These are fine scriptures that show the difference between the Father and the Son.
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These are fine scriptures that show the difference between the Father and the Son.
IMJerusha
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"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place." Revelation 1:1
"Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth." Revelation 1:4-5
I don't deny Scripture at all.
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." Luke 18:19
Yeshua never stated that He is the Father or that He is equal to the Father (Sorry Lon, your interpretation of John 14 is incorrect). If He were to have done that, the entire Headship (1 Corinthians 11:3) is nothing and if that is the case, then a whole lot of Scriptural teaching goes down the drain.
IMJerusha
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The message is from God through Yeshua to John. Yeshua does not declare Himself the Alpha and Omega, God does. Yeshua states clearly that without God, He can do nothing. John 5:30.
Jerry Shugart
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You really need to read the verses I quoted to you. Here it is the Lord Jesus who says that He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end:
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Rev.22:12-13).
This has to be the Lord Jesus saying "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" because the One who said that also said, "I come quickly."
And there can be no doubt that is the Lord Jesus:
"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus" (Rev.22:20).
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IMJerusha
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Gee, I had no clue that Theophilus was a Jew...oh, he wasn't. Most theologians are of the knowledge that Theophilus was of Gentile background, possibly a high ranking Roman official from Luke's address "most excellent," and the point of Luke's address to Theophilus was to explain the importance of Yeshua's teachings for Christians of Gentile background. If Luke's letter to Theophilus pertains to Jews as you claim, there would have been no need for Luke to explain who Zechariah was since he was a well known priest of the Temple to the Jews. You really need to stop repeating incorrect teaching.
IMJerusha
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Bad lesson.
Theophilus, a greek name meaning friend of God. Written to the gentiles
Coming from the likes of you, I'll take that as a "supreme compliment."
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Matthew 15:24 states: "But he answered and said,
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house
of Israel."
Your argument would be with our Lord Jesus Christ!"
I believe in the "Grace Message" known as, Paul's Gospel.
Christ came for the Lost sheep of the House of Israel in Matthew through
John. The Body of Christ didn't come along until Paul was sent to the gentiles,
preaching the Grace Message. Matthew through John is to the Jews, not to the
gentiles IMJ. You don't know how to "Rightly Divide" the word of God.
Christ and His Disciples preached the "Kingdom Gospel" to the Jews and Paul
preached the Grace Message to the gentiles. Two separate Messages.
John. The Body of Christ didn't come along until Paul was sent to the gentiles,
preaching the Grace Message. Matthew through John is to the Jews, not to the
gentiles IMJ. You don't know how to "Rightly Divide" the word of God.
Christ and His Disciples preached the "Kingdom Gospel" to the Jews and Paul
preached the Grace Message to the gentiles. Two separate Messages.
If you choose to live under the Law, IMJ, then, you must keep all of it.
oatmeal
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Since you do not provide scripture, as usual, you provide no reason for me to believe you.
It is clear that scripture is not the source of your beliefs.
I Corinthians 8:6 still stands.
Jesus fulfilled that mission and then sent His disciples into all of the world to all peoples beginning at Jerusalem in Acts ch 2. when they went first to the lost sheep among the gentiles and then to all peoples.
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
If you have not the same desire as they did in you then you have not been baptized with the same Spirit as they had.
You claim to be baptized into the body of Christ simply by your believing.
The Church began through obedience to Acts 2:38 which you reject.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
LA
Nah, they preached the Kingdom Message to the Jews and Paul took
his Message to the gentiles. Don't you get tired of being wrong?
Galatians 2:7 states: "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel
of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the
circumcision was unto Peter;"
That could not be so, for then Adam would have been born again, which he was not.
The spirit breathed into Adam, though from God, was a created spirit of man which also Jesus was born from in Mary, or He would not have been born human and the atonement would have been illegal and therefore of no effect.
LA
You people really need to learn how to "Rightly Divide" the Bible. Otherwise,
you'll remain confused.
you'll remain confused.
There is but one gospel for all men regardless.
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Gal 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
LA
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The Son is the Spirit of God with a body.
The Son is NOT what trinitarians say, and that is that the Son is a different and separate person.