oatmeal
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I am glad to see you recognize that the son of God was subordinate to his Father and in doing so honored his Father
Jesus Christ chose to do the will of God instead of his own will.
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I am glad to see you recognize that the son of God was subordinate to his Father and in doing so honored his Father
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Divine parents? God is our Father.
Lucifer? No. You are mistaken. The word Lucifer comes from the Latin and does not refer to Satan.
The Elohim God is/was plural.
The Bible says many conflicting and inaccurate things about a lot of subjects because it was written by lots of different people at different times with a finite understanding of what is true. The Bible isn't a God and it certainly wasn't written by a God.
The Father is the creator of creators and many divine subordinates ALL loyal to the will of the Universal father.
Our Creator Son is Christ Michael, he came to earth and turned the world upside down. People are still trying to figure it all out. That's why this Trinity thread is Trinity thread number 7,293,029,5290,012,9437,02839,0412 on the internet! I may have missed one or two.
I thought the difference as compared with our sensibilities is the Hebrew language.
It was inspired by God. The Tanakh.
Interesting. I thought Michael as Jesus would create a logical contradiction within the scriptures though?
Are you for or against the Trinity as doctrine?
Father and Son as Creators eh?
Universal father? creator of creators and many divine subordinates?
God is the Father, Jesus' Father, our Father. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. The Bible is summarily called the Word of God.
While I believe God the Absolute is expressed in the Eternal Trinity, I don't believe Jesus, aka Christ Michael, is the Second person of Triune deity. He never said he was, he could not be. The Second person of the actual Trinity could NOT leave the Trinity on a mission as an incarnate human. The Trinity would cease to be a Trinity if one part went on vacation.
The concept of the Trinity developed after Jesus left due to his divinity and mans attempt to make sense of it.
The Creators Sons are a creation of Triune deity. They personify the Father. To see Jesus was to see the Father. Its the only way we can see the Father at this point, through the Son.
After Jesus left heaven or earth?
You seem to have two ideas of the Trinity. One includes Michael? Please clarify.
I may have just adopted the Trinity or come back to it.
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The Bible claims that it is GOD BREATHED.... but poor Caino has a big head and thinks that he knows better.
There is nothing "conflicting and inaccurate" in the Bible. The only think that is wrong is your "understanding" (but really lack thereof).
Your "logic" as to why Jesus has "divine parents" based on Elohim being plural is bogus and fallacious.
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You are way out there in fantasy land Caino.
oatmeal
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There is no direct scripture that says that as far as I know.
However,
If he was to die for our sins, the law provides other ways to be executed, stoning for instance.
He would have certainly been just as dead if he were stoned to death.
But as Jesus Christ noted, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me.
The way for his death to get the attention of the Gentiles was for him to be crucified, not stoned to death.
The OT scriptures describe the excruciating suffering he would have to endure from his arrest to his death about 40 hours later.
He would do whatever God wanted him to do, but fully facing the pain in front of him, he would have preferred a more direct method of execution as would anyone with that facing them.
You are stuck in the limitations of the Bible books. You are "way back there".
The men who wrote the Bible had the big heads, They invented the doctrine of inspiration to maintain control. They invented the chosen people arrogance and eventually lost it all.
Wrong. The doctrine of inspiration came many years later, based on scripture from Paul.
One would think that if some random people just up and made up the stories of Israel in the Bible, they would have made Israel out to be a much better nation than is portrayed...
But that's not the case at all, the overall picture painted by the authors is that Israel was a wicked nation, who constantly abandoned her God.
What do you mean? What do you mean by saying that? a creation of the Trinity, not the second person of the Trinity?
It means he rejects the God of the Bible, and has substituted his own beliefs into the text.