Presidents Obama & Geo. W. Bush break with tradition

The Barbarian

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Got a cite on that?

Turns out that it was a former Bush staffer that let him have it.

A former ethics chief in the George W. Bush administration condemned President Donald Trump’s mishandling of calls to families of fallen soldiers, and said Trump lacks compassion because he ducked his own military service.

Richard Painter, the former chief White House ethics lawyer, told CNN on Wednesday night that Trump’s public references to White House Chief of Staff John Kelly’s son, who was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, were “atrocious.”

“He has no empathy, no understanding of the human emotions of what people go through because he never did it himself, he stayed home during Vietnam with his sore foot or whatever it was,” Painter said. “What he’s done to Gen. Kelly is atrocious.”

https://politiciandirect.com/bush-ethics-chief-trump-has-no-empathy-for-fallen-soldiers-families

Bush's statement avoided mentioning Trump and was a more general criticism of the administration:
For the past nine years, George W. Bush has largely stayed out of presidential politics; he declined to criticize his successor, Barack Obama, and he chose not to endorse but largely ignored President Trump. While Mitt Romney and others spoke out publicly against Trump, Bush stayed above the fray.

That changed in a big way Thursday.

Speaking at a George W. Bush Institute event in New York, Bush didn't use Trump's name, but his target became clearer as the speech progressed. Here's a sampling:

“Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication.”
“We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism.”
“We’ve seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. . . . Argument turns too easily into animosity.”
“It means that bigotry and white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed, and it means the very identity of our nation depends on passing along civic ideals.”
“Bullying and prejudice in our public life … provides permission for cruelty and bigotry.”
“The only way to pass along civic values is to live up to them.”

Any one of these quotes in isolation could be dismissed as highflying rhetoric aimed at the general coarsening of our political culture — or the rise of forms of nationalism and extremism that clearly exist outside the Oval Office.

But almost each of these quotes has some connection to Trump. “Conspiracy theories and fabrications?” Check and check. “Nationalism and nativism?” Check. A “degraded discourse?” Big check. “Bigotry and white supremacy?” Trump was criticized for not calling them out strongly enough in Charlottesville. “Bullying?” Huge check. Not “living up to civic values?” Check, definitely.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...of-trumpism-and-trump/?utm_term=.d2ff13d89b8b
 

jgarden

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LOL The establishment is having a tizzy....no doubt the Swamp does not appreciate being drained.

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The current appointees in Trump's Cabinet, tasked with "draining the swamp," have a net worth of $14 billion!

"Glorydaz" would have us believe these billionaires will "drain the swamp" of millionaires!
 

glorydaz

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The current appointees in Trump's Cabinet, tasked with "draining the swamp," have a net worth of $14 billion!

"Glorydaz" would have us believe these billionaires will "drain the swamp" of millionaires!

I don't give a rip what you believe. Millions, billions, are swamp creatures worth it?
 

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Turns out that it was a former Bush staffer that let him have it.

A former ethics chief in the George W. Bush administration condemned President Donald Trump’s mishandling of calls to families of fallen soldiers, and said Trump lacks compassion because he ducked his own military service.

Richard Painter, the former chief White House ethics lawyer, told CNN on Wednesday night that Trump’s public references to White House Chief of Staff John Kelly’s son, who was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, were “atrocious.”

“He has no empathy, no understanding of the human emotions of what people go through because he never did it himself, he stayed home during Vietnam with his sore foot or whatever it was,” Painter said. “What he’s done to Gen. Kelly is atrocious.”

https://politiciandirect.com/bush-ethics-chief-trump-has-no-empathy-for-fallen-soldiers-families

Bush's statement avoided mentioning Trump and was a more general criticism of the administration:
For the past nine years, George W. Bush has largely stayed out of presidential politics; he declined to criticize his successor, Barack Obama, and he chose not to endorse but largely ignored President Trump. While Mitt Romney and others spoke out publicly against Trump, Bush stayed above the fray.

That changed in a big way Thursday.

Speaking at a George W. Bush Institute event in New York, Bush didn't use Trump's name, but his target became clearer as the speech progressed. Here's a sampling:

“Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication.”
“We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism.”
“We’ve seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. . . . Argument turns too easily into animosity.”
“It means that bigotry and white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed, and it means the very identity of our nation depends on passing along civic ideals.”
“Bullying and prejudice in our public life … provides permission for cruelty and bigotry.”
“The only way to pass along civic values is to live up to them.”

Any one of these quotes in isolation could be dismissed as highflying rhetoric aimed at the general coarsening of our political culture — or the rise of forms of nationalism and extremism that clearly exist outside the Oval Office.

But almost each of these quotes has some connection to Trump. “Conspiracy theories and fabrications?” Check and check. “Nationalism and nativism?” Check. A “degraded discourse?” Big check. “Bigotry and white supremacy?” Trump was criticized for not calling them out strongly enough in Charlottesville. “Bullying?” Huge check. Not “living up to civic values?” Check, definitely.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...of-trumpism-and-trump/?utm_term=.d2ff13d89b8b

So, your statement that;
The Barbarian said:
Bush took him to the woodshed over his lie about previous presidents not calling the families of fallen soldiers.
was utter hogwash, got it.
 

fool

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The current appointees in Trump's Cabinet, tasked with "draining the swamp," have a net worth of $14 billion!
Was he supposed to staff his cabinet with bus boys from one of his restaurants?
 

rexlunae

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When Bush left office he said that Obama "Deserved his silence".
Reasonable I thought at the time. The new President, even if you don't like him, has the toughest job in the World. I'm disappointed that Gee Dub forgot he said that.

Well, Trump doesn't deserve anyone's silence.

What we see here is the ruling class rebuking the working class for electing someone not from the ruling class.

Yeah, regular old Joes electing one of their own. A billionaire hotel and casino owner who marries imported supermodels and who dodged the draft.

Trump is the ruling class, wealthy enough to buy his exemption from the normal experiences of his fellow citizens, far more than Obama, or even Bush ever were. If this is what America's blue collar wants, it's a sure sign that American isn't ready for democracy anymore.

Obama was a 45 year old junior Senator from Illinois with a whole 2 years in Washington under his belt when he announced. Nobody batted an eye.

Are you listing that as a pro, or a con. Because you just got done singing the virtues of being a political neophyte, and now you seem to be complaining about a relatively short Senate career. In fact, I seem to recall you being pretty opposed to someone so inexperienced being elected President. So which is it?

A 69 year old New York Billionaire rides the gold escalator down to the lobby of the gold plated sky scraper with his name on the front and announces and people are pointing and laughing.

Because he's from the wrong class.

They're not laughing anymore.

71, I believe. 70 during the election.

America's love affair with naked avarice is pathological. I'm pleased that a greater number of Americans saw through the farce of Trump's populism, but there are still tens of millions of rubes out there, empowered by the circumstances of geography and a broken electoral system, as well as the influence of a foreign adversary's transient blessing.
 

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Well, Trump doesn't deserve anyone's silence..

Considering that the legitimate presidents never participated in NON-stop lies about their predecessors before and AFTER they were in office (wiretapping, etc.), Trump waived his right to any type of good will or consideration.
 

rexlunae

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Considering that the legitimate presidents never participated in NON-stop lies about their predecessors before and AFTER they were in office (wiretapping, etc.), Trump waived his right to any type of good will or consideration.

Trump slandered Obama just this week. I think at minimum that he has a right to respond. Obama tried giving Trump space and time to grow into the office. It didn't help, which was kinda predictable, but the stakes are too high not to speak out, and I applaud him for it.
 

Rusha

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Trump slandered Obama just this week. I think at minimum that he has a right to respond. Obama tried giving Trump space and time to grow into the office. It didn't help, which was kinda predictable, but the stakes are too high not to speak out, and I applaud him for it.
As do I.
 

The Barbarian

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So, your statement that;

Barbarian, earlier:
Bush took him to the woodshed over his lie about previous presidents not calling the families of fallen soldiers.


A confusion. A former Bush staffer took Trump to the woodshed over his lies about former presidents, Bush let him have it over other things he's messed up, but not his lies specifically.

utter hogwash, got it.

If you'd occasionally admit to being wrong, you'd be more credible.
 

The Barbarian

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Reminded me of old Louisiana days there for awhile, yeh, those agitators, I mean alligators would quake in fear when I paddled by on the went sliding by.

In North Louisiana, at least, they had learned to be very wary of humans in boats. Even when they were protected by law, that didn't mean much out on the bayous.
 
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