Matthew 12:40

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jamie said:
That is not the sign Jesus gave. Have we not already been through this?
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Matthew 16:21
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.​


Mark 9:31
31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.​


Luke 9:22
22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.​


The Bible offers a preponderance of evidence that Jesus would be raised on the third day, not on the fourth day as you presume.
 
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genuineoriginal said:
A day never begins in the evening.
A day begins in the morning.
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And a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man (he had not consented to their plan and action), a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; this man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain.

It was the preparation day and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes.

And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. (Luke 23:50-56 NASB)​
 
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jamie said:
And a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man (he had not consented to their plan and action), a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; this man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain.

It was the preparation day and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes.

And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. (Luke 23:50-56 NASB)​
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You can prove that the Jews changed the counting of days during the captivity in Babylon.
I can do that by showing that they now count the seventh month as the first month.
That does not prove that God changed the meaning of day to include night.
It only proves that man has changed times.

Daniel 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.​

 
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It is a night to be observed for the LORD for having brought them out from the land of Egypt; this night is for the LORD to be observed by all the sons of Israel throughout their generations. (Exodus 12:42 NASB)

And on that same day the LORD brought the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their hosts. (Exodus 12:51 NASB)​

The Passover meal was observed at night and the sons of Israel left that same day.
 
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jamie,
re: "Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night."

If by Thursday night you mean the night of the 5th day of the week, then you think that the crucifixion took place on the 4th day of week? If so, then 4 calendar days would be involved.
 
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Someone new looking in who thinks that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language may know of examples of writing that show that it was common to say that a night time and/or a daytime was involved with an event when no part of the night time and/or no part of the daytime could have occurred.
 
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rstrats said:
If by Thursday night you mean the night of the 5th day of the week, then you think that the crucifixion took place on the 4th day of week? If so, then 4 calendar days would be involved.
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Involved in what?
 
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rstrats said:
jamie,
re: "Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night."

If by Thursday night you mean the night of the 5th day of the week, then you think that the crucifixion took place on the 4th day of week? If so, then 4 calendar days would be involved.
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Thursday night - Thursday, Friday night - Friday, Saturday night - Saturday equals three days and three nights.

Friday, Saturday, Sunday would be the third day for the sign of Jonah.
 
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Jamie,

OK, sorry. I'd forgotten that you don't think that the Messiah was placed in the tomb on the day that He died.
 
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rstrats said:
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a common Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that a phrase stating a certain number of days, as well as a certain number of nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didn’t include at least parts of the specified number of days and at least parts of the specified number of nights?
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There were two Sabbath's that week, a "High Sabbath" of Passover proceeded the regular Sabbath.
Jews counted sundown as a new day, so the burial had to take place prior to sundown start of Passover.

Remember, they "roasted" the LAMB in the afternoon and then went indoors before sundown to have the Passover meal. The next day would be the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (sinless), followed by the Feast of Firstfruits (resurrection).
 
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beameup,

Since it appears you are not a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate, you probably won't know of any examples.
 
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Someone new looking in who believes that Matthew 12:40 is employing common Jewish idiomatic language may know of examples that show that it was common to say that a night time or a daytime was forecast to be involved with an event when no part of a night time or no part of a daytime could have taken place.
 
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Ben Masada,
re: "All you need is Matthew 28:1 to see that the three days and three night of Mat. 12:40 did not happened."


How does Matthew 28:1 show that at least a portion of each one of 3 daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times didn't happen?
 
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