Justified by Faith Means Justified by Christ

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"Go into all of the world and preach the Gospel".

He also gave this commandment to them

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ
and anything that pertains to God
and the Kingdom of God is HOLY.

True of false?
 

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Sure it does, you are to blind to see it. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Romans 5:13, but only for the Christian.
For the umpteenth time, show us were the scripture says that "Jesus kept the law for us".

That is NOT in the Bible. It is a FALSE doctrine that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
 

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He also gave this commandment to them

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ
and anything that pertains to God
and the Kingdom of God is HOLY.

True of false?

Your right, but while we are teaching the Gospel we cast our pearls before swine.
 

Robert Pate

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For the umpteenth time, show us were the scripture says that "Jesus kept the law for us".

That is NOT in the Bible. It is a FALSE doctrine that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till ALL BE FULFILLED, Matthew 5:18.

All that Jesus did was for our justification. Unless you believe that Jesus was justifying himself.
 

john w

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You are without the righteousness of Christ, because you reject the fact that Jesus fulfilled the law for you.

You cannot be justified unless you are justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus justifies the ungodly by doing for the ungodly that which they cannot do for themselves.

Yes, He fulfilled the law for us, deceiver, but not for the made up reason you continue to spam, that is not once taught in the book, i.e., so that his "walk in the law" could be imputed to us. No, He fulfilled the law, with "100% compliance," to be qualified to be the satisfactory sacrifice,"propitiation," the "lamb without blemish," per the Kinsman Redeemer doctrine in the book, of which you are clueless.

According to the Old Testament laws regarding punishment and retribution for a crime(sin), when one was assaulted, robbed, murdered...., the responsibility to bring the criminal to justice and to protect the lives/property of the relatives fell to the nearest "kinsman". This responsibility/obligation was referred to as "redeeming", and the man who had this role was called a "redeemer"('goel' in Hebrew). Thus, the LORD God would use this object lesson to teach that redemption(to buy back/release for the purpose of setting free) is provided by a kinsman redeemer. The kinsman redeemer is someone who is qualified to execute the law of redemption-he is qualified to pay the price of debt. This kinsman redeemer of the Old Testament was a "type" of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Redeemer. There were 4 requirements for redemption, one of which is:



The redeemer must not be compromised by his predicament, i.e., the redeemer must be free from that which caused the need for redemption. Thus, the redeemer could not redeem himself. No slave, for example, could redeem another slave. A person in bondage was in no position to redeem another. This explains the virgin conception. This REQUIRES that the redeemer be God. The Lord Jesus Christ "...knew no sin...."(2 Cor. 5:21-see also 1 John 3:5, 1 Peter 2:22, Hebrews 4:15, John 8:46, Exodus 12:5="YOUR LAMB SHALL BE WITHOUT BLEMISH(emphasis mine)". Only God fits this REQUIREMENT.

Hence, the "perfect" sacrifice.
 

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The Gospel is that work that Jesus did that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The Gospel
is the commandments
of Jesus the Christ.

True or false?

One of these is the truth.

Which is it.
 

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Sure it does, you are to blind to see it. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Romans 5:13, but only for the Christian.

Catch that twisted "logic," which he continues to spam? The law has been abolished for some people, but not others, as this deceiver just makes up the definition of "abolish," corrupts the meaning of words.


Pate-anity: The laws of other countries are abolished/destroyed for Americans, but are "un destroyed/un abolished" for citizens of their own respective countries!!!!



Get of this site, Pate.

What an idiot-does not even know what "abolish" means, butchering its biblical meaning. H e asserts, abolished at the cross, resurrected again for unbelievers.



No scripture says that He abolished the law, certainly not at the cross, moron.


Peter, the 11, kept the feasts, "post cross"-the feasts were according to the law:

Paul kept the feasts, "post cross"-the feasts were according to the law:

Acts 18 KJV

21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Acts 20 KJV
6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.


Acts 20 KJV

6 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.



Pate-ianity: The law was nailed to the cross!!!!!!The 12, Paul, did not keep the feasts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till ALL BE FULFILLED, Matthew 5:18.
I already showed what that verse REALLY MEANS, but you remain deaf, dumb and blind.

All that Jesus did was for our justification. Unless you believe that Jesus was justifying himself.
You are self-centered, believing that EVERYTHING that Jesus did was for you. He did SO much more and will continue to do so.

I guess that Matthew 5:17 is missing from your "Bible".
 

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Exodus 12:5 KJV Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:


He was examined, testified that he qualified:


John 19:6 KJV When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

1 Peter 1:19 KJV But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:


2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


He fulfilled the law to be the propitiation, satisfactory sacrifice-"without blemish."


Righteousness is apart from the law, Pate-The Lord Jesus Christ is righteous, because He is God, Pate, not because He fulfilled the law. Fulfilling the law, Pate, is not righteousness, Pate-it's just "doing what is required, " "the minimum," so to speak. Righteousness is not only doing what is required, by law, but ALWAYS


"Christ is not our righteousness who is our righteousness? We don't have any righteousness because we are all sinners, Romans 3:23. Jesus justifies us before God by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves because we are sinners. That is what Romans 3:26 is saying."-sloppy Pate

Slower-He is our righteousness, because we are in Him, not because this law keeping was "transferred" to us-that is not righteousness.



Romans 3:26 KJV
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


....has NADA to do with the Lord Jesus Christ living a righteous life on earth, keeping the law, and thus this "righteousness" is vicariously credited to us, per your "argument."


Righteousness is apart from the law-He is our righteousness, because we are in Him. .

1 Corinthians 1:30 KJVBut of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


Even slower: The Lord Jesus Christ is righteous, because of who He is, God in the flesh, and did not become righteous, by keeping/fulfilling the law upon earth, as you argue-that is not righteousness.

Romans 5:9 KJV is referring to His obedience by going to the cross, not by Him keeping "God's Holy Law" in our place, Pate=vicarious law keeping. That is a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

Romans 8 KJV
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Not for us, Pate.
 

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Keeping the law, with "100% compliance," "100% obedient to God's holy law," Pate, is not the righteousness of God-it's just doing what it is required.

Hebrews 7:19 KJV For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
 

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Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

In order for Jesus to be the savior of the whole world he has to provide salvation for the whole world, Hebrews 2:9. He becomes the savior of the whole world and provides salvation for the whole world by acting as humanities representative.

In our name and on our behalf as our representative Jesus has fulfilled every jot and tittle of God's Holy Law. He did this for our justification. Listen to what the scripture says.

"To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that he might be just and the JUSTIFIER of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

No one will enter heaven that has not been justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus justifies us by doing for us those things that we cannot do for ourselves.

In our name and on our behalf he has fulfilled every Jot and tittle of God's holy law, Matthew 5:18.

In our name and on our behalf Jesus has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

Satan does not want you to know this wonderful truth. This is why he has sent his disciples to try to refute it.
 

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Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

In order for Jesus to be the savior of the whole world he has to provide salvation for the whole world, Hebrews 2:9. He becomes the savior of the whole world and provides salvation for the whole world by acting as humanities representative.

In our name and on our behalf as our representative Jesus has fulfilled every jot and tittle of God's Holy Law. He did this for our justification. Listen to what the scripture says.

"To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that he might be just and the JUSTIFIER of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
For the millionth time, the scripture that you quote DOES NOT confirm the thing that you are claiming. It just doesn't.

You think that it does, but it just doesn't.

No one will enter heaven that has not been justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus justifies us by doing for us those things that we cannot do for ourselves.
You just KEEP ADDING that doing part.

In our name and on our behalf he has fulfilled every Jot and tittle of God's holy law, Matthew 5:18.
For the MILLIONTH time, that verse does NOT mean what you SAY that it means. AGAIN, does you Bible NOT have Matthew 5:17?

In our name and on our behalf Jesus has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
He atoned for our sins by dying on the cross and NOT by "keeping the law FOR US".

Satan does not want you to know this wonderful truth. This is why he has sent his disciples to try to refute it.
False accusation for the MILLIONTH time. You act like another false accuser that we all know.
 

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Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.


We know-irrelevant to your satanic "vicarious law keeping" made up "doctrine."
In order for Jesus to be the savior of the whole world he has to provide salvation for the whole world, Hebrews 2:9. He becomes the savior of the whole world and provides salvation for the whole world by acting as humanities representative.

We know-irrelevant to your satanic "vicarious law keeping" made up "doctrine."

In our name and on our behalf as our representative Jesus has fulfilled every jot and tittle of God's Holy Law. He did this for our justification. Listen to what the scripture says.

"To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that he might be just and the JUSTIFIER of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.


To be the satisfactory sacrifice, propitiation, not so that His fulfilling the law is imputed to us, as Pate-ianity makes up, and the verses you quote, say nothing about your satanic "vicarious law keeping" made up "doctrine."

No one will enter heaven that has not been justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus justifies us by doing for us those things that we cannot do for ourselves.


Word for word spam, that he just loads up in his spam gun. This "life," according to Pate, is not the Saviour's resurrected life, but His life in keeping the law, which Pate asserts is imputed to believers-straight from the pits of hell.

One more time, engager in deception. I do believe that all that the Lord Jesus Christ was, and all that the Lord Jesus Christ did, in walking in the law, was for our justification and our salvation, but not for the purpose you satanically assert,so shut for demonic mouth-false dichotomy.

He lived a perfect life, walking in the law, so as to be qualified to be the "lamb w/o spot/blemish," the satisfactory sacrifice, the "kinsman redeemer;" it is called propitiation, idiot. But not so his law keeping can be imputed to us-that is justification through the law, which is from hell.


Romans 3:21 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Watch Pate, again, devilishly corrupt the above, pervert it. Watch.





And sophistry. He equates "the doing" as keeping the law, which you assert makes Him/us righteous, which is from the pits of hell, and you spam this murky, fuzzy, made up "the doing" jazz, this "Everything Jesus did on earth, including eating, breathing, sleeping, walking on water, keeping the law(the feasts, water baptism, keeping the sabbath, showing yourself to a Levitical priest...........................................................................................................)snoring, crying, running................................................................................." justifies us.



In our name and on our behalf he has fulfilled every Jot and tittle of God's holy law, Matthew 5:18.

To be the satisfactory sacrifice, propitiation, to be qualified as the "kinsman redeemer,"not so that His fulfilling the law is imputed to us,and we thus become righteous, by the law, as Pate-ianity satanically makes up.





In our name and on our behalf Jesus has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
We know-irrelevant to your satanic "vicarious law keeping" made up "doctrine."


We are justified by the resurrected life of the Lord Jesus Christ, not his life on earth, keeping the law, being imputed to us, as you spam/assert, as your "vicarious law keeping" is a doctrine of demons, whose source is the pits of hell.
 

john w

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We are reconciled by the Lord Jesus Christ's death, saved by His resurrected life, but Pate-ianity fraud just makes things up,on the fly, makes up biblical "terms," in an utter careless disregard for the details of the book, in lackadaisically slop, spam, as he just hates studying the book, but merely spams internet satanic "doctrine," he read on GOOG,or on a church SOF, and would not know the difference between Adam, "the last Adam," which he terms "the new Adam," also made up, and Adam Ant.
 

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The Gospel is wonderful, wonderful news.

The Gospel is about how Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God the Father, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. In Jesus Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. All that have faith in Jesus have been made complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

Beware of those who teach without scripture.

We are complete in Jesus, because Jesus as our representative has justified us. There is no salvation without justification.

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Romans 5:1

Jesus as our advocate and representative justifies us by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to his holy law, Matthew 5:18.

2. A perfect atonement for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf has victoriously met both of these requirements. The law has been fulfilled, Matthew 5:18 and abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Where there is no law there is no judgment because,

"There is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh (religion) but after the Spirit" Romans 8:1.

Do not believe those who teach without scripture. They are the disciples of Satan.
 
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