?

The root is God.

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

The old branch was cut off.

Jesus is the branch which grew out of the roots.

There can be no new branch out of the roots.

God's Israel is Christ and all who believe IN Him.

Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
Amo 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.
Amo 8:4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,
Amo 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
Amo 8:6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?
Amo 8:7 The LORD hath sworn by the excellency of Jacob, Surely I will never forget any of their works.
Amo 8:8 Shall not the land tremble for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and it shall rise up wholly as a flood; and it shall be cast out and drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.
Amo 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
Amo 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amo 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
Amo 8:13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
Amo 8:14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

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Danoh

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I've read the article.

Seems to be saying that the tree's root was Abraham.
Abraham can represent both the circumcision and the uncircumcision (ie. Israel only by natural seed/offspring, or the whole world by a spiritual seed).

The root (Abraham) bore natural branches that became Israel.
But when Israel was cut off, the tree becomes the whole world (all nations) because even though the tree of Israel is cut down, the root still remains, and the wild/unnatural branches of another tree are grafted in.
This same tree that was once only natural branches of Israel (whether they were all believers or not), has now become a tree of the whole world (but only for believers - Jew or Gentile).

The writer goes on to say that this new tree will also be cut down (but the root remains). He say this new tree that gets cut down is the BOC, and the 'cutting down' is the removal from earth (the rapture).
And the root then springs forth natural branches again (returning to Israel).



My comments:
There seem to be 3 trees.
1. Israel - natural.
This tree has both believers and unbelievers.​

2. Gentiles - wild/unnatural.
This tree has both believers and unbelievers.​

The entire 1st tree is axed down (Israel no longer a nation of it's own, but is now considered as any other nation ---- ie. everyone is now a Gentile).
That's the cutting off of Israel - for a time.

3. The whole world, but only believers - both natural and unnatural, ie. Jew or Gentile. All unbelieving branches (Jew or Gentile) have been broken off.
This tree get raptured, and then the root springs forth Israel again.


Am I following correctly?

Two Trees:

One tree (representing access) was cut down; another (representing access) was grafted in.

This second one (the world) will be cut off, and the prior one (Israel) will one day be grafted back in.
 

Danoh

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There is no tree today and those who are saved aren't graffed in to anything, but baptized into the one Body by one Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV).

Respectfully, heir, your two mysteries understanding - one prophesied, one hid in God, has you concluding that.

Access into the Body is the other tree; as is its agency responsibility.

Frankly, I see too many holes in this two mystery understanding you hold to.

Romans 9-11 continues where Romans 1 thru 3 lead to and then shifted gear into Body truth until Romans 9 thru 11...

And Romans 11 is 1 Thessalonians 2 some years prior to Romans:

13. For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of
God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
14. For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15. Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16. Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Verse 14 refers to their being followers in the sense of their same sufferings from their own countrymen.

While verse 15 and 16 are not only in light of Acts 7:51-53, of what Paul will later write in Romans 2, but in Romans 9 thru 11.

While 2 Thessalonians 2 is the cutting off Paul will later write about in Romans 11.

And Romans 1 thru 3 and 9 thru 11 are Ephesians 2.

While Romans 8 is Ephesians 1 and 3 and 2 Timothy 2.

Romans 16: 26 is 1 Cor. 14:37, and other like passages.

And do you really expect that the Romans did not have copies of Paul's writings all that time prior to the Romans Epistle?

Respectfully, these are just some of the various holes I see in your two mystery assertion.

One Mystery comprised of various aspects unique to it, well, okay.
 

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While I can see how he tries to make Abraham the root of the tree since he is the father of the circumcision (Israel) and the uncircumcision (all nations).

But wouldn't Abe need to be included as a branch, and therefore could not be the root?
 

heir

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Respectfully, heir, your two mysteries understanding - one prophesied, one hid in God, has you concluding that.

Access into the Body is the other tree; as is its agency responsibility.
Access into the Body is by the faith of Jesus Christ, not a tree!

Ephesians 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
 

Danoh

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Access into the Body is by the faith of Jesus Christ, not a tree!

Ephesians 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Where too much all at once will tend to overcomplicate a thing; too little too soon, will tend to oversimplify it.

There is no tree, or branches, etc., that is just a metaphor.

It is a means of a picture Paul had hoped to communicate all this through.

By means of an everyday part of their lives as a metaphor: Olive trees so much a part of Israeli, Greek and Italian culture to this very day.

In this metaphor, the tree represents access to the blessing that flows from its root.

Its' branches representing those availed access to that blessing.

But it is then on them to avail themselves of its offer by faith, while the day of salvation is still on the table.

Prior to Israel's fall the access was by the covenant work of circumcision.

While, availing oneself of the blessing said access offered was through keeping the Law by faith.

With Israel's failure under the Law... the Law having completed its work of proving Israel under sin with the world... the way was made clear for that righteousness which is not by works which we have done (circumcision), but by the faith of Christ, for God's great love wherewith he loved us.

This side of Israel's fall, access is now “unto all” and without distinction, but availing oneself of it is “upon all them that believe.”

This too, is access to the blessing made available to all; one still has to avail oneself of it, by faith.

Thus, Paul's second tree metaphor; the wild Olive tree and its branches.

Paul actually began all this in Romans 1 thru 3.
 

Danoh

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While I can see how he tries to make Abraham the root of the tree since he is the father of the circumcision (Israel) and the uncircumcision (all nations).

But wouldn't Abe need to be included as a branch, and therefore could not be the root?

Actually he represents more than one aspect – the blessing in him, thus; the root, but also the tree, the branches, and the recipient.

The blessing (Christ) flows from the root (Abe) in, to and through the tree (Abe) to the branch (Abe).

Said blessing of which the branch has to avail itself of by faith (Abe), while said access is being offered, or lose out when it is cut off.

The branch has been given access (unto all) but has to avail itself of said blessing (and upon all that believe).

Abe believed God, and by that his grafting in became permanent.

By that, he became the father of them that should thereafter believe, whether in circumcision (Prophecy)...

Or in uncircumcision (Mystery) when the former (Prophecy) was temporarily cut off.
 

Danoh

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Without a proper, thorough understanding of Romans 1 thru 3, all that is built on afterwards, will often up off-base.

What one often finds in off-base assertions is the result of a first impression, surface level reading of those three chapters.

Those three chapters hold the key to a proper understanding of all the rest.

Meaning, in depth study not only of their phrases, passages, and their parts, but of many of their individual words, as much from one part of those three chapters will often shed light on much of one of its other parts.
 

heir

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Without a proper, thorough understanding of Romans 1 thru 3, all that is built on afterwards, will often up off-base.
I agree. Without an understanding that the Romans had a faith (IN Jesus Christ) and were resting in the law, but had yet to hear Paul's gospel where the righteousness of God without the law which is by faith OF Jesus Christ is revealed and would take them from faith to faith establishing them into the Body of Christ will definitely cause one to build on a faulty foundation!
 

Danoh

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I agree. Without an understanding that the Romans had a faith (IN Jesus Christ) and were resting in the law, but had yet to hear Paul's gospel where the righteousness of God without the law which is by faith OF Jesus Christ is revealed and would take them from faith to faith establishing them into the Body of Christ will definitely cause one to build on a faulty foundation!

Respectfully, heir, one would be hard pressed to find that taught anywhere by Paul, other than what, admittedly, appears to me is the result of a first impression reading of key passages, their various phrases, and their words, together with a too soon concluding on same, from same, as to their actually intended sense.

I don't mean that as a derogatory, rather; that is my impression.

Certainly, you can allow someone that much; especially one willing to explore these issues with you.

What I see is that even a word study of key words and or phrases alone, as used by Paul just in the 1st three chapters of Romans alone, will not yield this understanding you assert.

What key passages, phrases, and or words, are you basing your above assertions on?
 

heir

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Respectfully, heir, one would be hard pressed to find that taught anywhere by Paul, other than what, admittedly, appears to me is the result of a first impression reading of key passages, their various phrases, and their words, together with a too soon concluding on same, from same, as to their actually intended sense.

I don't mean that as a derogatory, rather; that is my impression.

Certainly, you can allow someone that much; especially one willing to explore these issues with you.

What I see is that even a word study of key words and or phrases alone, as used by Paul just in the 1st three chapters of Romans alone, will not yield this understanding you assert.

What key passages, phrases, and or words, are you basing your above assertions on?


Without an understanding that the Romans had a faith IN Jesus Christ (Romans 1:1-4 KJV, Romans 1:8 KJV) and were resting in the law (Romans 2:17-25 KJV), but had yet to hear Paul's gospel (Romans 1:9-16 KJV) where the righteousness of God without the law which is by faith OF Jesus Christ is revealed (Romans 3:21-22 KJV) and would take them from faith to faith (Romans 1:15-17 KJV) establishing them (Romans 1:11-12 KJV) into the Body of Christ will definitely cause one to build on a faulty foundation!
 
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