@blueboy, did you perhaps miss my post?
Or do you just not have any answer to it?
So He wasn't lying, and did, in fact, raise Himself from the dead?
Do you have a mouse in your pocket or something?
Dead bodies of course, do not come back to life, because they are inanimate.
But we're not talking about dead bodies here.
We're talking about whether Jesus was lying when He said He would RAISE HIMSELF from the dead.
In what way does that make any sense, given the context of what scripture says?
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business.When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.And He said to those who sold doves,
“Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”Jesus answered and said to them,
“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”But He was speaking of the temple of His body.Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said. - John 2:13-22
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John2:13-22&version=NKJV
But that not's what happened.
Three days later, Jesus did, in fact, rise from the dead, and appeared before several hundred people, not the least of which was Thomas, who put his hands in Christ's hands and side.
Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.” So he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said,
“Peace to you!”Then He said to Thomas,
“Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”Jesus said to him,
“Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” - John 20:24-29
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John20:24-29&version=NKJV
Are you calling their testimony lies?
That still doesn't explain the above.
And what proof do you have for this?
Because I have a literal mountain of evidence that shows that Jesus told the truth when He said, referring to His body, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up," incliuding the hands-on experience Thomas had with Christ, and the empty tomb.
Truth has a way of entrenching itself.
There is nothing nonsensical about the Trinity.
Straw man.
God is 3 Persons in one Godhead.
Except that's not what is referred to by God being a Trinity.
God the Father, God the Son, and Holy Spirit, is.
Reminder, YOU are the guest on a mainline CHRISTIAN board. Calling what WE believe "heresy" won't fly.
YOU are the heretic here on this board, not us.
"Triune" means "three in one," knucklehead.
tri - three
une - one
There's literally no reason to say "yet one" here.
Saying it doesn't make it so, and you haven't shown it either.
Wrong.
One (including you) has an obligation to find out the truth, and believe that.
Words mean things, meaning you can't just dismiss those words by using "means something
to you" just because you don't like what they mean.
No one said you were.
We're not talking about "spirits." We're talking about God, Whom you DO deny.
Red herring. Irrelevant.
Supra.
Jesus said He would raise HIMSELF from the dead, and three days after His crucifixion, a few women discovered His empty tomb.
Why do you think this has any meaning in this conversation?
Jesus said, "Destroy [my body] and in three days I will raise it up again."
(By the way, what I said about Jesus "tabernacle-ing" in a tent of human flesh (John 1:14, among others) is extremely relevant here...)
Why do you call Him a liar by denying that He rose from the dead?
Because it's true.
False.
Whatever does that mean?
"The station of Christ?"
Supra.
But not God, and that's the issue here.
Jesus IS God. When you stand before Him on Judgement Day, that's going to be why He says "Depart from Me, for I never knew you."
What you believe does, in fact, make you a Christ hater, anti-Christ.
Conjecture not worth responding to.
Irrelevant. Christ Himself is who rose from the dead. The empty tomb in Israel is the proof
"Teachings" don't "rise from death."
They may be revived, in a figurative sense, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about Christ raising Himself, not His teachings, from the dead.
That's not what Scripture says.
A body doesn't decay in 3 days. It takes at least 3 weeks for it to decompose into at least a skeleton, and up to several years before it disappears completely, depending on the factors.
Christ was in the tomb for three days, sealed in there by the chief priests and the Pharisees, with a very large stone blocking the entrance, and guarded by guards.
On the third day, the tomb was opened supernaturally, the stone rolled away, and it was discovered empty.
Do you see the problem yet?
And He said He would raise Himself from the dead.
Did He or did He not raise HIMSELF from the dead?
Wrong.
The correct translation is, "Stop making stuff up."
You do.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
So stop denying it.
The point is that Jesus told the truth when He said "I will raise my body from the dead after three days."
You're chasing a red herring.
He's more than that!
He's GOD!
The only One who can meet those qualifications is God Himself.
No, but lying is lying. And you certainly do a lot of that.
We call you a liar because you lie, not because you disagree with us.
False.
God gave mankind His word. That's all the insight we need.
The only one imagining things here is you.
Says the one who thinks he knows better than the Author of the Bible.
Yet you do think we're lying, no?
What would it mean if we're instead telling the truth? Consider it.
Yes, we do.
Irrelevant.
Sincerity of beliefs doesn't make them true or false.
Then why are you even on this site?
