Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Epoisses]

Jesus died for all men and is the savior of the world or 2nd Adam. All men have been justified, sanctified and glorified in Christ's incarnated body thus fully redeeming the failure of the 1st Adam. Now we know that all men will not experience Salvation like B57 and the reason of course is they don't believe.

 

[Nanja]

Reconciled and alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord !

The Elect those Christ lived and died for, are reconciled to God, put into a right relationship with Him, saved from their sins, the penalty of sin,while they are enemies, unbelievers, even while hating God Rom 5:10. Now how can this be ? How can wretched, rebellious sinners possibly in a right favorable relationship with God, as if they have never sinned ? Its because of the death of Christ for them, and its because they are in Christ their Head. Folks all for whom Christ died are in Him, or He could not have died for them, neither could have their sins been legally charged to Him, if they weren't in Him ! Now just as Christ died unto sin for them, and was raised to live unto God Rom 6:9-10

[FONT="]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="]10 For in that he died, he died unto sin [for His Sheep] once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God[for his Sheep].


So those He lived and died for, and was raised up for, when He was made live unto God[after death], so they also are made alive unto God through or in Him Rom 6:11

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The greek word through here is [/FONT] en, in, on, among.

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]en (a preposition) – properly, [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]in ([/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]inside, with[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]in); (figuratively) [/FONT]"in the realm (sphere) of," as in the condition (state) [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]in which something operates from the [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]inside (with[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]in).[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They are alive unto God in their Head the Lord Jesus Christ. Its the same principle as when the Elect were alive unto God in Adam before the fall. Man was in a state of friendship/fellowship with God, in Adam the first before the transgression, likewise redeemed man is alive and reconciled to God, while being enemies, in Jesus Christ their Lord. They are just as alive to God in Christ as Christ is alive unto God, as their Surety Head so that is why the elect are reconciled to God, even while enemies ![/FONT]

Perfectly stated!

All God's Elect, or Sheep, were always in a state of being reconciled to God, being Chosen in Union with their Surety Head Is. 53:6, who was slain in the Eternal Purpose of God before the foundation of the world Rev. 13:8 exclusively for them.

Rom. 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


So although the elect are born into this world dead in sins, yet they are already reconciled to God, Justified / Saved, being chosen by God In Union with their Surety who Lived and Died, and was raised up on their behalf Eph. 2:5-6.

 

[beloved57]

Perfectly stated!

All God's Elect, or Sheep, were always in a state of being reconciled to God, being Chosen in Union with their Surety Head Is. 53:6, who was slain in the Eternal Purpose of God before the foundation of the world Rev. 13:8 exclusively for them.

Rom. 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


So although the elect are born into this world dead in sins, yet they are already reconciled to God, Justified / Saved, being chosen by God In Union with their Surety who Lived and Died, and was raised up on their behalf Eph. 2:5-6.

Amen Sister. The Elect are born into this world alive unto God through thier Lord Jesus Christ.

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[Nanja]

Amen Sister. The Elect are born into this world alive unto God through thier Lord Jesus Christ.

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Absolutely Brother PTL!

 

[intojoy]

"The Gospel of Christ is the power of God "to every one that believeth" (Romans 1:16).

O limit not the grace of God.

A Savior is provided for the very chief of sinners (1 Timothy 1:15)."

(A.W. Pink)

Chicken wing or leg?


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[beloved57]

Reconciled to God apart from conditions performed by the reconciled !

This is a Truth the religion of man cannot receive, its foolishness to the religion of man 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated. AMP

Now how is it we know for sure that God has been reconciled to man, and man to God without man performing any conditions whatsoever ? Simple, Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Tis because they were enemies when this reconciliation was made ! It was made by the Death of Christ, not by any conditions performed by them.

 

[beloved57]

Reconciliation while enemies consist of Non Imputation of Sin !

Now Rom 5:10 teaches, confirms limited reconciliation/atonement by many ways, and one way is the Grand Fact that Reconciliation inheres with the non imputation of sin. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now we know that this fact doesnt apply to all without exception, for we read of the people of the beast this Rev 18:4-6

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

The Reconciled People have this promise Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[Nanja]

Reconciliation while enemies consist of Non Imputation of Sin !

Now Rom 5:10 teaches, confirms limited reconciliation/atonement by many ways, and one way is the Grand Fact that Reconciliation inheres with the non imputation of sin. 2 Cor 5:19

19 [FONT=&]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, ​not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now we know that this fact doesnt apply to all without exception, for we read of the people of the beast this Rev 18:4-6

[/FONT][FONT=&]4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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[FONT=&]5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
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[FONT=&]6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

The Reconciled People have this promise Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.[/FONT]

Exactly as you have shown Brother, the scriptures clearly demonstrate limited reconciliation / atonement; that there are two distinct types of people in the world of mankind:

Those who were reconciled to God while enemies by the Death of Christ by non imputation of sin, which make up the World whose sins the Lamb takes away John 1:29; Is. 53:6; Saved from the Wrath of God by the Blood of the Lamb Rom. 5:9; Rev. 13:8.


And that also, there are those whom God has remembered their iniquities Rev. 18:5, a condemned world, which shall drink of the wine of God's Wrath in the presence of the holy angels, and the Lamb:

Rev. 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

[beloved57]

Nanja

Those who were reconciled to God while enemies by the Death of Christ by non imputation of sin, which make up the World whose sins the Lamb takes away John 1:29;

Amen Sister, also this is the World that was originally in Adam before the fall. The World of the ungodly was added to Adams natural headship later after the fall, so God would bring the condemned world of the serpents seed into the World. So two different worlds would naturally proceed from Adam's loins.

 

[Nanja]

Nanja



Amen Sister, also this is the World that was originally in Adam before the fall. The World of the ungodly was added to Adams natural headship later after the fall, so God would bring the condemned world of the serpents seed into the World. So two different worlds would naturally proceed from Adam's loins.

Agree Brother, all those originally in Adam, the Federal Head of all the Elect, were the Chosen in Christ Eph. 1:4-5: The World of Christ's Seed predestinated to be conformed to the Image of God's Son Rom. 8:29.

But those added to Adam's posterity after the fall was the world of the seed / generation of the serpent, the devil.


Here, Jesus puts Cain in the generation of the serpent:

Mat. 23:31-36
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Children of their father the devil:

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ps. 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

 

[beloved57]

Agree Brother, all those originally in Adam, the Federal Head of all the Elect, were the Chosen in Christ Eph. 1:4-5: The World of Christ's Seed predestinated to be conformed to the Image of God's Son Rom. 8:29.

But those added to Adam's posterity after the fall was the world of the seed / generation of the serpent, the devil.


Here, Jesus puts Cain in the generation of the serpent:

Mat. 23:31-36
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Children of their father the devil:

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ps. 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

Amen Sister!

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[beloved57]

Objective Reconciliation first !

All of Gods Elect, or Sheep, or the Church of God had been objectively reconciled to God when they were still yet being enemies. This blessing of reconciliation is not by faith, its not because of believing, but its accomplished by the death of Christ Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. The alienation between the elect and God they have by nature See Col 1:21 has been removed objectively by the death of Christ. They shall at some point however be reconciled subjectively by the life of Christ when He quickens them with new life.

The Elect are reconciled to God objectively in Christ their Head who is reconciled to God subjectively after having been forsaken of God when He bare the curse of the Law for them Gal 3:13. Its like when the elect were in a right relationship at the first when yet in the loins of Adam before he sinned, so likewise the elect are in a objectively right relationship of reconciliation in Christ with God before they believe and are yet born enemies !

I would like to give credit to writer we best for his sharing the light God has given him in a writing titled " Life brought to light "

 

[Nanja]

Objective Reconciliation first !

All of Gods Elect, or Sheep, or the Church of God had been objectively reconciled to God when they were still yet being enemies. This blessing of reconciliation is not by faith, its not because of believing, but its accomplished by the death of Christ Rom 5:10

10 [FONT="]For if,[U][B] when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,[/B][/U] much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. The alienation between the elect and God they have by nature See Col 1:21 has been removed objectively by the death of Christ. They shall at some point however be reconciled subjectively by the life of Christ when He quickens them with new life.

The Elect are reconciled to God objectively in Christ their Head who is reconciled to God subjectively after having been forsaken of God when He bare the curse of the Law for them Gal 3:13. Its like when the elect were in a right relationship at the first when yet in the loins of Adam before he sinned, so likewise the elect are in a objectively right relationship of reconciliation in Christ with God before they believe and are yet born enemies !

I would like to give credit to writer we best for his sharing the light God has given him in a writing titled " Life brought to light " .[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]


[COLOR="#006400"]TY Brother, Excellent !

 

[beloved57]

So we know that Christs death wasn't for all without exception when we honestly consider Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Understand, those who had been reconciled to God while enemies, the promise unto them is that they shall be saved [future tense passive voice] by Christ's Life !

Now since we know scripture doesn't teach that all without exception will be saved, because Jesus says some shall not see life, which is future tense Jn 3:36, hence Christ couldn't have died for them, or His word is false and untrue !

 

[beloved57]

Now Christ's death for the Elect does bring about their subjective reconciliation to God [conversion] 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[Nanja]

So we know that Christs death wasn't for all without exception when we honestly consider Rom 5:10

10 [FONT="]For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Understand, those who had been reconciled to God while enemies, the promise unto them is that they shall be saved [future tense passive voice] by Christ's Life !

Now since we know scripture doesn't teach that all without exception will be saved, because Jesus says some shall not see life, which is future tense Jn 3:36, hence Christ couldn't have died for them, or His word is false and untrue ![/FONT]

Exactly ! Christ's Death did not reconcile to God all those who shall pay the ultimate price for their own sins Rom. 6:23a in the second death Rev. 21:8.

 

[Nanja]

Now Christ's death for the Elect does bring about their subjective reconciliation to God [conversion] 1 Pet 3:18

18 [FONT=&]For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:[/FONT]

Amen, being reconciled by Christ's Death objectively, guarantees all the Elect of God a subjective reconciliation; meaning they are made Spiritually Alive [born again John 3:6] and given Faith to Believe in Him Phil. 1:29; Titus 1:1; the Many Sons He brings to Glory: The Children God gave Him Eph. 1:4 to be the Captain of their Salvation Heb. 2:10.

 

[beloved57]

nanja

Amen, being reconciled by Christ's Death objectively, guarantees all the Elect of God a subjective reconciliation; meaning they are made Spiritually Alive [born again John 3:6] and given Faith to Believe in Him

Exactly !

 

[oatmeal]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

What Jesus Christ taught in John 3 is true since he had not yet died for our sins, thus we were not yet reconciled

 

[beloved57]

What Jesus Christ taught in John 3 is true since he had not yet died for our sins, thus we were not yet reconciled

Do you want to discuss the points made in the quote or start an evasive rabbit trail ?