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rexlunae

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ok doser said:
what, like assange?


and if an action isn't illegal in the jurisdiction in which it originates, what do you do?
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The crime is invading the DNC servers, and John Podesta's emails. That's a felony under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, because those computers were located in the United States. Anyone who falls within the reach of the United States' justice system who participated in that crime could be charged with that felony, to include US citizens, and Russians with the bad luck to end up in a country with an extradition treaty.
 
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ok doser

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jgarden said:
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well, let's see if that holds true in the US

If "stupidity" is measurable by IQ score, then we have an easily identifiable group in the US with an average IQ of 85, well below the mean of 100. As it happens, 92% of this group identifies as Democrat.

Sorry JSM - mighta held true in merrie olde england, but in today's world you're a huge fail.
 
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Town Heretic

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annabenedetti said:
1. This isn't "social media."

2. It's hilarious that he "feels" that "some people on TOL" are paid, rather than just having an interest in politics and in facts.

3. It's more hilarious that because these "some people" are "way too thorough and detailed" and provide "ready links" that he "feels" they're "trolls."

What does that say about the ones he "feels" are not trolls?:rotfl:
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That they're as unprepared, factually deficient, and emotionally driven as he typically is?

Because if you have a grasp of fact, can use a Google readily enough to provide ample links to authority and have an argument you've actually considered, in that world it's got to look suspicious. :plain:
 
ClimateSanity

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rexlunae said:
Good job missing the point.
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Do you think rust belt blue collar workers are rubes or not?

Whoever reported this as racist misses my point more severely than I supposedly missed yours.

I got your point. But you also exposed your hatred of blue collar folks from Pennsylvania etc...
Bitter clingers
 
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ClimateSanity said:
Do you think rust belt blue collar workers are rubes or not?
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Some of them. Those who bought Don's con about "make America great again", for sure. Certainly not limited to the rust belt though.

ClimateSanity said:
Whoever reported this as racist misses my point more severely than I supposedly missed yours.
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Wasn't me.

ClimateSanity said:
I got your point. But you also exposed your hatred of blue collar folks from Pennsylvania etc...
Bitter clingers
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If you think that's what I did, then you didn't get the point.
 
ClimateSanity

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rexlunae said:
Some of them. Those who bought Don's con about "make America great again", for sure. Certainly not limited to the rust belt though.



Wasn't me.



If you think that's what I did, then you didn't get the point.
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Then why say rubes at all in reference to a group of people who share a common culture?
 
ClimateSanity

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America is great again in so far s bringing back some of what was lost. Sure there is a long way to go but the elimination of the progressive power and MSM influence would almost finish the task.
 
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Danoh

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ClimateSanity said:
Do you think rust belt blue collar workers are rubes or not?

Whoever reported this as racist misses my point more severely than I supposedly missed yours.

I got your point. But you also exposed your hatred of blue collar folks from Pennsylvania etc...
Bitter clingers
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A bit of humour...

Amusingly, CR (to me at least) your actual point was missed by the same reading into a thing absent of consideration the whole of the context you said it in, not only that you yourself apparantly applied the absence of some time ago, when you concluded I was asserting you were racist, when you read my words out of their context, but that the individual who just recently banned you, apparently read your remark absent of.

The chickens have come home to roost on the heads of the far too long coddled on TOL.

If but for an accidental moment.

:chuckle:

The resulting hurt, expected, nevertheless. It goes with the privilege of being coddled. It is its resulting cost.

I warned Sherman that coddling you guys was actually hurting you.

For only "tribulation worketh patience."

First, STP, over in the Flat Earth thread on the Religion forum has been basically punched right in the mouth.

Just as I repeatedly warned him some of his "friends" on here might turn on him, in their misread of his intent, one day.

Here we are.

Now you.

Its best if you just take such moments with a....

:chuckle:

That it's resulting unintended "tribulation" as one of the coddled on here, nevertheless work it obviously equally unintended "patience."

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

There, in those words, is found the Believer's comfort during such moments, whether such moments are intebded, or not.

Not in some hoped for fairness from people Christ had to die for, to begin with - we are so imperfect.

And not in the uncertainty of strangers as "friends" on one site or another, on the ever uncertain world wide web.

Rather, in a focus on...in memory of Romans 5:6-8, CR - in each...our stead - whether or not, things go our way at the hands of another.

The Cross alone...is certain.

Or as Paul put all that, in his day...

Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Now that...is certain.

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Danoh

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ClimateSanity said:
America is great again in so far s bringing back some of what was lost. Sure there is a long way to go but the elimination of the progressive power and MSM influence would almost finish the task.
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You actually believe the individual so aptly described in the following, so long ago, has your best interests...at heart:

No figure has come to symbolize the excesses of the 1980s as vividly or as powerfully as Donald Trump. As master builder, as media star, as bestselling author, as conspicuously wealthy consumer, Trump reigned — until his spectacular collapse — unchallenged as a unique new breed of entrepreneurial superstar, one who was as confidently victorious on television and the podiums of an endless string of press conferences as he was in the boardrooms and bankers' offices where he waged his epic battles. For all the media attention that has been devoted to him, though, what do we really know about Donald Trump, apart from what he has carefully contrived to foster the myth of a self-made financial genius, a man for whom extravagance was merely a perquisite of success?

In Trump, The Deals And The Downfall, the journalist most qualified to tell the story finally unravels the myth and reveals the truth behind the rise and fall of the remarkable mogul. For over thirteen years — from the time Trump was an audacious newcomer on the New York real estate scene — Wayne Barrett has scrupulously followed Trump's career, and has charted a pattern of backroom deals and the underside of Trump's own business practices — behavior nothing like the canny prowess celebrated in Donald's own autobiographies. The Trump we meet in this exceptional book is a man who, rather than a self-created millionaire, is in fact heir both to a substantial empire built by his equally rapacious father and to the Democratic machine connections that made the empire possible. Barrett's investigative biography takes us from the days of Donald's lonely youth to his brash entry into the real estate market, and to the still-secret machinations behind the major deals that made his name; from the initial triumph of the Hyatt Hotel to the successful purchase of the largest parcel of real estate in Manhattan, the West Side Yards; from the incomparably opulent Trump Tower to such contrasting showpieces as the Taj Mahal casino and the Plaza Hotel; from the extravagance of the $1,OOO-per-square-foot, unoccupied Trump Palace apartments to the extraordinary, desolate Palm Beach estate Mar-A-Lago.

Barrett's investigation of these deals provides not only a fascinating chronicle of Trump's own suspect business practices, but also a hair-raising account of the workings of power brokers in the heady and heedless money culture of the 1980s. Here is a detailed portrait of the forces that made a Donald Trump possible: the banks that advanced him staggering loans, at times based on misleading information; Trump family associations with mob-connected figures; and compromising alliances with governors, mayors, and perhaps his most powerful benefactor of all, the rogue lawyer Roy Cohn.

Most compellingly Barrett paints an unprecedentedly intimate portrait of Trump himself, a man driven by bravado, ambition, and an anxious ruthlessness to subdue his rivals and control his allies. We see him head to head with an opponent as powerful as Pete Rozelle, ingratiating himself with the brooding governor on the Hudson, and fueling the Drexel engine driven by Michael Milken with hundreds of millions in fees — paid, ironically, by gaming companies to fend off Trump takeovers. We look behind the headlines to explore his complicated emotional and business relationship with Ivana, and the use he planned to make of his mistress Marla Maples as a "southern strategy" in his contemplated presidential campaign. And through interviews with scores of adversaries and former colleagues we are given a privileged look at Trump the businessman in action — arrogant as often as he is brilliant, reliant on threats as much as on charm, and ultimately a cautionary tale: himself the victim of a career that will see no parallel in our lifetime.

Praise for Trump: The Deals and the Downfall

"Trump is a withering portrait of the most self-mythologized and promoted businessman of our era, an exhaustively researched and long-overdue antidote to Trump's own books. It is a penetrating portrait of the age that spawned him and the many who aided and abetted his rise. Trump seems destined to be the definitive account of how Trump got ahead and why he fell. It is a sad story, with important lessons for us all." — James B. Stewart, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Den of Thieves (D.Note: Stewart's book is an account of the massive Wall Street crime that ended up with many of its participants behind bars).

"Donald Trump surprises us again. Wayne Barrett's Trump is a fresh, detailed, and vivid account of the tangled connections of money, politics, and power in our times." —(D.Note: Investigative Organized Crime Reporter) Nicholas Pileggi, author of Wiseguy (D. Note: Pileggi's book is a True Account of Life in a New York Organized Crime Family, and was the book the movie Goodfellas, was largely based on).

http://www.nationinstitute.org/featuredwork/books/1283/trump:_the_deals_and_the_downfall/
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But there is no reasoning with the typical Trump supoorter.

Thank God then, for the only certainty in this life - the certainty that is Romans 5:6-9.

Might as well make use such wilful indifference to the truth about Trump, as a means of pointing others to the only certainty - the Cross of Christ.
 
ClimateSanity

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Danoh said:
A bit of humour...

Amusingly, CR (to me at least) your actual point was missed by the same reading into a thing absent of consideration the whole of the context you said it in, not only that you yourself apparantly applied the absence of some time ago, when you concluded I was asserting you were racist, when you read my words out of their context, but that the individual who just recently banned you, apparently read your remark absent of.

The chickens have come home to roost on the heads of the far too long coddled on TOL.

If but for an accidental moment.

:chuckle:

The resulting hurt, expected, nevertheless. It goes with the privilege of being coddled. It is its resulting cost.

I warned Sherman that coddling you guys was actually hurting you.

For only "tribulation worketh patience."

First, STP, over in the Flat Earth thread on the Religion forum has been basically punched right in the mouth.

Just as I repeatedly warned him some of his "friends" on here might turn on him, in their misread of his intent, one day.

Here we are.

Now you.

Its best if you just take such moments with a....

:chuckle:

That it's resulting unintended "tribulation" as one of the coddled on here, nevertheless work it obviously equally unintended "patience."

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

There, in those words, is found the Believer's comfort during such moments, whether such moments are intebded, or not.

Not in some hoped for fairness from people Christ had to die for, to begin with - we are so imperfect.

And not in the uncertainty of strangers as "friends" on one site or another, on the ever uncertain world wide web.

Rather, in a focus on...in memory of Romans 5:6-8, CR - in each...our stead - whether or not, things go our way at the hands of another.

The Cross alone...is certain.

Or as Paul put all that, in his day...

Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Now that...is certain.

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Do you have anything to say about Making America great and why you think some are gullible for believing it's possible?
 
ClimateSanity

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Danoh said:
You actually believe the individual so aptly described in the following, so long ago, has your best interests...at heart:



But there is no reasoning with the typical Trump supoorter.

Thank God then, for the only certainty in this life - the certainty that is Romans 5:6-9.

Might as well make use such wilful indifference to the truth about Trump, as a means of pointing others to the only certainty - the Cross of Christ.
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That was in response to this from me:

America is great again in so far as bringing back some of what was lost.

Do you agree that some of what was lost has been brought back again?

If so, people are not rubes for believing the promise.


You say it's stupid to believe the promise based on past dealings.

Is it possible that a person can love America with all his heart??? I mean the America us "deplorables" grew up knowing. Is it possible to be a cut throat business man and yet love the America I described above?
 
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