Reconciled to God while enemies !

Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
What is the Word of Reconciliation ?

What is the Word of Reconciliation ?

2 Cor 5:19,17

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Exactly what is this word of Reconciliation ? The Word of Reconciliation is actually found in Vs 17, All for whom Christ died are by His Death alone, legally before God's Law and Justice, a New Creature or Creation :

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Everyone Christ died for and rose from the dead in behalf of, are in Him and by that a New Creature !

This Message of Reconciliation is a fact accomplished for all whom He died, and all of them have a declared standing of having been Reconciled to God, and no sins can be imputed to/against them Vs 19

All for whom He died, their sins against God have all been purged away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Because of what Christ has done, all for whom He died are in a New Relationship with God .

The point is, their Faith is not what made them New Creatures, the Work of Christ did that alone, not even the Spirit did that at first; but Faith is called forth in the preaching of the Word of

Truth/Reconciliation, that those who are Spiritually alive are persuaded of that accomplished fact; So it is that we Trust Christ if we are already New Creatures.

In this we do not Trust Christ in order to be made New Creatures, but we Trust Him because we were made New Creatures. All who are made New Creatures positionally by His Death and Resurrection, are given life and Faith[By the Spirit] to become New Creatures experientially.

Paul Preaches in Reconciliation, that all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ 2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Because of His Death alone, believers had a New Creation status of being Reconciled to God [while enemies], all that had been written against them as Per Col 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

All things pertaining to their sins and transgressions against God's Law, that made us guilty have been taken away from the record books, expunged,wiped out, so that they have been exonerated from them,so that not any of them will ever have to fear this scenario Rev 20:11-15, even though their names will concern one of those books then [The Book of Life] but for all others, the books record their evil deeds and iniquities against God's Holy Law and Gospel, and they shall be sentenced accordingly.

But the Message of Reconciliation is that the very sins the reprobate will be punished for, those very same type sins were never charged to those Christ died for, for in His Death, God was not charging them their Trespasses against them. This is the Word of Reconciliation.
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Amen and Hallelujah Brother ! To God be the Glory !
 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Reconciliation is Justification for the simple fact its acceptance, reception, approval with God ! Its the greek word katallassō:

I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)

B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one

C.
to receive one into favour

In God's Favor they are in a state of being approved !

We are approved of God by Christ's Death Rom 5:10. Remember what God said to cain here Gen 4:7

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

God is telling him , if thou do what ir right,do thoroughly and thou wilt be approved, received into favor, lifted up !

Now God told him that knowing that none doeth well or right ! Ps 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Ecclesiastes 7:20

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Rom 3:12

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

However God's People, the Seed of the Women, are accepted with Him by the Seed of the Women Rev 12 doing well, and so we are reconciled [received into favor] by the Death of His Son + nothing ! which pleased Him for us, Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

God told cain that if he did well he would be received/accepted, but the Holy Seed, its if Christ doeth well that we should be accepted, See the difference ? Those who base their acceptance with God by them doing well, that's the way of cain Jude 1:11

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Seeking acceptance with God in themselves doing well ! And Acceptance with God is Our Justification !
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Amen Brother, excellent Teaching and Testimony !

Indeed Our Reconciliation and acceptance with God has nothing to do with works we perform in the flesh; doing well in ourselves as false religion maintains.

However, the Justification of all God's elect, Christ's Seed Eph 1:4, is strictly by His Death / Blood on their behalf; which alone completely satisfied God's Law and Justice; that of Christ who doeth well for them, Reconciling His Holy Seed into the Favor of God based upon His Death on their behalf, plus nothing.
 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Romans 5:10 Reconciled as Enemies !

Romans 5:10 Reconciled as Enemies !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Yes Paul is speaking as a Believer to other believers, but it is instructive as to what he writes accordingly, he writes that they were or had been reconciled to God, while they were enemies, unbelievers, by His Son's Death !

How can and are sinners, who by nature, and while being active enemies to God, hating Him and at enmity with Him in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

How could they nevertheless have been at that time reconciled to a Holy God ?

The scripture tells us, it was by the Death of His Son, Rom 5:10, which means His Death alone, while they were being enemies, had legally removed their guilt before God's Law and Justice, their slate had been wiped clean,and except for that men, cannot be legally reconciled to God and be guilt and condemnation free !

Now this applies only to believers , when they were not yet believers !

All others, while unbelievers and enemies are yet condemned already Jn 3:18 and under God's wrath without hope of ever seeing life Jn 3:36 !
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Exactly Brother, so we can reasonably conclude that those already condemned John 3:18 were never any Christ died for, and so shall remain under God's wrath permanently John 3:36.

Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Nanja said:
Exactly Brother, so we can reasonably conclude that those already condemned John 3:18 were never any Christ died for, and so shall remain under God's wrath permanently John 3:36.

Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Exactly Sister !
 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Reconciled unto blamelessness !

Reconciled unto blamelessness !

All for whom Christ died, by His death alone, even while they were enemies, unbelievers, by nature children of wrath, they even then were by His death reconciled to God Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now, being reconciled to God while enemies, they had the promise of being saved by His Life.

Also they have another promise to look forward to Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death[Rom 5:10], to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

All those Christ's death alone reconciled to God while they were enemies, they shall all be by that be presented Holy, and Unblameable, and unreprovable in His sight !

If this does not happen to all for whom He died, then His death was an utter failure !
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Amen Brother! The word reconcile in Col. 1:21 is the Greek word apokatallasso, and means to reconcile completely and totally;
and that without any intervention of the person himself; but solely by the death / blood of Christ on their behalf,
and that's even while His Elect were being unbelievers and His enemies Rom. 5:10!

Hence they were Reconciled unto Blamelessness !

Eph. 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 
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marke

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beloved57 said:
Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !
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God reconciled the world to Himself
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

But sinners still need to obey God's command to be reconciled to God.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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marke said:
God reconciled the world to Himself
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

But sinners still need to obey God's command to be reconciled to God.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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The Elect World.
 
beloved57

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Many give advantage to faith or mans act of believing in reconciliation, and say one isn't reconciled to God until they believe, they give this advantage over Christ and His Death/Cross, which is adverse to the scripture of truth:

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

2 Cor 5:18

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by[Cross Implied] Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Another Gospel writer wrote :

In ascribing ones reconciliation to faith, in whole or part, its a slight /affront to the Lord Jesus Christ, and trample upon Him, by making Him a partial saviour. Its also said that faith is the cause of Justification; do not our Salvation and eternal happiness depend on these things , Reconciliation and Justification ? And you ascribe the like to faith ? Tobias Crisp.
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What the writer recognizes is to say such is actually making ones faith saviour rather than Christ !
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Its not possible for those who were reconciled to God while enemies, to go to hell. The reason why is because they being reconciled by His death, SHALL BE Saved by His Life, observe Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now is all the world without exception to be saved by His Life ? The answer is No ! So Christ could not have died for the unreconciled !
 
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marke

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beloved57 said:
Its not possible for those who were reconciled to God while enemies, to go to hell. The reason why is because they being reconciled by His death, SHALL BE Saved by His Life, observe Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now is all the world without exception to be saved by His Life ? The answer is No ! So Christ could not have died for the unreconciled !
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Once a person has repented of his sins and Jesus has saved him he can no longer go to hell. Just because God reconciled the world unto Himself by the death of His Son does not mean He was joking when he sent missionaries into all the earth to command, in God's stead, all sinners to repent and be reconciled to God.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

2 Corinthians 5

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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marke said:
Once a person has repented of his sins and Jesus has saved him he can no longer go to hell. Just because God reconciled the world unto Himself by the death of His Son does not mean He was joking when he sent missionaries into all the earth to command, in God's stead, all sinners to repent and be reconciled to God.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

2 Corinthians 5

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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Works Salvation !
 
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