Lonster
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Er, the majority of my family is Catholic. I'm aware. I believe more than you on this point.
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Lonster
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1) I'm likely older than you and 2) you aren't "grown up" just because you've learned to eat everything without discernment. You grow up, youngster.
Lonster
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According to you, so is the rest of your family, but you simply think you are 'smarter' than the rest of us. Sorry, not true. Ignorance isn't 'the light' Keypurr. It amounts to you saying "While I'm not as intelligent as the rest of you, I disdain you for not coming down to my way of thinking." It is just this arrogant.
Idolater
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What does that mean.
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So you believe that there was a time when God was not Father and Son and Holy Spirit?
How was God the Father a "father" before He has a Son?
Father and Son describes their relationship and it is NOT biological.
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keypurr is one of the looniest of the loonie-toons here on TOL.
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https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm It means be informed. I appreciate a desire to 'include' like the Apostolic Church I saw that said "Muslims welcome here" but while one of these may attend any particular church, they may not be allowed to affect the orthodoxy of the local church else the local 'church' is no longer 'Christ-honoring' (Christian, orthodox). It means you extended the hand of fellowship to a man, whose heresy Urantia, completely undermines the Cross, Christ, and Salvation. He denies the very means of YOUR salvation, through the blood of Jesus Christ, in fact, he doesn't believe you need saved at all, but that you need to be rather "Urantia" informed.
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You two are making my head spin. One Catholic who screws things up and the other his family is Catholic and thinks he knows all about it.
First of all Lonster, from a Catholic perspective, only a Catholic can be charged with heresy because you have to be Catholic in the first place to even commit a heretical act:
2089 Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same
Second of all Idolator, your post, "Catholicism believes that all who believe in Christ, that He is risen from the dead and the Son of God, are Christians" is wrong. There are people who fit that bill who are surely not Christians.
Third of all Lonster, ANY person is welcome at Mass, Catholic protestant, other and atheist too. Jesus came for sinners not the righteous, and Jesus would eat with anyone who invited him. We would never deny any person the chance to see and hear the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Now chill out Frik and Frak
Idolater
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Uh huh.https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm It means be informed. I appreciate a desire to 'include' like the Apostolic Church I saw that said "Muslims welcome here" but while one of these may attend any particular church, they may not be allowed to affect the orthodoxy of the local church else the local 'church' is no longer 'Christ-honoring' (Christian, orthodox). It means you extended the hand of fellowship to a man, whose heresy Urantia, completely undermines the Cross, Christ, and Salvation. He denies the very means of YOUR salvation, through the blood of Jesus Christ, in fact, he doesn't believe you need saved at all, but that you need to be rather "Urantia" informed.
Muslims are welcome at Mass, just as is everybody. Everybody can attend Mass. You can't receive Communion is all, until and unless you convert (or in your case, re-convert through the sacrament of Reconciliation), but you can witness the Mass, and participate, or not participate---Catholics generally don't judge someone who's not standing or kneeling at the appropriate times. You can make the sign of the cross or not. You can genuflect toward the tabernacle or not. You can bow before the altar or not. There's no real rules, and even Communion is distributed to the faithful on the honor system. We are responsible, just as St. Paul instructed the Corinthian diocese, to examine ourselves that we do not receive Communion unworthily, which means that we are not guilty of any un-absolved grave sin.
@Caino is more than welcome at Mass. As are you. And as for "affect the orthodoxy", that's impossible in Catholicism. The Church's magisterium, bolstered immeasurably by Pope St. John Paul II's catechism, is as firm a human footing as can be had w r t orthodoxy, which is the same as teaching on all moral and doctrinal matters that is divine, authoritative, infallible, inerrant and Apostolic. The bishops uniformly teach that which the Apostles uniformly taught, which is Christ's own teaching, which is the Father's own teaching.
I extend the hand of fellowship to Caino because he or she, or neither he nor she, has testified to believing that Jesus is risen from the dead, and the Son of God. According to the aforementioned Catechism, this justified me in seeing him or her, or neither him nor her, as my full and real sibling in Christ, and a fellow member of His Body. The differences in doctrine render us currently imperfectly united, a condition that will remain perhaps until glory, but it is but a temporary state of affairs. I encourage Caino, and you as well, to be received into the Church. Or at least to convert to one of the Orthodox churches, who also do have the sacraments in their fullness, along with the Catholic Church.
Regarding Urantia, or any other thoughts, published or otherwise, when converting to Catholicism, we are asked to confess the Niceno-Napolitano Creed and to renounce Satan. If we can do this with a clear conscience, that is all that is required. If Urantia or anything else that we believe conflicts with the Creed or with renouncing Satan, then we are encouraged to work out our salvation.
Idolater
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Demonstrate your assertion from the Catechism then. Because you appear to be contradicting its clear words.
Only in a philosophical sense, but the Paradise Trinity is Eternal. Jesus the Son of God isn't the second person of a Trinity, he would be a creation of the Trinity at some point in the eternal past. Jesus never actually said that he could be the second person of the indivisible Trinity.
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Yes he is.
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Where do you get these strange terms? Certainly NOT from the Word of God.
Again, where does this "secret knowledge" come from? Certainly NOT from the Word of God.
Of course He did. It's right there IN THE BIBLE that you despise.
Do you have some secret channel to Jesus? (Hint: that's a rhetorical question; you don't!)
Strange terms like "philosophical"?
Its in John 1, one of my favorite scriptures.
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.John one makes a philosophical concession, it presents sequence when there wasn't any. God had no beginning yet he has always been the Father of the Son.
Show us where Jesus said that he was the second person of the Trinity.
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Don't try to play naïve. The term that I was referring to was "Paradise Trinity".
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The WORD was GOD.... that totally disproves your "Jesus is not God" baloney.
Again, the Father/Son with God is about a relationship and NOT a sequence in time.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Jesus claimed deity many time... if you cannot find them in the Bible, it's because you've covered your eyes with your lies.
Lonster
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It was an A and B conversation and I know quite a bit, my uncle is a Priest. I've been to mass and have been through a good portion of the Catechism. You?
Yes, however nonCatholics were also put to death for heresies. Any who 'considered' themselves Christian were also reckoned Catholic up until the Reformation. My point is where I agree with your correction below to Idolater.
This was the point.
Ignoring the obvious condescension (because it is beneath me even if not you), TRY to be gracious in your speech. Before you 'log/eye' me, Yeah, I'm aware and I'm working on it too. It is a 'join me in at least trying to be gracious' invite, especially in your first post to me, whether you wanted to be gracious and Christlike or not. Yes, people are welcome but Idolater's invite, i.e. your correction above, was what I was talking about. Idolater didn't just ask him to mass, he included him as a Christian. On that note, the Apostle Paul called for people who were harming the church to be ejected. The RC could take a few lessons again instead of letting, and worse hiding homosexual predators in their midst. So while I acknowledge that Satanists may attend mass, I'm formally against it, regardless. "Come out from among them" is God's call, not mine. Not your church's call (doesn't matter if we agree). In parting: Be gracious first, not last. -Lon (not frik nor frak nor any other derogatory).
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Caino, this is why I tell you, you don't really know the Bible or you'd not say such things. It shows ignorance despite your protest.
I never said Jesus wasn't part of God. You just disagree before you read post. Jesus is divine, he is a divine Son of God.Don't try to play naïve. The term that I was referring to was "Paradise Trinity".
One of your "favorites"
The WORD was GOD.... that totally disproves your "Jesus is not God" baloney.
Again, the Father/Son with God is about a relationship and NOT a sequence in time.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Jesus claimed deity many time... if you cannot find them in the Bible, it's because you've covered your eyes with your lies.
The Trinity is on paradise, not in a condo in NJ.
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There is no such thing as "part of God".
The Trinity is not ON anything.You just disagree before you read post. Jesus is divine, he is a divine Son of God.
The Trinity is on paradise, not in a condo in NJ.
If you'd like to come back to earth and speak English, we can have a conversation.
What is it about Christianity that makes you such nasty people?
Gods divine children are a part of God. Jesus was hear while God was in heaven.
The Trinity is 3 parts.