I may be mistaken, but I believe that Tambora was just saying that love, truth, and life are also within creation, and yet exist outside creation.
Richard Holland: God, Time, and the Incarnation Pt 3
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At certain times I have been known to be silly especially for my niece Hannah who is 5 yrs old. There are certain things that I am ignorant of and certain things I chose to remain ignorant of.
Now instead of attacking me personally would you care to address my post just like a big boy would?
Maybe explain that if 'in the beginning' doesn't mean the beginning of time what does it mean?
It means the beginning of creation.
Please see the rest of the posts in this thread, having already discussed why time is not created.
Nang
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Well, whatever her intentions, I comprehend the distinctions between attributes of God (love, truth, life) and energies of God (movement, communication).
Time is not an attribute of God; nor is time an energy of God.
Time is a purposed creation of God.
Time is because God is. Time is uncreated, just as movement and communication are uncreated. There is movement, communication, and time within creation, just as there is outside of creation. There are events outside of creation, and between those events - time. In fact, when God communicated "Let Us..." there was a beginning and an end to that communication, just as there is a beginning and an end when God moves, all of which is outside of creation. There are also beginnings and endings within creation.
Nang
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Events are "happenings," "history." What events, or happenings do you know about outside of creation, and how do you know about them?
I believe in eternal decrees (covenantal communication within the Godhead), but these issue forth from the mind and will of God. They were not "events." The "let us" declaration was such a decree issued forth during the "event" of creation; thus the beginning of time, heavens, earth, animals, man, etc.
Speculation about such matters does not cut it. You must have Godly evidence to back up your theories . . . or repent of an erroneous and big imagination.
Nimrod
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And there is a good example why Open Theism is a Cult.
Nang, you are seeing monsters where there are none.
The list I was adding to was about Sozo talking about things like communication and movement that exist but are not created.
Then, according to you, your god never moved or communicated before he created, just because we do not have a Biblical record.
To those of the demonically inspired "settled view" cult, it would appear that way.
Great.
That's why I responded to this thread that Jefferson posted about the interview videos. To discuss the points brought up in the videos.
Did you listen to the videos (parts 1-4)?
There is going to be more, but that's all they have so far. Not sure how many more days Bob will broadcast with this guest, Richard Holland.
They have raised some points that should be discussed.
Nimrod
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God did a fair job of humanizing Himself with His incarnation.
God is not "finite", and He is also not a static robot preached by settled view perverts.
Nimrod's god did not come in the flesh.
I've often wondered that myself.
Nang
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Nang
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This is flippant and serious error, Tam . . .
Nang
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You are wondering about a false claim . . .
Do you believe everything you read on the internet?