ECT Our triune God
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i ask personally, please, LA and Nang leave this thread, we know what you think and believe, we understand. sorry, I do. it is clear already to anyone on here. is satan that influential in your lives that you cannot ignore a trinity thread ? both of you are NOT Glorifying God in any way, shape or form. i implore you, STOP. start your OWN ANTI-TRINITY/ANTICHRIST THREAD and leave the Christians alone
You have no idea of what I believe because you have been indoctrinated by the RCC teachings you do not even know it.
How blind you must be.
You have to know the man Jesus Chridt personally to be saved, and you do not yet.
LA
PneumaPsucheSoma
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I know his theology well enough, and I'm not all about reading lengthy uninspired writings. That's a huge part of the problem in this modern church age. Everybody's all into men's writings instead of being in communion through scripture itself.
Barth isn't even clpse to being inspired writing, so no, I won't be spending time reading extensively what I already know as his views overall. I'm a member of a church that currently teaches Universal Atonement and other Barth-esque views; and I'm currently led of the Spirit to be the primary influence that is changing the entire false and incomplete doctrine of the fellowship so that they can know the depth of the truth of the actual Gospel instead.
Yeah, so do the LDSers and JWs, etc. Here a Jesus, there a Jesus, everywhere a Jesus.
You don't know Paul's Gospel. Universal Atonement is not Paul's Gospel. Read Gslatians 1 and see what the penalty for that is.
False dialectic is no replacement for the truly didactic. Your perception of Col. 1:16-17 of "in" Christ is referring to initial creation. All are not "in" Christ via Universal Atonement. It has to be individual snd hypostatic; and much more than you recognize.
This is just a weird jacked-up accusation from false perception. "I think" is your own logos, not God's.
"I think" again. You're not completely aware of the Evangel beyond a Hellenistic Jew limited perspective. You don't really know what it means to be "in Christ". You've wasted the individual hypostatic translation on a Universal Atonement concept.
I have. It's not the Gospel.
Read inspired scripture. Get out of uninspired writings of men as your filter for inspired scripture for incomplete and false concepts that eclipse the content of God's Rhema.
No. It's actually a misrepresentation of grace, and few even know what grace is or does.
But everybody's "all in with Jesus", or whatever.
EDIT: Since it's only a 43-page PDF, I will read Barth's Dogmatics just to make sure I haven't missed any depth of necessary criticism, etc.
Nang
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I am a Trinitarian and have no idea who you think you are, to be telling posters to leave threads.
TFTn5280
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You don't have to be, until you start criticizing another man's position. And then you owe it to him to be informed in your criticism. Or really all it is is an ad hom, among other fallacies. You rattle your cage and roar like a lion, but everything that comes out of your mouth demonstrates that you do not even have a basic understanding of Barth or Torrance either one ~ hence no understanding of universal atonement and my position on it. You would be better served to desist in your argumentation. Any man who claims to have the one and only true and historical understanding of such things as the doctrine of God and salvation, should not be trusted to know much about anything. Did you say your name was Joseph Smith? Go home. And take your chimp with you.
:nono: We're actually talking a little closer to 7,000.
TFTn5280
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LOL, Lon!
Yours is a link to a 43-page, editor's outline of Barth's "Dogmatics." I'll post his introductory comments below: Karl Barth, Church Dogmatics, Volume I
Barth, Karl. Church Dogmatics. Edited by G. W. Bromiley and T. F. Torrance. Four volumes, in twelve parts (one in two halves), plus index. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1936–1977. Cited by volume, part, and page. Study Edition, in thirty-one paperback fascicles. London and New York: T. & T. Clark, 2009.
Funny ~ isn't, Lon ~ how much the know-it-alls really know about Barth? Makes ya wonder how much they know about Fuller Theological Seminary, too, doesn't it? LOL
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Your just not his type of Trinitarian!
Maybe your an ugly Trinitarian? ... perhaps a Fat Trinitarian? either way... Your not welcome by him??? :think:
:idunno:
Paul
Lon
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Arsenio explains why Jesus glorified, is more than a man
Arsenio explains why Jesus glorified, is more than a man
Revelation 5
Arsenio explains why Jesus glorified, is more than a man
Revelation 5
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Lon
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You KNOW you are in trouble when the OUTLINE is 43 pages! I haven't even finished the ECF or all of Institutes yet!LOL, Lon!
Karl Barth, Church Dogmatics, Volume I
Barth, Karl. Church Dogmatics. Edited by G. W. Bromiley and T. F. Torrance. Four volumes, in twelve parts (one in two halves), plus index. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1936–1977. Cited by volume, part, and page. Study Edition, in thirty-one paperback fascicles. London and New York: T. & T. Clark, 2009.
Funny ~ isn't, Lon ~ how much the know-it-alls really know about Barth? Makes ya wonder how much they know about Fuller Theological Seminary, too, doesn't it? LOL
PneumaPsucheSoma
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That's actually the role and position you've assigned to Barth and Torrance, et al; and to which I'm responding, which incenses you.
Why the double standard? Why would you not consider Barth or Torrance "Joseph Smith"?
And why the Relativism/Pluralism of presuming there isn't one truth and/or that we can't know it? That's also Futilistic, with hints of other modern "isms".
Notice I've not futily proferred any information about Fuller. I understand indoctrination and cognitive dissonance, which was the very founding premise of Fuller's origins to intentionally undermine the Christian faith in this culture.
I initially thought it was a condensed synopsis I could peruse. Amazing that you recommend such a voluminous work of man; and even more amazing that you wouldn't recommend that same time and energy in scripture with the original languages apart from the academia (and subjective opinions) of men.
As I said... Some are of Apollos, some are of whoever else; you are of Barth and Torrance, with a heart and mind sculpted by Fuller for such things.
Your language exposure alone should let you see at some point whose poiema you have become. Subtly, though. Hard to distinguish.
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Patrick thinks he is God.
He even knows more than God does.
Here is a verse Paul wrote especially for Patrick--
Rom 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy.
LA
Jedidiah
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η αγαπη αν-υποκριτος
That means Actor. Not hypocrite. "Let love be without dissimulation."
That means Actor. Not hypocrite. "Let love be without dissimulation."
not only does LA know what God thinks, can and can't do, LA knows what i think too. -
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Nang
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LOL, Lon!
Karl Barth, Church Dogmatics, Volume I
Barth, Karl. Church Dogmatics. Edited by G. W. Bromiley and T. F. Torrance. Four volumes, in twelve parts (one in two halves), plus index. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1936–1977. Cited by volume, part, and page. Study Edition, in thirty-one paperback fascicles. London and New York: T. & T. Clark, 2009.
Funny ~ isn't, Lon ~ how much the know-it-alls really know about Barth? Makes ya wonder how much they know about Fuller Theological Seminary, too, doesn't it? LOL
If Barth had not so often expressed inconsistent and contradictory double-mindedness, his works would have been far less verbose, voluminous, and suspect.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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This has been my perception overall, and I hate the thought of reading an entire 14-volume set to glean any clearer representation of him (or ANY writings of men).
The entirety of the Patristics isn't that voluminous. I'd like to read a singular summary by/about Barth, and the same for Torrance. But 7000 pages is absurd. That's precious prayer and scripture time.
thanks for some additional judgement. you disrupt and distract, pretending to ask questions, when you've already decided the answer. probably been doing it for years, you can't help it -
atrol:you couldn't even spell Christ correctly, see how that works ?
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