Reconciled by the cross on this day, Thursday.

[JudgeRightly]

From the 1st calendar you used, it looks as though we are speaking of the same thing...View attachment 14197.Jesus died on Wednesday evening and arose on Sunday....The Thursday scenario simply will not work.

Did you say Jesus was risen on Saturday? No, not that I read....Do I believe you believe Jesus rose on Saturday. I said "Surely you do not" meaning "I hope not" meaning "NO", I do not believe you believe Jesus arose on Saturday.

Then you need to reread what I said.

Because nowhere in my post did I say or indicate that Christ rose on a Saturday.

Attachment 14197 is me showing you that the WEDNESDAY view requires Jesus to have risen on the FOURTH DAY, not on the third day, in contradiction to scripture.

I then showed you that the Thursday crucifixion not only has Jesus rising on Sunday, but it's also the third day after His death.

So quit straw-manning my position.

Jesus rode in on a Sunday. Your view has Him riding in on a sabbath day.



So you claim!

But in reality, YOU'RE NOT!

You can claim that's what you're doing until you're blue in the face or until the cows come home, whichever comes first, but it doesn't mean you actually are!



Thanks for that, that makes this easier to demonstrate why you're wrong.

Observe:

View attachment 14197

You have four days and three nights instead of three days and three nights, not to mention the fact that Jesus ROSE on the THIRD DAY, NOT the fourth!! Your view has Jesus rising on the fourth day!



EASY!!! Observe!

View attachment 14198



Yes. There was, in fact, two sabbath days the year Christ was crucified. And no, AD 32 doesn't have this.

Leviticus 23 tells us exactly why:

There was a High Sabbath, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, on Friday, 14 Nisan, AD 30.

And the Sunday IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING IT was the feast of Firstfruits. (Ignore the date numbers in the following image, I forgot to cross them out. As they're incorrect.

View attachment 14199



On normal sabbath days, yes, they would have had to have food for only one day.

But there is a second calendar in play (Leviticus 23) that you are completely ignoring.

The dates on this second calendar are not tied to days of the week, but rather dates in the year, meaning regardless of what day of the week it is, certain things were to be observed. The Feast of Unleavened bread was to be a day of rest, regardless of what day of the week it fell on.

The Jews would have been well aware of this second calendar, and knew when they would need to prepare an extra day of food for whenever the high sabbath and regular weekly sabbath would be back to back.



What about them?



Saying it doesn't make it so, Blade.

Assertion without evidence will be dismissed without evidence.

Present your evidence. Point out the problems.



Friday (14 Nisan) was a high sabbath (see Leviticus 23). The 8 Nisan is 6 days before the high sabbath.



Go read Exodus 12. Compare it to sequence of events surrounding the crucifixion.

Jesus entered Jerusalem on Sunday. (selection of the lamb)

Jesus was in Jerusalem for four days BEFORE Passover. (inspection of the lamb by the people.

Jesus was turned over to the High Priests Thursday evening (what we today call Wednesday night would be the start of Thursday, since the days were counted "evening then morning, not day then night) after the last supper. (inspection of the lamb by the chief priests of Israel)

Jesus was crucified at 9 am, and died around 3 pm. (the lamb was killed at the same time)

He was then taken down, because the sabbathS were approaching, and they couldn't do any work after twilight ended. (which signaled the start of Unleavened bread.

He was then in the tomb until sometime before Sunday morning, having risen ON the third day.



OHH NOOO! You were doing so well up until you said "Friday."

No, the 17th was NOT a Friday.

The problem is that you're begging the question that it was in AD 32.

The problem with that is that it doesn't fit the narrative!

Christ was crucified on Passover, was in the grave for three days and three nights, and rose ON THE THIRD DAY, a Sunday. AD 32 has the amount of time between 3pm on Passover and before 6am on Sunday as FOUR days and three nights, with Jesus rising on the fourth day, and not the third, in direct contradiction to the narrative!

Therefore, as Paul says in Romans 3:4: "Let God be true, and every man a liar," and concede that an AD 32 crucifixion does not fit the narrative.



The dates you are giving match.

The days you are giving do not.

Jesus did not rise on a Saturday. He rose on a Sunday, SPECIFICALLY on the day of the Feast of Firstfruits, because the Feast of Firstfruits is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS on the day AFTER the sabbath (Leviticus 23:11).

It is NEVER on a sabbath day, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO WHAT GOD REQUIRED OF THEM TO BECAUSE IT'S A DAY OF REST!

 

[Bladerunner]

Then you need to reread what I said.

Because nowhere in my post did I say or indicate that Christ rose on a Saturday.

Attachment 14197 is me showing you that the WEDNESDAY view requires Jesus to have risen on the FOURTH DAY, not on the third day, in contradiction to scripture.

I then showed you that the Thursday crucifixion not only has Jesus rising on Sunday, but it's also the third day after His death.

So quit straw-manning my position.

you said:"Jesus rode in on a Sunday. Your view has Him riding in on a sabbath day."

YES and it was not the Sabbath or was it according to you..The Sabbath was Friday eve 6pm until Sat eve 6pm.

Your hung up on the 4th day. Yet, since the sabbath did not end until 6pm Sat and Sunday (the fourth day) began...the only way you have of explaining the third day verses is to throw out those verses that proclaim He arose on the day after, the Next day and so forth and proclaim that He was crucified on Thursday.

How can one get using the calendar (View attachment 14199) have a crucifixion on Thursday and still get three FULL days and nights before the resurrection on the following Sunday. You cannot...You wrote on the calendar "before 6 AM" ,yet morning did not start until 6 am. Thus, according to the Calendar, one could not have three FULL Nights with a Thursday Crucifixion.

There is no use to continue, we can agree to disagree. You have your opinion and I have mine. We can agree to disagree.

Thank you for the conversation....

 

[Bladerunner]

That is not the substitution. The festivals all point to the salvation of Israel as a nation. Their day of atonement is in the future. I sort of think it wasn't all revealed to them, but much of it is, because they must endure to the end to receive their earthly inheritance.



To repent is go and sin no more. Remission is not dead to sin. See Acts 5. Or see Peter say Paul's letters are hard to understand. In Acts 2 Peter states repent and be baptized for the remission of sin, so the times of refreshing can come (future). And maybe they did understand some. But they still had to keep the law of Moses.

and a large part of the Nation Israel still do today, at least 2/3 of them.

 

[JudgeRightly]

you said:"Jesus rode in on a Sunday. Your view has Him riding in on a sabbath day."

YES

The Jews were not allowed to travel on the Sabbath.

Jesus was a law-keeping Jew. He would not have gone ANYWHERE on the Sabbath.

and it was not the Sabbath or was it according to you..

Jesus arrived in Bethany on Friday. He arrived in Jerusalem on Sunday, because he could not travel on Saturday, as Saturday is a day of rest.

The Sabbath was Friday eve 6pm until Sat eve 6pm.

Yes, thus, He could not have traveled from Bethany to Jerusalem on that day.

Your hung up on the 4th day.

Because it contradicts SCRIPTURE, you numbskull!

Yet, since the sabbath did not end until 6pm Sat and Sunday (the fourth day) began...

Then it could not have been that year.

Period.

End of story.

Reason #1: Jesus did not rise on the fourth day. He rose on the third day, after three days and three nights.
Reason #2: Jesus DID rise on a Sunday. Therefore Sunday could not have been the fourth day, because it had to have been the third day.

This isn't hard to understand, Blade.

Why are you being so belligerent on this?

the only way you have of explaining the third day verses

Is that He wasn't crucified in AD 32, but rather in AD 30.

He was crucified on Thursday, at roughly 9 am. He hung on the cross until 3 pm, when He died. He was in the grave by 6 pm. He remained in the grave for the next two and a half days, until just before dawn on Sunday morning. Thus, He rose ON THE THIRD DAY, just like Scripture says He did.

is to throw out those verses that proclaim He arose on the day after, the Next day and so forth and proclaim that He was crucified on Thursday.

Unless I missed it, I don't remember seeing where you posted the verse that says that "He arose on the day after," or, "the next day."

Yet I gave you at least 10 verses that said that Christ rose "on the third day."

How can one get using the calendar (View attachment 14199) have a crucifixion on Thursday and still get three FULL days and nights

There is ZERO requirement for a FULL three days and nights.

The Bible does not require a full three days and nights.

NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR JESUS TO HAVE BEEN IN THE GRAVE FOR A FULL THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS!!!!!

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?!

You get "three days and three nights" by starting ON THURSDAY, at the moment Christ died. That's THE FIRST DAY. Friday evening (after 6 pm on THURSDAY) starts the FIRST NIGHT. Friday 6 am starts the SECOND DAY. Saturday evening (after 6 pm on FRIDAY) starts the SECOND NIGHT. Saturday 6 am starts the THIRD DAY. Sunday evening (after 6 pm on SATURDAY) starts the THIRD NIGHT, and then Jesus rose before dawn.

He was IN THE GRAVE for 2.5 days. He rose ON THE THIRD DAY.

ONCE AGAIN:

THERE.
IS.
NO.
REQUIREMENT.
FOR.
A.
FULL.
THREE.
DAYS.
AND.
NIGHTS.

before the resurrection on the following Sunday. You cannot...

I just showed you, for the umpteenth time, how you do.

You wrote on the calendar "before 6 AM", yet morning did not start until 6 am.

Yes, because if He rose AFTER 6 am, then it would have been the START OF THE FOURTH DAY!!!!

Thus, according to the Calendar, one could not have three FULL Nights with a Thursday Crucifixion.

ONCE AGAIN:

THERE.
IS.
NO.
REQUIREMENT.
FOR.
A.
FULL.
THREE.
DAYS.
AND.
NIGHTS.

He ONLY has to be dead for longer than 2 days, and less than three days, according to the narrative.

And again, it's NOT just the fact that SCRIPTURE says "He rose on the third day."

He arrived in Bethany on 8 Nisan, 6 days before the Passover, and He arrived in Jerusalem on 10 Nisan, the day the Jews were to select a lamb to sacrifice for the Passover (Exodus 12).

This places His arrival in Bethany on a FRIDAY and His arrival in Jerusalem on a SUNDAY, because if it were shifted one day in either direction, one of those two arrivals would be ON A SABBATH DAY, on which NO TRAVEL WAS ALLOWED. This means that a Wednesday crucifixion is out, because it puts His arrival in Jerusalem on a no travel day. And it means a Friday crucifixion is out, because it puts his arrival in Bethany on a no travel day (not to mention it doesn't leave enough time for Jesus to be in the grave for three days and three nights.

And then there's the literal succession of events on the Jewish religious festival calendar, where Passover is the day when the lamb is slain, the feast of unleavened bread, and the feast of firstfruits, all three of which were implemented TO POINT TO CHRIST!!!!

JESUS is the Passover Lamb.
Jesus' body lay in the tomb for three days and nights WITHOUT DECAYING, which is what the unleavened bread represents.
Jesus is the firstborn of the dead, His resurrection also caused many others to be raised from the dead, the firstfruits of His act on the Cross.

THE ENTIRE WEEK was about HIM and HIM ALONE!

Thus, He HAD to rise on Sunday, and He HAD to die on Passover, and He HAD to arrive in Jerusalem on Sunday 10 Nisan. The only day that works therefore IS THURSDAY, because that's how math works!

There is no use to continue, we can agree to disagree. You have your opinion and I have mine. We can agree to disagree.

Thank you for the conversation....

This has nothing to do with opinions, Blade.

This isn't a matter of opinion.

This is a matter of facts. FACT: Jesus could not have been crucified on a Friday or a Wednesday, because the corresponding timeline DOES NOT MATCH THE NARRATIVE PRESENTED BY SCRIPTURE!!!

 

[Nick M]

and a large part of the Nation Israel still do today, at least 2/3 of them.

I am going to copy and paste a previous work from here from someone else. Tom from Maybank. Everlasting means everlasting.

Paulos,



While there are many reasons for circumcision other than as a religious ritual, God gave a Covenant of Circumcision to Abraham. Circumcision (a synonym for law) is a huge key to unlocking the mysteries of Scripture. When a Jew was circumcised on the eighth day, he automaticall came under the Covenant of Circumcision or the law. Jesus was a Jew born into the House of Israel and was circmcised on the eighth day. He voluntarily put Himself under this covnant to fulfill it--something that we were not able to do. Fulfillment of the Covenant of Circumcision was keeping the law perfectly without sinning. Jesus made a contract with Abraham and then came around the other side of the table so to speak and fulfill Abraham's obligation. I wish I could get a car salesman to do that.



First, let’s examine law in Scripture. There were three tiers of the law: The first tier governed our relationship with God. “I am the Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before Me….” The second tier governed our relationship with each other. “Thou shall not steal, commit adultery, kidnap, et.al.” The third tier brings confusion to the average Bible student. This tier is symbolic law. The Jews received the symbolic laws. Symbolic law is neither moral nor immoral. Thus, any negative law could be overridden by a law that was a positive command. The command to not work on the Sabbath took a back seat to circumcise on the eighth day (if it fell on the Sabbath).



Symbolic laws simply pointed to Jesus Christ. The laws of clothing, diet, feasts, etc. pointed to Jesus. For example, a high priest could not be lame, for “in Jesus the lame walk.” The high priest could not be blind, for “in Jesus the blind see.” The Jews’ clothing had to be of one pure cloth, as Jesus is our pure covering. The Sabbath law was for Israel only, and was a perpetual covenant.



The first covenant that God made with Abraham was the Covenant of Grace: “[Abraham] believed in the Lord, and He [God] accounted it to him for righteousness” (Gen. 15:6). Paul used this centuries later as his argument for grace: “For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something of which to boast…. For what does the Scripture say” ‘Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness’” (Rom. 4:2-3). This covenant was the first covenant that God made with Abraham. NO WORK WAS REQUIRED BY ABRAHAM! In fact, God put Abraham to sleep.



The second covenant was the covenant of Circumcision (or works or the law). Years later, God insisted that Abraham circumcise himself. Why? Circumcision was a sign of the agreement between God and Abraham’s descendants who would become known as people of the Circumcision (Jews): “and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me [God] and you [Abraham and your descendants]” (Gen. 17:11).



Circumcision, although symbolic, was not optional for the Jews. God almost killed Moses because he did not circumcise his son born to Midionite wife Zipporah: “And it came to pass on the way, at the encampment that the Lord met him [Moses] and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah [Moses wife] took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at Moses’ feet, and said, ‘Surely you are a husband of blood to me!’ So He let him [Moses] go. Then she said, ‘You are a husband of blood!’ because of the circumcision” (Ex. 4:24-26)



Now having said all this, why this unusual circumcision ritual? Recall that these laws were symbolic, neither moral nor immoral, were for the Jews only, and pointed to Jesus. Circumcision is the cutting off of the flesh. Jesus Christ (God the Son) became flesh, and was cut off. God told Abraham: “He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant” (Gen. 17:13). God had also said to Abraham, “in you all” nations will be blessed (Gen. 12:3), and in Abraham, because Jesus came from Abraham’s loins, and from David’s body (2 Sam. 7:12). Thus, the Covenant of Circumcision pointed to Jesus Christ, who “became flesh” (John 1:14) and then the “Messiah” was “cut off” (Dan. 9:26; Mat. 27:46, 50). The Jews, called the Circumcision, the people of the Covenant of Circumcision, were themselves cut off (Rom. 11:20, 22). So, too, Christ, the King of the Jews (Mat. 2:2; 27:11), became flesh and was cut off. Thus the circumcision of Jesus Christ according to the Law on the eighth day (Luke 2:21) foreshadowed the very purpose of His coming. Consider also that God used the Hebrew word silver when He said to Abraham, “he who is bought with your money [silver].” Then recall two things: that the High Priest bought Christ with “thirty pieces of silver” from Judas (Mat. 26:15); and also that Jesus was born a Jew. Thus, throughout all history, He was the One both “born in your house [Israel] and… bought with your silver.” Thus the Covenant of Circumcision uniquely pointed to Christ.



Also understand that for Israel, many symbolic laws such as circumcision, feasts, Sabbath law, are perpetual statutes for Israel. When Jesus comes back to Israel, Israel will be required to keep these symbolic laws during their Thousand Year Kingdom and in the New Heaven and the New Earth. For Israel, these laws are not optional.

I pray that this sheds some light on the subject.

 

[Bladerunner]

The Jews were not allowed to travel on the Sabbath.

Do you consider that Sunday was a Sabbath? Fri 6pm to Sat 6p was God's Sabbath...Sunday was first day of the week, not the seventh.

Jesus was a law-keeping Jew. He would not have gone ANYWHERE on the Sabbath.

True and He did not. We agree

Because it contradicts SCRIPTURE, you numbskull!

Now your calling those you don't agree with names as well???

What condradicts scripture?

Then it could not have been that year

This statement does not make any sense? Why could it not have bee n the year 32 AD?

Reason #1: Jesus did not rise on the fourth day. He rose on the third day, after three days and three nights.
Reason #2: Jesus DID rise on a Sunday. Therefore Sunday could not have been the fourth day, because it had to have been the third day

Is that He wasn't crucified in AD 32, but rather in AD 30.
the only way this would work is with the Thursday being the crucifixion.

Why are you being so belligerent on this?

"
In B.C.. 445
the new moon by which the Passover was regulated was on the 13th of March
at 7h. 9m. A. M.[3] And accordingly the 1st Nisan may be assigned to the
14th March.

The statement of St. Luke is explicit and unequivocal, that our Lord's
public ministry began in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar. It is equally
clear that it began shortly before the Passover, The date of it can thus be fixed
as between August A.D. 28 and April A.D. 29. The Passover of the
crucifixion therefore was in A.D. 32, when Christ was betrayed on the night
of the Paschal Supper, and put to death on the day of the Paschal Feast.?" (The Coming Prince, Sir Robert Anderson)

He was crucified on Thursday, at roughly 9 am. He hung on the cross until 3 pm, when He died. He was in the grave by 6 pm. He remained in the grave for the next two and a half days, until just before dawn on Sunday morning. Thus, He rose ON THE THIRD DAY, just like Scripture says He did.



Unless I missed it, I don't remember seeing where you posted the verse that says that "He arose on the day after," or, "the next day."

Yet I gave you at least 10 verses that said that Christ rose "on the third day."



There is ZERO requirement for a FULL three days and nights.

The Bible does not require a full three days and nights.

NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR JESUS TO HAVE BEEN IN THE GRAVE FOR A FULL THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS!!!!!

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?!

You get "three days and three nights" by starting ON THURSDAY, at the moment Christ died. That's THE FIRST DAY. Friday evening (after 6 pm on THURSDAY) starts the FIRST NIGHT. Friday 6 am starts the SECOND DAY. Saturday evening (after 6 pm on FRIDAY) starts the SECOND NIGHT. Saturday 6 am starts the THIRD DAY. Sunday evening (after 6 pm on SATURDAY) starts the THIRD NIGHT, and then Jesus rose before dawn.

He was IN THE GRAVE for 2.5 days. He rose ON THE THIRD DAY.

ONCE AGAIN:

THERE.
IS.
NO.
REQUIREMENT.
FOR.
A.
FULL.
THREE.
DAYS.
AND.
NIGHTS.



I just showed you, for the umpteenth time, how you do.



Yes, because if He rose AFTER 6 am, then it would have been the START OF THE FOURTH DAY!!!!



ONCE AGAIN:

THERE.
IS.
NO.
REQUIREMENT.
FOR.
A.
FULL.
THREE.
DAYS.
AND.
NIGHTS.

Oh Yes there is,,,Mat 12:40.."For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Now your saying 2.5 days instead of three days and nights. to me that is a full day unless you want to go down the path those coveting the Friday crucifixion do..Get three days and three nights from Friday to Sunday morning.

He ONLY has to be dead for longer than 2 days, and less than three days, according to the narrative.

What Narrative...These are prophecies..Do you think that GOD is going to not obey His own word?

And again, it's NOT just the fact that SCRIPTURE says "He rose on the third day."

He arrived in Bethany on 8 Nisan, 6 days before the Passover, and He arrived in Jerusalem on 10 Nisan, the day the Jews were to select a lamb to sacrifice for the Passover (Exodus 12).

This places His arrival in Bethany on a FRIDAY and His arrival in Jerusalem on a SUNDAY, because if it were shifted one day in either direction, one of those two arrivals would be ON A SABBATH DAY, on which NO TRAVEL WAS ALLOWED. This means that a Wednesday crucifixion is out, because it puts His arrival in Jerusalem on a no travel day. And it means a Friday crucifixion is out, because it puts his arrival in Bethany on a no travel day (not to mention it doesn't leave enough time for Jesus to be in the grave for three days and three nights.

And then there's the literal succession of events on the Jewish religious festival calendar, where Passover is the day when the lamb is slain, the feast of unleavened bread, and the feast of firstfruits, all three of which were implemented TO POINT TO CHRIST!!!!

JESUS is the Passover Lamb.
Jesus' body lay in the tomb for three days and nights WITHOUT DECAYING, which is what the unleavened bread represents.
Jesus is the firstborn of the dead, His resurrection also caused many others to be raised from the dead, the firstfruits of His act on the Cross.

THE ENTIRE WEEK was about HIM and HIM ALONE!

Thus, He HAD to rise on Sunday, and He HAD to die on Passover, and He HAD to arrive in Jerusalem on Sunday 10 Nisan. The only day that works therefore IS THURSDAY, because that's how math works!



This has nothing to do with opinions, Blade.

This isn't a matter of opinion.

This is a matter of facts. FACT: Jesus could not have been crucified on a Friday or a Wednesday, because the corresponding timeline DOES NOT MATCH THE NARRATIVE PRESENTED BY SCRIPTURE!!!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree...We are very close...


Wed 6pm-Thurs 6pm= arrived at Bethany Cal Day=Thursday, 8th of Nisan 32 AD

Thur 6p-Fri 6P=1st day, 9th of Nisan, Calendar Day = Friday

Friday 6p - Sat 6p = Sabbath 10th 2nd Day; Saturday

Saturday 6p - Sun 6p = 11th 3rd day; Sunday

Sun 6P-Mon6p = 12th, 4th day; Monday

Mon 6p-Tues 6P= 13th of Nisan, 5th day; Tuesday

Tues6p - Wed 6p = 14th of Nisan, 6th day; Wednesday; Crucified around 9th hour or 3PM.

Wed 6p- Thurs 6p - 15th, Unleavened Bread Feast, High Sabbath 1st day/night in the grave; Thursday (lasting 7 days)

Thurs 6p - Fri 6p - 16th, of Nisan, 2nd day/night in the grave ; Friday

Fri 6pm - Sat 6pm - 17th of Nisan, 3rd Day/night in the grave ; Saturday/Sabbath

Sat 6pm - Sun 6pm -18th Day of Nisan, sometime during 6pm to 6am, Jesus Arose from the grave. Feast of First Fruits

 

[Nick M]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree...We are very close...

My minor point is that tradition, Good Friday, is not the day but it is ok to celebrate it. If you want to call it that.

 

[Bladerunner]

My minor point is that tradition, Good Friday, is not the day but it is ok to celebrate it, if you want to call it that.

This tradition started around 315 when the Church was married to the state.

 

[Nick M]

This tradition started around 315 when the Church was married to the state.

If you consider the extra biblical sources the RCC uses, it may have been sooner. Not that it matters.

 

[Bladerunner]

My minor point is that tradition, Good Friday, is not the day but it is ok to celebrate it, if you want to call it that.

I have no problem with people worshiping any way they want to. Rem. those two words, "Free Will". Even a Calvinist has a Free Will.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Do you consider that Sunday was a Sabbath?

NO!

Fri 6pm to Sat 6p was God's Sabbath...Sunday was first day of the week, not the seventh.

DUH!

True and He did not. We agree

What day do you claim Jesus arrived in Jerusalem? Which day of Nisan, and which day of the week?

And yes, it matters, so I expect an answer to this.

Now your calling those you don't agree with names as well???

No, I'm calling you names because you're being an irrational idiot.

What condradicts scripture?

The claim that Jesus rose on the fourth day.

This statement does not make any sense? Why could it not have bee n the year 32 AD?

Because it doesn't fit the timing of the narrative presented by scripture.

"
In B.C.. 445
the new moon by which the Passover was regulated was on the 13th of March
at 7h. 9m. A. M.[3] And accordingly the 1st Nisan may be assigned to the
14th March.

The statement of St. Luke is explicit and unequivocal, that our Lord's
public ministry began in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar. It is equally
clear that it began shortly before the Passover, The date of it can thus be fixed
as between August A.D. 28 and April A.D. 29. The Passover of the
crucifixion therefore was in A.D. 32, when Christ was betrayed on the night
of the Paschal Supper, and put to death on the day of the Paschal Feast.?" (The Coming Prince, Sir Robert Anderson)

No idea who he is, but there's a good chance he's wrong.

Start with scripture, not the doctrines of men.

Oh Yes there is,,,Mat 12:40.."For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

That says nothing nor requires a "full three days and three nights."

It just says "three days and three nights."

Do you not understand the difference?

Now your saying 2.5 days instead of three days and nights. to me that is a full day unless you want to go down the path those coveting the Friday crucifixion do..Get three days and three nights from Friday to Sunday morning.

No, I've BEEN saying 2.5 days.

Why?

Because 2.5 days is three days and three nights, as I've shown. If it was any longer than 3 days, then Scripture would have said "four days and three nights," or it would have said "three days and four nights."

But it does not. It says "three days and three nights" and "on the third day."

2.5 days is two days and two nights + one day (partial) + one night (half of a 24-hour period). 2.5 days = 60 hours (plus a few hours before sunrise on Sunday) = less than 72 hours. The math works out just fine for BOTH "three days and three nights" AND "on the third day." Your position does not.

"Three days and three nights" and "on the third day" works with and ONLY WITH a Thursday Crucifixion:

8 Nisan - Friday - Jesus arrives in Bethany, 6 days before the Passover.
9 Nisan - Saturday - Jesus spends the Sabbath in Bethany.
10 Nisan - Sunday - Jesus arrives in Jerusalem - Israel chooses their passover lambs, as per Exodus 12.
11-13 Nisan - Monday-Wednesday - Jesus questioned by the Jews - Examination of the lambs by Israel for any blemishes.
13 Nisan - Wednesday night (14 Nisan - Thursday evening) - Jesus and the disciples have the Last Supper, Jesus tells Judas to do what he's going to do, and quickly, Judas leaves to fetch the Pharisees, Jesus and the disciples go to Gethsemane, the Pharisees arrest Jesus - Israel turns over their lambs for inspection to the Priests.
14 Nisan (sometime before dawn) Thursday - Peter denies Christ three times.
14 Nisan (after dawn) - Jesus is questioned by Herod and Pontius Pilate, beaten and flogged, Pilate washes his hands of Jesus, frees Barabbas, and sentences Jesus to death - Israel continues preparing the lambs for slaughter.
14 Nisan (third hour) - Jesus is put on the cross.
14 Nisan (ninth hour) - Jesus gives up His Spirit, and dies - Israel slaughters the passover lambs.
14 Nisan (by the twelfth hour) - Joseph of Arimathea offers his tomb for Jesus' body to be buried in, and His body is prepared as much as possible and laid in the tomb - The first day that Jesus is dead (which only lasts for a few hours, but is the first day in the tomb, as it wasn't "evening" until after sunset, at a specific point). "There was evening and there was morning, the first day."
15 Nisan - Thursday night (Friday evening, Friday morning, and the following daytime hours) to the twelfth hour of the day - High Sabbath, Feast of Unleavened Bread begins - First night Jesus is in the tomb and second day. "There was evening and there was morning, the second day."
16 Nisan - Friday night (Saturday evening, Saturday morning, and the following daytime hours) to the twelfth hour of the day - Regular weekly sabbath, a day of rest begins - second night and second day. "There was evening, and there was morning, the third day."
17 Nisan - Saturday night (Sunday evening, Sunday morning, and the following daytime hours) to sometime before dawn - Beginning of the Feast of Firstfruits - The stone is rolled away from the entrance of the tomb, Jesus rises - the third night Jesus was dead.

Thus, "three days and three nights."

Thursday afternoon to Sunday morning before dawn is "Three days and three nights." Sunday morning resurrection is "On the third day."

Wednesday afternoon to Sunday morning before dawn is four days and three nights, no matter how you look at it, which makes a Sunday resurrection "on the fourth day," in direct contradiction of Scripture.

If Jesus was crucified Wednesday and rose "on the third day," then Jesus would have risen on Saturday before dawn. Problem with that is that the women would not have been able to go to the tomb site on a sabbath, as it was a day of rest, nor does the timing work with the Feast of Firstfruits.

If Jesus was crucified Friday and rose "on the third day," then He would have risen on a Monday before dawn. That doesn't work either because it doesn't align with the Feast of Firstfruits.

If as YOU claim, Jesus was crucified Wednesday, but rose on Sunday, you've now added an entire extra day and night to the sequence of events, making it "four days and four nights," in contradiction of Jesus Himself.

No, Wednesday crucifixion doesn't work at all, for multiple reasons.

What Narrative...

Have you never read the Gospels?

Are you not aware that they tell a story, that they present a narrative?

These are prophecies..Do you think that GOD is going to not obey His own word?

God's timing was perfect. Jesus was chosen as the Passover lamb on 10 Nisan, examined for blemishes by the Jews, turned over to the Priesthood for inspection, was lead as a sheep to the slaughter, yet was silent, was crucified on Passover, was in the grave for two sabbath days, and rose on the feast of firstfruits.

That only works with a Thursday crucifixion. It does not work with Him being crucified on any other day of the week.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree...We are very close...

I hate when people say "we'll just have to agree to disagree."

It's a clear sign that you aren't hungry enough to determine what the truth of a matter is, and it shows you to be a coward, looking for a way out of a discussion that you KNOW you're losing, but aren't willing to give up your position on.

Wed 6pm-Thurs 6pm= arrived at Bethany Cal Day=Thursday, 8th of Nisan 32 AD

Arriving in Bethany on Thursday, 6 days before the Passover, would put the day Jesus arrived in Jerusalem on Saturday.

Again: Jesus, being a law-abiding Jew, would not have traveled ANYWHERE on a Sabbath.

Which means now you have to have Him arrive in Jerusalem on Friday (which contradicts "Palm Sunday", which you have not established any sort of reasoning for Jesus to have not arrived on Sunday) OR you have to say that Jesus stayed TWO FULL DAYS in Bethany, Friday AND the sabbath, Saturday, before arriving in Jerusalem on Sunday, which would work exept for the fact that the whole idea adds an extra day and night to the amount of time Jesus is in the tomb, contradicting the narrative of scripture.

Thur 6p-Fri 6P=1st day, 9th of Nisan, Calendar Day = Friday

Except that 10 Nisan is the day Israel was to have chosen their passover lambs. According to you, that would have been a Sabbath day. So that's out.

Friday 6p - Sat 6p = Sabbath 10th 2nd Day; Saturday

Go read Exodus 12.

Saturday 6p - Sun 6p = 11th 3rd day; Sunday

Sun 6P-Mon6p = 12th, 4th day; Monday

Mon 6p-Tues 6P= 13th of Nisan, 5th day; Tuesday

Tues6p - Wed 6p = 14th of Nisan, 6th day; Wednesday; Crucified around 9th hour or 3PM.

Wed 6p- Thurs 6p - 15th, Unleavened Bread Feast, High Sabbath 1st day/night in the grave; Thursday (lasting 7 days)

Thurs 6p - Fri 6p - 16th, of Nisan, 2nd day/night in the grave ; Friday

Fri 6pm - Sat 6pm - 17th of Nisan, 3rd Day/night in the grave ; Saturday/Sabbath

Sat 6pm - Sun 6pm -18th Day of Nisan, sometime during 6pm to 6am, Jesus Arose from the grave. Feast of First Fruits

NONE of this works, because it has Jesus dead and/or in the tomb for four days and four nights, in direct contradiction of scripture saying He rose ON the third day, NEVER "after the third day."

Mark 9:31 states directly: "And after He is killed, He will rise the third day."

Luke 24:46 states directly: "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ . . . to rise from the dead the third day".

Acts 10:40 states directly: "Him God raised up on the third day".

1 Corinthians 15:4 states directly: "and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures".

You CANNOT IGNORE THESE PASSAGES.

Your position is in direct contradiction to scripture, because it has Jesus rising on the fourth day (or fourth night, however you want to look at it).

 

[Clete]

No, I'm calling you names because you're being an irrational idiot.

We really need to recreate the :truthsmacker: emoji!

 

[Right Divider]

We really need to recreate the :truthsmacker: emoji!

We're missing a few really good emojis from the old site... wish they could add them

 

[Bladerunner]

a long reply is needed here with plenty of good questions that you propose on post 91. I need to research on a point of you a bit and will get back to you in a day or two. Have a great weekend.

 

[Bladerunner]

NO!



DUH!



What day do you claim Jesus arrived in Jerusalem? Which day of Nisan, and which day of the week?

And yes, it matters, so I expect an answer to this.



No, I'm calling you names because you're being an irrational idiot.



The claim that Jesus rose on the fourth day.



Because it doesn't fit the timing of the narrative presented by scripture.



No idea who he is, but there's a good chance he's wrong.

Start with scripture, not the doctrines of men.



That says nothing nor requires a "full three days and three nights."

It just says "three days and three nights."

Do you not understand the difference?



No, I've BEEN saying 2.5 days.

Why?

Because 2.5 days is three days and three nights, as I've shown. If it was any longer than 3 days, then Scripture would have said "four days and three nights," or it would have said "three days and four nights."

But it does not. It says "three days and three nights" and "on the third day."

2.5 days is two days and two nights + one day (partial) + one night (half of a 24-hour period). 2.5 days = 60 hours (plus a few hours before sunrise on Sunday) = less than 72 hours. The math works out just fine for BOTH "three days and three nights" AND "on the third day." Your position does not.

"Three days and three nights" and "on the third day" works with and ONLY WITH a Thursday Crucifixion:

8 Nisan - Friday - Jesus arrives in Bethany, 6 days before the Passover.
9 Nisan - Saturday - Jesus spends the Sabbath in Bethany.
10 Nisan - Sunday - Jesus arrives in Jerusalem - Israel chooses their passover lambs, as per Exodus 12.
11-13 Nisan - Monday-Wednesday - Jesus questioned by the Jews - Examination of the lambs by Israel for any blemishes.
13 Nisan - Wednesday night (14 Nisan - Thursday evening) - Jesus and the disciples have the Last Supper, Jesus tells Judas to do what he's going to do, and quickly, Judas leaves to fetch the Pharisees, Jesus and the disciples go to Gethsemane, the Pharisees arrest Jesus - Israel turns over their lambs for inspection to the Priests.
14 Nisan (sometime before dawn) Thursday - Peter denies Christ three times.
14 Nisan (after dawn) - Jesus is questioned by Herod and Pontius Pilate, beaten and flogged, Pilate washes his hands of Jesus, frees Barabbas, and sentences Jesus to death - Israel continues preparing the lambs for slaughter.
14 Nisan (third hour) - Jesus is put on the cross.
14 Nisan (ninth hour) - Jesus gives up His Spirit, and dies - Israel slaughters the passover lambs.
14 Nisan (by the twelfth hour) - Joseph of Arimathea offers his tomb for Jesus' body to be buried in, and His body is prepared as much as possible and laid in the tomb - The first day that Jesus is dead (which only lasts for a few hours, but is the first day in the tomb, as it wasn't "evening" until after sunset, at a specific point). "There was evening and there was morning, the first day."
15 Nisan - Thursday night (Friday evening, Friday morning, and the following daytime hours) to the twelfth hour of the day - High Sabbath, Feast of Unleavened Bread begins - First night Jesus is in the tomb and second day. "There was evening and there was morning, the second day."
16 Nisan - Friday night (Saturday evening, Saturday morning, and the following daytime hours) to the twelfth hour of the day - Regular weekly sabbath, a day of rest begins - second night and second day. "There was evening, and there was morning, the third day."
17 Nisan - Saturday night (Sunday evening, Sunday morning, and the following daytime hours) to sometime before dawn - Beginning of the Feast of Firstfruits - The stone is rolled away from the entrance of the tomb, Jesus rises - the third night Jesus was dead.

Thus, "three days and three nights."

Thursday afternoon to Sunday morning before dawn is "Three days and three nights." Sunday morning resurrection is "On the third day."

Wednesday afternoon to Sunday morning before dawn is four days and three nights, no matter how you look at it, which makes a Sunday resurrection "on the fourth day," in direct contradiction of Scripture.

If Jesus was crucified Wednesday and rose "on the third day," then Jesus would have risen on Saturday before dawn. Problem with that is that the women would not have been able to go to the tomb site on a sabbath, as it was a day of rest, nor does the timing work with the Feast of Firstfruits.

If Jesus was crucified Friday and rose "on the third day," then He would have risen on a Monday before dawn. That doesn't work either because it doesn't align with the Feast of Firstfruits.

If as YOU claim, Jesus was crucified Wednesday, but rose on Sunday, you've now added an entire extra day and night to the sequence of events, making it "four days and four nights," in contradiction of Jesus Himself.

No, Wednesday crucifixion doesn't work at all, for multiple reasons.



Have you never read the Gospels?

Are you not aware that they tell a story, that they present a narrative?



God's timing was perfect. Jesus was chosen as the Passover lamb on 10 Nisan, examined for blemishes by the Jews, turned over to the Priesthood for inspection, was lead as a sheep to the slaughter, yet was silent, was crucified on Passover, was in the grave for two sabbath days, and rose on the feast of firstfruits.

That only works with a Thursday crucifixion. It does not work with Him being crucified on any other day of the week.



I hate when people say "we'll just have to agree to disagree."

It's a clear sign that you aren't hungry enough to determine what the truth of a matter is, and it shows you to be a coward, looking for a way out of a discussion that you KNOW you're losing, but aren't willing to give up your position on.



Arriving in Bethany on Thursday, 6 days before the Passover, would put the day Jesus arrived in Jerusalem on Saturday.

Again: Jesus, being a law-abiding Jew, would not have traveled ANYWHERE on a Sabbath.

Which means now you have to have Him arrive in Jerusalem on Friday (which contradicts "Palm Sunday", which you have not established any sort of reasoning for Jesus to have not arrived on Sunday) OR you have to say that Jesus stayed TWO FULL DAYS in Bethany, Friday AND the sabbath, Saturday, before arriving in Jerusalem on Sunday, which would work exept for the fact that the whole idea adds an extra day and night to the amount of time Jesus is in the tomb, contradicting the narrative of scripture.



Except that 10 Nisan is the day Israel was to have chosen their passover lambs. According to you, that would have been a Sabbath day. So that's out.



Go read Exodus 12.



NONE of this works, because it has Jesus dead and/or in the tomb for four days and four nights, in direct contradiction of scripture saying He rose ON the third day, NEVER "after the third day."

Mark 9:31 states directly: "And after He is killed, He will rise the third day."

Luke 24:46 states directly: "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ . . . to rise from the dead the third day".

Acts 10:40 states directly: "Him God raised up on the third day".

1 Corinthians 15:4 states directly: "and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures".

You CANNOT IGNORE THESE PASSAGES.

Your position is in direct contradiction to scripture, because it has Jesus rising on the fourth day (or fourth night, however you want to look at it).

JudgeRightly, thank you for your patience. As we engaged in our conversation via post, I began to see that while we were speaking of the details of this week of Nisan, we both were leaving out very large chunks of the Gospel no matter how hard we tried. It was this post #91 that I decided to take a deep dive into what I had been saying to make sure I was giving you the truth according to the Lords plan. Spending many hours this last week, I came away with a few things I was not aware of and a few things that I had been teaching that was wrong. I have since corrected them and have put together a time line that I feel is how the Bible outlines it in the Word of GOD...Here it is...Unless you can give me a reason and proof that any of my words are wrong or you give a far more convincing outline of why your Thursday Crucifixion is the real deal, we will certainly have to agree to disagree. Yes, you said you did not like it but what you want is a definitive outcome of a one way street. If we cannot agree on the events, scriptures, etc that lead up to the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, there are no words left to say. No, I am not a coward or a idiot and know if I called you or others what you and they say to me, I would not long be here on this forum. To tell you the truth, if I did stoop to calling names, etc. I would not be obeying my Master's words/commandments. The following is a part of the work and study of this last week. It opened my eyes and hope it opens yours...for in the end, the main thought through all of this, is that Jesus was Resurrected after He died for the sins of those that will believe in Him.

THE LAMB OF PASSOVER, OUR JESUS CHRIST​

CHRONOLOGY OF NISAN 8th - 17th, 32AD​

Day (6Am - 6Pm)- Evening (6Pm - 6Am)


NOTE: The 8th of Nisan in 32AD was on Friday. Jesus came to Bethany 8 days before Passover. Rem, The Crucifixion will take place on 13th Nisan, Wednesday

At the end of 483 years (69 Weeks), the Messiah will present himself to Israel and then He will be executed as a criminal (crucified) but not for Himself, (i.e. Daniel 9:26..
"After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off [i.e., excecuted as a criminal] but not for Himself. The people of the ruler [the Antichrist] who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary . The end [of human history as we know it] will come like a flood. War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed."

Friday Day at Bethany 8th Nisan

Friday Evening 9th Nisan

“Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.” In 32AD, the 8th of Nisan was on Friday.


Saturday Day 9th Nisan (Weekly Sabbath)

Saturday Evening - 10th Nisan


Sunday Day - 10th Nisan (6 April, 32AD)

Sunday Evening 11th Nisan

At the end of the stipulated period of 483 years which began when Nehemiah received the decree from Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem on Nissan 1, March 14th, 445 B.C; our Lord presented Himself as Messiah exactly 173,880 days later when He rode into Jerusalem on a young donkey - Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D., [Nisan 10] (Mt 21:1-11).​

Events as recorded in gospel​	Matthew​	Mark​	Luke​	John​	time of day​	Place​
Triumphal entry into Jerusalem​	21:1-11​	11:1-10​	19:29-44​	12:12-19​	Morning​	Outside Jerusalem​
Jesus wept over Jerusalem​	​	​	19:41​	​	​	​
Jesus looks around​	​	11:11​	​	​	​	Temple​
Returns to Bethany with disciples​	​	11:11​	​	​	Evening​	Bethany​

Monday Day- 11th Nisan

Monday Evening 12th Nisan​

Events as recorded in gospel​	Matthew​	Mark​	Luke​	John​	time of day​	Place​
Jesus curses the barren fig tree​	21:18-19​	11:11-18​	​	​	Morning​	Mt of Olives​
Cleansing of the temple​	21:12-13​	11:15-18​	19:45-48​	​	​	Temple​
Some Greeks desire to see Jesus​	​	​	​	12:20-36​	​	Temple​
Jesus responds to unbelief of the crowd​	​	​	​	12:37-50​	​	Temple​
They return to Bethany​	​	11:19​	​	​	Evening​	Bethany​

Tuesday Day- 12th Nisan

Tuesday Evening 13th Nisan​

Events as recorded in gospel​	Matthew​	Mark​	Luke​	John​	time of day​	Place​
Disciples strive 'who is the greatest'​	​	​	22:24-30​	​	Evening​	Upper room​
Jesus washes the disciples' feet​	​	​	​	13:1-20​	​	Upper room​
Identification of Jesus' betrayer​	26:21-25​	14:18-21​	22:21-23​	13:21-30​	​	Upper room​
Last Supper instituted​	26:26-29​	14:22-25​	22:15-20​	​	​	Upper room​
Judas leaves​	​	​	​	13:32​	​	Upper room​
A new commandment I give you​	​	​	​	13:31-35​	​	Upper room​
Prediction of Peter's denial​	26:31-35​	14:27-31​	22:31-38​	13:36-38​	​	Upper room​
Discourses in the Upper Room​	​	​	​	14:1-31​	​	Upper room​

Then they sung an hymn​	26:30​	14:26​	​	​	​	Upper room​
Then they leave the Upper Room​	​	​	​	14:31​	​	On the way to Cedron​
Abide in me​	​	​	​	Chpt 15​	​	On the way to Cedrom​
I go my way​	​	​	​	Chpt 16​	​	On the way to Cedron​
Jesus lifted up his eyes to heaven​	​	​	​	Chpt 17​	​	On the way to Cedron​
Jesus prays in Gethsemane​	26:36-46​	14:26-42​	22:39-46​	​	Night​	Gethsemane​
Jesus betrayed, arrested, forsaken​	26:47-56​	14:43-52​	22:47-53​	18:2-12​	Night​	Gethsemane​
Jesus brought before Caiaphas and Sanhedrin​	26:57-67..​	14:53-65​	22:54, 63-71​	18:12-14, 19-24​	Night​	Sanhedrin​
Peter's three denials​	26:69-75​	14:66-72​	22:55-62​	18:15-18, 25-27​	Night​

Wednesday Day- 13th Nisan (Crucifixion of Jesus)​

EVENT​	Matthew​	Mark​	Luke​	John​
Jesus handed over to Pilate​	27:1-2​	15:1​	23:1​	18:28​
Judas' unavailing remorse​	27:3-10​	(Ac 1:16-19)​		​
Jesus examined by Pilate​	27:11-14​	15:2-5​	23:2-3​	18:29-38​
Jesus or Barnabas?​	27:15-26​	15:6-15​	23:13-25​	18:38-19:15​
The King crowned with thorns; He is then led to the place of crucifixion​	27:27-31​	15:16-20​	23:26-32​	19:16-17​
Jesus crucified and dies about the ninth hour​	27:32-56​	15:21-37​	23:33-49​	19:17-30​
Jesus removed from the cross and buried​	27:57-61​	15:42-47​	23:50-56​	19:38-42​

You may find a detailed reading in GOD’s own words in Mark 15:1-47

Wednesday Evening 14th Nisan (Passover Meal)​

“In the fourteenth day of the first month [Nisan] at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.” (Lev 23:5-8) ( emphasis added)

Annual Passover begins at sunset. Sunset at this time of year in Jerusalem, is about 6:30 to 7:00 PM. The Passover meal eaten.

Thursday Day- 14th Nisan Preparation day for High Sabbath

Thursday Evening - 15th Nisan Beginning of High Sabbath


Friday Day- 15th Nisan High Sabbath continues

Women of Israel rest

Friday Evening - Weekly Sabbath 16th Nisan


Saturday Day- 16th Nisan, Weekly Sabbath

Saturday Evening 17th Nisan, Begin Feast of First Fruits,


Sunday Day- 17th Nisan, Resurrection day.

(sometime during Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6am, (Jesus Arose from the Grave.)​

 

[JudgeRightly]

JudgeRightly, thank you for your patience.

Well you were definitely trying my patience with this post.

Here's a tip: When you're centering your post, make sure you DO NOT center the text inside of any tables you make.

I just spent an hour removing all the "CENTER" formatting tags from your post just so I can respond to it. There were at least a hundred of them.

As we engaged in our conversation via post, I began to see that while we were speaking of the details of this week of Nisan, we both were leaving out very large chunks of the Gospel no matter how hard we tried. It was this post #91 that I decided to take a deep dive into what I had been saying to make sure I was giving you the truth according to the Lords plan. Spending many hours this last week, I came away with a few things I was not aware of and a few things that I had been teaching that was wrong. I have since corrected them and have put together a time line that I feel is how the Bible outlines it in the Word of GOD...Here it is...

I do appreciate you taking the time to think things out!

Unless you can give me a reason and proof that any of my words are wrong or you give a far more convincing outline of why your Thursday Crucifixion is the real deal, we will certainly have to agree to disagree. Yes, you said you did not like it but what you want is a definitive outcome of a one way street. If we cannot agree on the events, scriptures, etc that lead up to the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, there are no words left to say. No, I am not a coward or a idiot and know if I called you or others what you and they say to me, I would not long be here on this forum. To tell you the truth, if I did stoop to calling names, etc. I would not be obeying my Master's words/commandments.

Jesus called people names.

But that's a discussion for a different thread.

And if I was being an idiot and you called me out on it, you wouldn't suffer any retribution from me. I'd be glad you did!

Namecalling WITHOUT CAUSE is what isn't allowed.

Anyways, moving on...

The following is a part of the work and study of this last week. It opened my eyes and hope it opens yours...for in the end, the main thought through all of this, is that Jesus was Resurrected after He died for the sins of those that will believe in Him.

THE LAMB OF PASSOVER, OUR JESUS CHRIST

CHRONOLOGY OF NISAN 8th - 17th, 32AD

I'm not sure what your obsession is with 32 AD. But including it here is essentially begging the question.

Day (6Am - 6Pm)- Evening (6Pm - 6Am)

One thing to point out: Evening comes before morning according to the Jewish calendar.

In other words, the new day starts after sunset.

NOTE: The 8th of Nisan in 32AD

Again with the 32 AD...

was on Friday. Jesus came to Bethany 8 days before Passover.

Agreed.

Rem, The Crucifixion will take place on 13th Nisan, Wednesday

The Crucifixion being on Passover was THE ENTIRE SYMBOLISM BEHIND PASSOVER.

Again, Jesus is the Lamb who was slain for the sin of the world!

He IS the Passover Lamb!

Christ was crucified on Passover. Not before it. Not after it.

At the end of 483 years (69 Weeks), the Messiah will present himself to Israel and then He will be executed as a criminal (crucified) but not for Himself, (i.e. Daniel 9:26..)
"After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off [i.e., excecuted as a criminal] but not for Himself. The people of the ruler [the Antichrist] who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary . The end [of human history as we know it] will come like a flood. War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed."

Yes, Pentecost (Acts 2) started the final week. Then a year later, God cut off Israel because she had rejected Him as Messiah, and turned to working with the Gentiles directly, putting Daniel's entire prophecy on hold.

Friday Day at Bethany 8th Nisan

Friday Evening 9th Nisan

Friday is not the 9th. I know you mean that it started the next day at evening, but for the reader, after sundown starts the next day. Technically it would have been Saturday after sunset, not Friday.

“Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.”

Yes.

In 32AD, the 8th of Nisan was on Friday.

What calendar are you using? Because the calendars I keep finding keep giving a disclaimer about them being unable to calculate the days prior to, I think it was 56 AD?

Saturday Day 9th Nisan (Weekly Sabbath)

Saturday Evening - 10th Nisan


Sunday Day - 10th Nisan (6 April, 32AD)

Sunday Evening 11th Nisan

At the end of the stipulated period of 483 years which began when Nehemiah received the decree from Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem on Nissan 1, March 14th, 445 B.C; our Lord presented Himself as Messiah exactly 173,880 days later when He rode into Jerusalem on a young donkey - Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D., [Nisan 10] (Mt 21:1-11).

Sunday, yes.

With you so far.

Events as recorded in gospel	Matthew	Mark	Luke	John	time of day	Place
Triumphal entry into Jerusalem	21:1-11	11:1-10	19:29-44	12:12-19	Morning	Outside Jerusalem
Jesus wept over Jerusalem			19:41
Jesus looks around		11:11				Temple
Returns to Bethany with disciples		11:11			Evening	Bethany

Monday Day- 11th Nisan

Monday Evening 12th Nisan

[Events as recorded in gospel	Matthew	Mark	Luke	John	time of day	Place
Jesus curses the barren fig tree	21:18-19	11:11-18			Morning	Mt of Olives
Cleansing of the temple	21:12-13	11:15-18	19:45-48			Temple
Some Greeks desire to see Jesus				12:20-36		Temple
Jesus responds to unbelief of the crowd				12:37-50		Temple
They return to Bethany		11:19			Evening	Bethany

You seem to have forgotten a few chapters and an entire day.

Luke 22:1-13 is missing from your tables.

The "Day of Unleavened Bread" is the day the passover lamb is killed, and refers to 14 Nisan (the day of the Passover).

Jesus told Peter and John on Wednesday, 13 Nisan, to "God and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat." (22:8)

IOW you missed Luke 20 to 22:13, and that throws everything off by a day.

Meaning this table is Wednesday's events, not Tuesday's.

Tuesday Day- 12th Nisan

Tuesday Evening 13th Nisan

Events as recorded in gospel	Matthew	Mark	Luke	John	time of day	Place
Disciples strive 'who is the greatest'			22:24-30		Evening	Upper room
Jesus washes the disciples' feet				13:1-20		Upper room
Identification of Jesus' betrayer	26:21-25	14:18-21	22:21-23	13:21-30		Upper room
Last Supper instituted	26:26-29	14:22-25	22:15-20			Upper room
Judas leaves				13:32		Upper room
A new commandment I give you				13:31-35		Upper room
Prediction of Peter's denial	26:31-35	14:27-31	22:31-38	13:36-38		Upper room
Discourses in the Upper Room				14:1-31		Upper room

VVV This table here should be around 6 pm Wednesday. VVV

Then they sung an hymn	26:30	14:26				Upper room
Then they leave the Upper Room				14:31		On the way to Cedron
Abide in me				Chpt 15		On the way to Cedrom
I go my way				Chpt 16		On the way to Cedron
Jesus lifted up his eyes to heaven				Chpt 17		On the way to
Jesus prays in Gethsemane	26:36-46	14:26-42	22:39-46		Night	Gethsemane
Jesus betrayed, arrested, forsaken	26:47-56	14:43-52	22:47-53	18:2-12	Night	Gethsemane
Jesus brought before Caiaphas and Sanhedrin	26:57-67	14:53-65	22:54, 63-71	18:12-14, 19-24	Night	Sanhedrin
Peter's three denials	26:69-75	14:66-72	22:55-62	18:15-18, 25-27	Night

And thus THIS table:

Wednesday Day- 13th Nisan (Crucifixion of Jesus)

EVENT	Matthew	Mark	Luke	John
Jesus handed over to Pilate	27:1-2	15:1	23:1	18:28
Judas' unavailing remorse	27:3-10	(Ac 1:16-19)
Jesus examined by Pilate	27:11-14	15:2-5	23:2-3	18:29-38
Jesus or Barnabas?	27:15-26	15:6-15	23:13-25	18:38-19:15
The King crowned with thorns; He is then led to the place of crucifixion	27:27-31	15:16-20	23:26-32	19:16-17
Jesus crucified and dies about the ninth hour	27:32-56	15:21-37	23:33-49	19:17-30
Jesus removed from the cross and buried	27:57-61	15:42-47	23:50-56	19:38-42[TD]

[TD]

Is actually Thursday morning (probably from before dawn) to Thursday 6pm

You may find a detailed reading in GOD’s own words in Mark 15:1-47

Wednesday Evening 14th Nisan (Passover Meal)

The passover meal was likely after or around 6pm on Wednesday, probably after sunset.

IOW, it was the start of Passover, Thursday 14 Nisan.

“In the fourteenth day of the first month [Nisan] at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.” (Lev 23:5-8) ( emphasis added)

Correct.

Annual Passover begins at sunset. Sunset at this time of year in Jerusalem, is about 6:30 to 7:00 PM. The Passover meal eaten.

Thursday Day- 14th Nisan Preparation day for High Sabbath

Thursday Evening - 15th Nisan Beginning of High Sabbath


Friday Day- 15th Nisan High Sabbath continues

Women of Israel rest

Friday Evening - Weekly Sabbath 16th Nisan


Saturday Day- 16th Nisan, Weekly Sabbath

Saturday Evening 17th Nisan, Begin Feast of First Fruits,


Sunday Day- 17th Nisan, Resurrection day.

Correct.

(sometime during Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6am, (Jesus Arose from the Grave.)

I put His resurrection around 3 am, with the latest His resurrection could be being just before dawn on Sunday morning.

Dead by 3 pm Thursday - risen by 3 am Sunday is 2.5 days, or "three days and three nights," and "on the third day."

 

[Bladerunner]

Well you were definitely trying my patience with this post.

Here's a tip: When you're centering your post, make sure you DO NOT center the text inside of any tables you make.

I just spent an hour removing all the "CENTER" formatting tags from your post just so I can respond to it. There were at least a hundred of them.

I do appreciate you taking the time to think things out!

I was using another word processor. I was writing and researching at the same time over several days..

Jesus called people names.

But that's a discussion for a different thread.

And if I was being an idiot and you called me out on it, you wouldn't suffer any retribution from me. I'd be glad you did!

Namecalling WITHOUT CAUSE is what isn't allowed.

Anyways, moving on...

I will not be calling anyone on your forum or any other forums, any kind of names.

I'm not sure what your obsession is with 32 AD. But including it here is essentially begging the question.

I have posted the information about 32AD in my last posting. Do you not believe in the prophecies GOD gave Daniel through Gabriel?

One thing to point out: Evening comes before morning according to the Jewish calendar.

In other words, the new day starts after sunset. Again with the 32 AD...

According to Jewish customs, 6pm was the start of a new day.

The Crucifixion being on Passover was THE ENTIRE SYMBOLISM BEHIND PASSOVER.

Again, Jesus is the Lamb who was slain for the sin of the world!

He IS the Passover Lamb!

Christ was crucified on Passover. Not before it. Not after it.

Think back to what Passover was when it first began in Egypt. Death passed over those who believed and placed the blood of the Lamb on their door lintel.
The Passover did not happen on the day of crucifixion. Passover begins on the night of the 14th of Nisan and that is the eve (6.p.m.) of the 13th of Nisan.
Simple as that....Regardless of how you try to place it on Thursday, these three days are tied up. the Crucifixion (13th), Passover (14th), (Feast of Unleavened Bread) Two of these three days are set by GOD himself.

Yes, Pentecost (Acts 2) started the final week. Then a year later, God cut off Israel because she had rejected Him as Messiah, and turned to working with the Gentiles directly, putting Daniel's entire prophecy on hold.

Ah, so you are one who does not believe in the two plans of GOD. But you are right to a point. He did cut Israel off because she rejected Jesus Christ. You might say He divorced his wife.

Friday is not the 9th. I know you mean that it started the next day at evening, but for the reader, after sundown starts the next day. Technically it would have been Saturday after sunset, not Friday.

Yes, you are correct, you have a Friday (Day) and a Friday (Evening)- Julian calendar......a Friday (Day) and Saturday (Evening) Jewish Calendar

What calendar are you using? Because the calendars I keep finding keep giving a disclaimer about them being unable to calculate the days prior to, I think it was 56 AD?

That was 173,880 days applied to the Julian calendar.

You seem to have forgotten a few chapters and an entire day.

Luke 22:1-13 is missing from your tables.

The "Day of Unleavened Bread" is the day the passover lamb is killed, and refers to 14 Nisan (the day of the Passover).

No, the 15th of Nisan is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The 14th is passover. and on this 32AD, Jesus died on that Wed 13th (day) with 14th Nisan following that Evening.

Jesus told Peter and John on Wednesday, 13 Nisan, to "God and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat." (22:8)

If one goes by the 6 days to the crucifixion at Bethany, that would be Friday the 8th of Nisan, that April 4th, 32 AD.

Yes, you are right about Luke 22:8...However, on Wednesday 14th, the preparation was for the High Sabbath on that Wednesay Evening(Thursday 15th)

IOW you missed Luke 20 to 22:13, and that throws everything off by a day.

Meaning this table is Wednesday's events, not Tuesday's.

I placed the scripture (very possible not all of them) after the dates they were applied to.

The passover meal was likely after or around 6pm on Wednesday, probably after sunset.

IOW, it was the start of Passover, Thursday 14 Nisan.

From the 10th of Nisan, that Sunday; until 6pm (Wednesday 13th) 14th of Nisan that evening. Passover Meal could not be eaten. Rem, the Crucifixion can not take place AFTER the Passover Meal.

I put His resurrection around 3 am, with the latest His resurrection could be being just before dawn on Sunday morning.

From 6pm Saturday Evening (Sunday 17th Nisan) it could have been any time between there and somewhere around 6AM when they found the rock rolled away. I actually suspect that Jesus walked out of that tomb (without the guards seeing them) shortly after 6pm that evening, remembering the one time the pharisees were going to through Jesus over the clift. He walked away from them without them seeing Him.

Dead by 3 pm Thursday - risen by 3 am Sunday is 2.5 days, or "three days and three nights," and "on the third day."

Disagree.

Thanks for the conversation.

 

[Idolater]

I was using another word processor. I was writing and researching at the same time over several days..

I will not be calling anyone on your forum or any other forums, any kind of names.

I have posted the information about 32AD in my last posting. Do you not believe in the prophecies GOD gave Daniel through Gabriel?


According to Jewish customs, 6pm was the start of a new day.

Think back to what Passover was when it first began in Egypt. Death passed over those who believed and placed the blood of the Lamb on their door lintel.
The Passover did not happen on the day of crucifixion. Passover begins on the night of the 14th of Nisan and that is the eve (6.p.m.) of the 13th of Nisan.
Simple as that....Regardless of how you try to place it on Thursday, these three days are tied up. the Crucifixion (13th), Passover (14th), (Feast of Unleavened Bread) Two of these three days are set by GOD himself.


Ah, so you are one who does not believe in the two plans of GOD. But you are right to a point. He did cut Israel off because she rejected Jesus Christ. You might say He divorced his wife.

Yes, you are correct, you have a Friday (Day) and a Friday (Evening)- Julian calendar......a Friday (Day) and Saturday (Evening) Jewish Calendar

That was 173,880 days applied to the Julian calendar.

No, the 15th of Nisan is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The 14th is passover. and on this 32AD, Jesus died on that Wed 13th (day) with 14th Nisan following that Evening.

If one goes by the 6 days to the crucifixion at Bethany, that would be Friday the 8th of Nisan, that April 4th, 32 AD.

Yes, you are right about Luke 22:8...However, on Wednesday 14th, the preparation was for the High Sabbath on that Wednesay Evening(Thursday 15th)

I placed the scripture (very possible not all of them) after the dates they were applied to.

From the 10th of Nisan, that Sunday; until 6pm (Wednesday 13th) 14th of Nisan that evening. Passover Meal could not be eaten. Rem, the Crucifixion can not take place AFTER the Passover Meal.

From 6pm Saturday Evening (Sunday 17th Nisan) it could have been any time between there and somewhere around 6AM when they found the rock rolled away. I actually suspect that Jesus walked out of that tomb (without the guards seeing them) shortly after 6pm that evening, remembering the one time the pharisees were going to through Jesus over the clift. He walked away from them without them seeing Him.


Disagree.

Thanks for the conversation.

$$ Joh 18:39
But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

The day Jesus was crucified was the Passover.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I have posted the information about 32AD in my last posting.

What little I saw in your post didn't give an explanation on what dates were used to arrive at that conclusion.

Do you not believe in the prophecies GOD gave Daniel through Gabriel?

I believe the prophecies of Daniel.

I reject your conclusion that it means Christ was crucified in AD 32.

According to Jewish customs, 6pm was the start of a new day.

Not quite.

I don't mind using 6pm to make it simpler to convey, but in reality, they started the new day after sunset, and it was "night" when it was dark enough for three specific stars in the night sky to become visible, at least according to rabbinic tradition.

But Biblically, the new day starts at evening, when the sun sets, since they didn't have timekeeping devices like we do today.

Think back to what Passover was when it first began in Egypt. Death passed over those who believed and placed the blood of the Lamb on their door lintel.

Yes. Likewise, God passes over those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb who was slain for the sins of the world, Jesus Christ.

The Passover did not happen on the day of crucifixion.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Passover begins on the night of the 14th of Nisan and that is the eve (6.p.m.) of the 13th of Nisan.

Yes, and?

Simple as that....Regardless of how you try to place it on Thursday, these three days are tied up. the Crucifixion (13th), Passover (14th), (Feast of Unleavened Bread) Two of these three days are set by GOD himself.

You're still begging the question that the Crucifixion was on the 13th.

Ah, so you are one who does not believe in the two plans of GOD. But you are right to a point. He did cut Israel off because she rejected Jesus Christ. You might say He divorced his wife.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist.

Yes, you are correct, you have a Friday (Day) and a Friday (Evening)- Julian calendar......a Friday (Day) and Saturday (Evening) Jewish Calendar

That was 173,880 days applied to the Julian calendar.

Starting when?

No, the 15th of Nisan is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The 14th is passover.

Yes.

and on this 32AD, Jesus died on that Wed 13th (day)

Saying it doesn't make it so.

with 14th Nisan following that Evening.

The problem is that there are multiple other things that an AD 32 crucifixion doesn't line up with, not the least of which is Christ's birth in 3 BC.

If one goes by the 6 days to the crucifixion at Bethany, that would be Friday the 8th of Nisan,

Yes.

that April 4th, 32 AD.

No.

Yes, you are right about Luke 22:8...

Then it follows that your timeline is wrong.

You can't have it both ways, Blade.

However, on Wednesday 14th, the preparation was for the High Sabbath on that Wednesay Evening(Thursday 15th)

No, Thursday was the 14th. From sunset on Wednesday, to sunset on Thursday, that was 14 Nisan.

I placed the scripture (very possible not all of them) after the dates they were applied to.

Yet you left out one of the most crucial, that of Jesus telling his disciples to get a room for the meal they were about to have.

From the 10th of Nisan, that Sunday; until 6pm (Wednesday 13th) 14th of Nisan that evening.

You cut out Wednesday's events (or Tuesday's or Monday's, I'm not sure which, but it doesn't really matter) and moved Thursday's events onto Wednesday.

Passover Meal could not be eaten.

Did not Jesus specifically tell his disciples to prepare the passover lamb for them to eat at dinner?

Why could they not eat the Passover lamb after sundown on Wednesday (Thursday, start of 14 Nisan in the evening)? If Thursday was Passover, and I'm pretty sure you agree that it is, at this point, then there's no harm in eating the passover meal at the start of the new day, after sunset on 14 Nisan, right?

Rem, the Crucifixion can not take place AFTER the Passover Meal.

Why not?

From 6pm Saturday Evening (Sunday 17th Nisan) it could have been any time between there and somewhere around 6AM when they found the rock rolled away. I actually suspect that Jesus walked out of that tomb (without the guards seeing them) shortly after 6pm that evening, remembering the one time the pharisees were going to through Jesus over the clift. He walked away from them without them seeing Him.

That would go against scripture, no?

Specifically, Matthew 28: 1-3, Mark 16:1-10, Luke 24:1-12, and John 20:1-10.

Especially Mark 16:9-10, which says He rose early on the first day. "Early," being "at dawn" in the Greek text.

You can't just make stuff up to suit your fancy or your preferred beliefs.

Disagree.

Why? Because you don't like it? Because it contradicts your beliefs and you're not willing to reconsider them?

Or because of some yet unstated evidence that shows that your position better fits Scripture and the evidence?

I would hope it's the latter, otherwise you're just being stubborn and your disagreement is tacit admission that my position is better than yours and your position failed to match the data.

 

[Bladerunner]

$$ Joh 18:39
But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

The day Jesus was crucified was the Passover.

Jesus was the Lamb....His blood above our door let Death Pass us over.
Have a blessed evening and nice talking to you.