The incarnation was no error.
Perfect man, perfect God.
Richard Holland: God, Time, and the Incarnation Pt 3
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Perfect man, perfect God.
Nang
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Your error is thinking God "humanized Himself."
That statement needs much more thought on your part.
The beginning was the beginning of time and the other end shall be the end of time. Also known as the Alpha and the Omega that Messiah said He was. There is nothing visible or in visible that was not created by Him and that includes all forms of measurement of which time is just one.
''For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:''
''All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.''
PS there is no time in eternity.
PPS time and times are used 764 times in scripture and it first usage defines the need for time. Gen 4:3 and the last usage is also enlightening Rev 22:10
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Asserting the truth of what you believe and not dealing with the rational objections is no way to conduct a debate.
Your verse says that "all things created" were created by God. The premise is that time was not created. Can you explain why it is necessary that time be created?
We can show you why it is necessary that everything physical be created. However, time -- like love, truth, logic, life and numerous other real, but intangible, things -- is not physical.
By its very nature eternity does not have nor need time. In creation it was necessary to have time. If instead of trying to deny the truth you got yourself a Bible and checked the verses I gave then you may, but probably won't, discover the necessity of time as a measurement and its purpose in being created.
Love wasn't created and neither was truth, nor life, but time was.
Love wasn't created and neither was truth, nor life, but time was.
:AMR:
1. You just made this up.
2. Eternity does have time; we are in it.
You kind of have to say that, don't you? :chuckle:
You forgot to start dealing rationally with the subject.
You know some things were not created and they all have one thing in common -- they are non-physical.
Time, likewise, is not a physical entity.
Time is not a thing.
Again, God did not create movement or communication.
Made up.
It should be, but I don't think you thought that through. :chuckle:
In eternity there are no broken pencils.
The reason for this is simple. If there were a broken pencil in eternity then there would have to have been a ''time'' when the pencil was whole. Eternity has no beginning and no end…..hence the term eternal.
If there were a broken pencil in eternity then it would mean there was scope for imperfection at the Throne….perish the thought.
PS eternal….Being without beginning or end. Perpetual, timeless, uninterrupted or endless.
What in the blue blazes are you on about? :AMR:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
A pencil is a thing. Time is not a thing. You cannot break time.
Time can be wasted, time can be saved, time can be spent and time can be invested. Time is what man has been made a slave to since the industrial revolution and the setting of SMT.
Time was set in place and is maintained for a purpose, but you and your kind will always deny the purpose, the Eternal Purpose and pleasure of the Almighty.
How could prophesies that were time determined have come to pass at the ''appointed hour''?
Time was set in place and is maintained for a purpose, but you and your kind will always deny the purpose, the Eternal Purpose and pleasure of the Almighty.
How could prophesies that were time determined have come to pass at the ''appointed hour''?
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Nang
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This is exactly why the OT argues against God's use of time. Time is the basis for all history, which God determines, predicts, and accomplishes. All things decreed by God happen to the very hour, prophesied by God.
This demolishes their very premise, that God does not know how all things will work out, or what contingencies might have to be dealt with.
Time is not an attribute of God as they want others to think. It is a limitation under which man functions according to the sovereign RULE of their Maker.
Time is their rule, decreed by the RULER of the universe, to evidence His total control over all the works of His hand.
Open Theists deny time as being created, controlled, because they think man can control his surrounds and GOD WAITS upon them to see how things work out.
This is mere Deism at best, and terrible heresy at worst.
Describing concepts does not turn non-physical things into physical things.
You need to start approaching this discussion rationally instead of playing word games.
Asserting the truth of your idea is no compelling reason to accept it.
Good planning and execution. :up:
Nang
TOL Subscriber
Time is a natural law.
God writes all laws; both natural and formal.
Law issues forth and is evidenced IN ALL CREATION.
Can you even define what a "thing" is apart from what God has revealed to you in creation and in His Laws?
Nang
TOL Subscriber
"Things" do not necessarily need to be physical or tangible, to be "things."
Time is a real thing that affects the entire created universe and the lives of all contained on this earth.
Making up things to say is not a compelling argument.
I think you need to understand the challenges each side faces and struggles to answer before making declarations whose consequences you cannot fathom. :chuckle:
Nope. It is a real thing only in that we can think about it. It is entirely non-physical and thus uncreated.
You are not helping to prove your case. Movement and communication effect the entire created universe, yet they are as eternal as God.
You have yet to understand that just because something is within creation does not exclude it from being outside creation. Truth, love, movement, communication, relationship, time, etc. are both within and outside of creation.
Nang
TOL Subscriber
Do you deny the Godly laws of nature?
Do you deny the moral Law?
Do you think I made these things up?
I think I understand the discussion just fine. :chuckle:
Non-physical, intangible, and uncreate do not equate.
Nang
TOL Subscriber
You fail to distinguish between Godly attributes and God's creation.
You have yet to understand that the creation was designed to manifest the attributes, majesty of Being, Laws, and purposes of God Almighty.
Such is the reason for there being a time created for every season; a time created for every event in the life of man. Ecclesiastes Chapter 3