Below you said you believe the prophecies of Daniel. the biggest question is: when to they begin. we know that in Dan 9:25.."Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." I have come to believe that this time is with Nehemiah 2:1.."And it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king........" Here we have the month and year when it all started. A prophecy fulfilled. 483 weeks of years that turn into after adjustments for leap years (extra lunar days, etc.) 173,880 days until day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem, April 6, 32 AD on a faithful Sunday.
And what year was that?
Present your reasoning and your evidence for it.
Great to hear about Daniel's prophecies. I accept your rejection of 32 AD.
God gave them that time in Genesis, Evening and the Morning....24 hours divided into two parts...The Romans used this timing in a little different form of 6 hours four times per day. For at midnight, "the thief in the night" would come calling and every soldier that was asleep on their watch would simple disappear, not to be seen or heard again.. Death came upon them...
I have no idea what you're talking about...
with one exception I agree...
Huh?
Since the calculations of 173,880 days landed the day Jesus rode into Jerusalem
You keep saying this, but haven't provided any support for it whatsoever.
with the 6 days before His Crucifixion at Bethany (in scripture), the 13th was Wednesday and Passover was that evening.14th. that next day was preparation for Thursday High Sabbath. Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Wednesday, 13 Nisan, was Luke 22:7-13.
Thursday was Passover, 14 Nisan. Luke 22:14 is the start of 14 Nisan, at sunset.
Friday, 15 Nisan, was the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
I know, but you ask and I explained my position as I believe that His Church is 'one body full of Jews and Gentile believers' over the thousands of years began in Acts 2. long before Paul showed up but shortly after the ascension of Jesus.
It lines up perfectly with the 4 BC birth including the death of Herod. This is another conversation. where the dates of the Bible and others play a big part in determining His actual birthday.
4 BC + 32 AD = 36 years.
Jesus did not live on this earth for 36 years.
He was crucified at 33 years old,
He started His ministry "at about thirty years of age" (Luke 3:23) and His earthly ministry lasted about three years before He was crucified (luke 13:6-9).
A 3 BC birth and 30 AD crucifixion matches perfectly. And even if it was 4 BC instead, that's still within margin of error of half a year.
32 AD, however, is not.
And I haven't even gotten into the astronomical evidence for a late-4 BC/3 BC birth yet.
Based simply on how old Jesus was when he died, as per scripture, he was EITHER Born around late-4 or 3 BC, or He died around 32 AD. It cannot be both.
I don't care. Your disagreement means nothing in the face of the evidence.
I care about the truth. You disagreeing with the truth just makes you wrong.
YES, From Sunday evening back to Bethany and back to Jerusalem on Monday, etc....the third day, rem 6 days to His death from Bethany...the 8th on Friday. Rem, Passover meal was eaten after the crucifixion
You keep saying this, but you have provided nothing to support this claim.
IOW: SAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!
And in fact, SCRIPTURE SAYS OTHERWISE!!!
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying,
“Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.” So they said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare?” And He said to them,
“Behold, when you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters. Then you shall say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, “Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?” ’ Then he will show you a large, furnished upper room; there make ready.” So they went and found it just as He had said to them, and
they prepared the Passover.
Jesus and His Disciples Prepare the Passover - Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.” So they said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare?” And He said to them, “Behold...
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and during the first three or so hours of the 14th.
Jesus couldn't eat the Passover with His disciples if He was already dead and buried, Blade!
Wednesday Evening which was considered to be Thursday. YEAH--we agree on something. lol
Did He not do that on the 3rd day (Tuesday-12th)..Biblically, I am pretty sure He did.
NO!
Tuesday was too early!
Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, “This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: ‘On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man’s need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire—its head with its legs and its entrails. You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord’s Passover.
The Passover Instituted - Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, “This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: ‘On the tenth of this month every man shall take for...
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10 Nisan - choose the lamb for the household
The lamb shall be kept UNTIL THE 14TH DAY OF THE MONTH!
14 Nisan AT TWILIGHT (iow: AFTER 6 pm ON WEDNESDAY, NOT 6 pm THURSDAY) - the passover lamb is killed and the blood is put on the doorframes, THEN THEY SHALL EAT THE LAMB THAT NIGHT.
Jesus told Peter and John to prepare the Passover lamb to be eaten.
Tuesday is MORE THAN A DAY before it was to be slain!
Jesus wanted to eat the Passover with His disciples. He couldn't do that if He was hanging on a cross, or dead and buried.
Jesus was the Passover Lamb, the Lamb slain for the sin of the world.
He died at 3 pm Thursday, 14 Nisan, ON PASSOVER, around the same time that the Passover lambs were being killed for the Passover by the Pharisees (who were not following Exodus 12!).
No, they just fit perfectly, Biblically and Historically.
No, Blade, they do not.
Luke 22 proves this.
Jesus did not tell his disciples to go prepare the Passover over a FULL DAY before the Passover!
On Tuesday, did He not tell them to make ready for the Passover meal. He already had it set up according to scriptures.
Except it wasn't Tuesday.
It was Wednesday.
See above.
You are right. Wednesday was the 13th with Sunday being the 10th...Jesus died that day and the Passover Meal was that evening 14th Nisan. You got it right, except you keep trying to make Wednesday into Thursday or something?
No.
Again:
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying,
“Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.” So they said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare?” And He said to them,
“Behold, when you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters. Then you shall say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, “Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?” ’ Then he will show you a large, furnished upper room; there make ready.” So they went and found it just as He had said to them, and
they prepared the Passover.
Jesus and His Disciples Prepare the Passover - Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.” So they said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare?” And He said to them, “Behold...
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Jesus could not have been crucified before He ate the Passover with His disciples.
He even says as much!
When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them,
“With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
Jesus Institutes the Lord’s Supper - When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom...
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All Mat and all the others as well is telling us that Mary discovered the tomb empty about the time the angel rolled back the stone..Jesus had received His new transfigured body and would have been able to be outside of the tomb minutes after 6pm the evening before. Rem, the event of His appearing in the upper room..No He did not walk through the room, He actually appeared.
Again, the scriptures are speaking of the timing of Mary's and company arrival at the tomb and their conversations before arriving on how to remove the stone.
Both of the above scriptures tell the same story but each has a little different context. Yet, they are all speaking of Mary and company arriving at the tomb at sunrise or considered 6 AM.
ok, Mar 16:9 "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week....."
When did the first day of the week happen. at 6pm last evening. It does not say morning, early in the day..and the day began at 6pm last evening...We surely are not arguing about the time He arose for it matters not.. whether it was 2 minutes after 6pm or 15 minutes before 6AM, He arose for us. Amen
You missed it.
The Greek word used means "at or around dawn."
Dawn is NOT evening.
It literally says Jesus rose early in the day, before dawn.
"Day" here is not talking about the 24-hour period.
It's talking about the period of time that the sun is above the horizon.
SPECIFICALLY, it's talking about dawn.
And the fact that the women arrived there around dawn tells us that Jesus rose BEFORE THEY ARRIVED.
Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, before dawn, not after sunset.
In John, Jesus was STILL THERE! He even spoke to Mary Magdalene!
He had just risen!
And the fact that Luke 24:7 quotes Jesus' own words, saying "and the third day rise again," is further evidence that a Wednesday crucifixion DOES NOT WORK!
ok, it is simply the way I read it, my hermeneutics.
Your hermeneutics are wrong.
It's no wonder you're having such a hard time understanding the simplest of points I'm making!
No, have look and researched the Thursday and Friday's scenarios and they simply do not fit with God's WORD.
Saying it doesn't make it so, though I agree with you on Friday's.
I would have to change something...the way I have laid it out, I have not changed anything.
Right, that's the problem.
You're not willing to change.
You're not conforming your beliefs to scripture.
You're conforming scripture to your beliefs.
I have truly given you what I believe to be true.
And I've shown you why your beliefs are wrong on this matter.
I have been researching a Bible dating based upon the 50th year (Jubilee)from the first year of Adam to 2025 (AM Dating) and then backwards (AD to BC) from 2025 to the 1st year of Adam for the last 4 years. One runs into a lot of different information both biblically and historically. Each has to be dealt with, studied, compared with other beliefs. There are many opinions/beliefs for example about dating of the fall of Judah (the 1st time) by Nebuchadnezzar. Which is true and which fits with the Bible, God's Word. Am I stubborn, Yes because I believe that Jesus has provided the answer to all questions concerning His WORD..and He certainly knows everything that has, is and will be argued about His Word.?
I do disagree with you but I am not going to trash your beliefs because I believe something else. You and the Good Lord will have to come to that arrangement and His Will will be done in His own time. By the way, has it occurred to you that we are having these discussions for a reason not known at this time. You see, I believe that He has brought us together at this time and place for reasons only He knows and will share in His own time...
How about you. why do you not see the way I have outlined His Crucifixion and Resurrection.?
I see it just fine. I see all the self-contradictions and inconsistencies it has, too.
It also doesn't comport with Scripture.
Jesus died at the same time the Passover lambs were being killed by the Pharisees. His blood covered the wood of the cross in the same way that the blood of the lambs was to cover the doorposts and the lintel.
It only makes sense for Him to be Crucified ON PASSOVER
Let alone the fact that Jesus ate the Passover early with His disciples.
Let alone the fact that He died at 33 years old.
Let alone the fact that He rose the THIRD day, on the first day of the week, before dawn (and not after sunset), and even spoke to one of the women who came to address His body.
There are plenty of other reasons that I could list, but those are the most important!
