You do understand that punching someone in the chest could kill them, right? Officer.
Pastor brags about punching kid in the chest
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You do understand that punching someone in the chest could kill them, right? Officer.
musterion
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Feature, not bug.
Doormat brought that up.
BUT...
we don't know if Ben was a 6'5" 300 lb. lineman for his high school football team or a 5 ft nuttin 98 lb. weakling.
I'm thinking that the youth pastor wouldn't have hit him hard if he were the latter.
The bottom line here is this:
Does punishment (in this case corporal punishment for an unruly Christian teenager), help lead people down the road of righteousness?
According to the clip that a God HATING atheist showed us, it did.
If you don't believe so, make your case.
musterion
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First he justified not sharing Christ with lost Mormons on his porch because they're his fellow conservatives, thus right enough with God.
Now he repeatedly justifies a false pastor's violence. Doesn't matter WHO he struck or how old. A pastor is commanded NOT TO BE VIOLENT, and the guy boasted that he was.
Take note, all non-Christians: ACW does not believe the Bible. Speaking only for myself, I do not consider him saved, so please use caution in using him as an example of what all Christians are or are supposed to be, in case you're inclined to do so.
Now he repeatedly justifies a false pastor's violence. Doesn't matter WHO he struck or how old. A pastor is commanded NOT TO BE VIOLENT, and the guy boasted that he was.
Take note, all non-Christians: ACW does not believe the Bible. Speaking only for myself, I do not consider him saved, so please use caution in using him as an example of what all Christians are or are supposed to be, in case you're inclined to do so.
Quincy
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Yea, of course. Violence falls on to the person performing it only. The bible instructs discipline by the rod, or small limb for means of spiritual correction. It's not meant to say.... break a collar bone or ribs like a punch to the chest as hard as you can would, potentially. When I said religious establishment, I meant it quite specifically the ones that would be ok this. I don't think there's very many of them and the bible doesn't teach this.
And yet you are cheering on a supposed pastor for assaulting a child ... who was not even his own kid.
Considering he shouldn't have hit him at all, your *thinking* is impaired.
It wasn't *corporal punishment*. It was an assault. Assaulting a teenager and then going on to BRAG about showed him as nothing more than a child abusing bully and braggart.
Already did. Pastor. Was. Abusive. Officer. Approves. Of this abuse.
elohiym
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No.
Were you led down the road of righteousness by being punished for your sins or by being shown mercy?
I see that musty is just obsessed with me.
I'll make my Biblical point and then let the piranha's take over the thread:
Holy Scripture is full of verses that talks about children that disobey their parents (i.e. authority).
http://www.openbible.info/topics/disobeying_your_parents
Based on the evidence before us, the parents of the teenager we know as "Ben", entrusted their son to the youth minister of their church, and unless one of you want to do your homework and see if said youth pastor was brought up on criminal charges for giving "Ben" a much needed punch, then obviously the parents were thankful and approved.
Respect righteous authority, God demands it of us (even you musty).
I'll make my Biblical point and then let the piranha's take over the thread:
Holy Scripture is full of verses that talks about children that disobey their parents (i.e. authority).
http://www.openbible.info/topics/disobeying_your_parents
Based on the evidence before us, the parents of the teenager we know as "Ben", entrusted their son to the youth minister of their church, and unless one of you want to do your homework and see if said youth pastor was brought up on criminal charges for giving "Ben" a much needed punch, then obviously the parents were thankful and approved.
Respect righteous authority, God demands it of us (even you musty).
Doom
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ACW has never known the way of righteousness, so he won't be able to give you an honest answer.
Christian Liberty
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Arthur Brain
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No, punching a kid full force in the chest is abuse Connie. I would have thought as a *cop* you would have been aware of this. Tell me, if this guy had punched the kid in the head to 'straighten' him out would you have approved in much the same way?
Lon
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It is anecdotal with nothing else to back it up one way or the other. I'd suggest either reporting it to CPS or letting it go. I'm not sure discussing it on TOL is going anywhere. My 2 cents, probably not worth even that...
Arthur Brain
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Quincy
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I have my doubts about whether it even happened, since you'd think the boy would have been taken to the ER after getting punched in the chest by a grown man, as hard as the man could punch. He would have got charged then, one would hope. We'd need more information than what the video gives but uh, regardless, on principal it would be a dumb thing to do by a guy who'd rather trust violence instead of faith in God to do his work.
What probably happened, was a case of a hot-headed preacher getting mad at a smart-alec kid and he smacked him on shoulder, turning it into some big deal during his sermon.
What probably happened, was a case of a hot-headed preacher getting mad at a smart-alec kid and he smacked him on shoulder, turning it into some big deal during his sermon.
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Does punishment (in this case corporal punishment for an unruly Christian teenager), help lead people down the road of righteousness?
I know that this answer will send you and your liberal buddy Doom into cardiac arrest, but here it goes:
I was spanked as a kid when I was unruly and it made me see the straight and narrow that much clearer.
GASP!!!
(neither of you can relate to that "spare the rod, spoil the child" verse from Holy Scripture obviously).
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Does punishment (in this case corporal punishment for an unruly Christian teenager), help lead people down the road of righteousness?
I know that this answer will send you and your liberal buddy Doom into cardiac arrest, but here it goes:
I was spanked as a kid when I was unruly and it made me see the straight and narrow that much clearer.
GASP!!!
(neither of you can relate to that "spare the rod, spoil the child" verse from Holy Scripture obviously).
You're once again showing that you never played sports Art (I suppose ping pong is a sport, for those that don't want to break a fingernail).
Hitting someone in the chest is quite different than hitting someone in the head.
A Christian claims to have done something that deserves police attention.
Therefore... something. :idunno:
Evolutionists hate a rational discussion.
Doom
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I'm far more conservative than a prig like you. I just happen to think that spanking my own children is a far cry from assaulting someone else's teenager with my fist. Obviously, that's how you do things.
That's a far cry from assaulting someone else's child with a punch in the chest from an adult.
Not sure I've ever encountered anyone as stupid as you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I know that this answer will send you and your liberal buddy Doom into cardiac arrest, but here it goes:
Follow up on the case, see if the parents disapproved and filed criminal charges and/or if the youth pastor was disciplined. I'm sure the atheist that posted the video can assist you in your investigation.
Quote:
I was spanked as a kid when I was unruly and it made me see the straight and narrow that much clearer.
Be sure to get back to us on your investigation on whether or not the parents filed charges or if the youth pastor was disciplined.
Quote:
(neither of you can relate to that "spare the rod, spoil the child" verse from Holy Scripture obviously).
(It's my 3 part WHMBR! thread that really has sent Doom into a tizzy).
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I know that this answer will send you and your liberal buddy Doom into cardiac arrest, but here it goes:
Follow up on the case, see if the parents disapproved and filed criminal charges and/or if the youth pastor was disciplined. I'm sure the atheist that posted the video can assist you in your investigation.
Quote:
I was spanked as a kid when I was unruly and it made me see the straight and narrow that much clearer.
Be sure to get back to us on your investigation on whether or not the parents filed charges or if the youth pastor was disciplined.
Quote:
(neither of you can relate to that "spare the rod, spoil the child" verse from Holy Scripture obviously).
(It's my 3 part WHMBR! thread that really has sent Doom into a tizzy).
Doom
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No need. The fact that you defend this kind of behavior is all we need to know about what kind of a person you are. If it was my son, you'd be eating soup through a straw for a very long time.