That isn't the text I gave you.
It's the same chapter, the same Greek word, and it harmonizes with the REST of Scriptures .... where your theory does NOT.
Jehovah Himself said;
Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till YOU return to the ground, Because from it YOU were taken; For YOU are dust, And to dust YOU shall return."
Isa 38:1 ... Thus saith Jehovah, Set thy house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.
Ezek 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Jesus himself called being dead, being asleep;
John 11:11-15 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
There are literally hundreds of other texts that establish, when you die, YOU die, YOU are like asleep, YOU don't think any more, praise God any more, know anything ..... you "sleep in the dust", you "wait in the grave".
G said:
Ha, your body can die, but your soul remains.
In the sense Jesus was discussing in Matt 10, yes. Man cannot take away your eternal life, that hope remains.
Rom 8:22-25 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
G said:
Don't try and explain away something that is so clearly written. Here, I'll give you something obvious.
1 Thessalonians 5:23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Notice the word blameless?
Paul uses that same word a few chapters earlier;
1 Thess 2:10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
What Paul is praying is for them to be protected from falling into sin! He is in no way contradicting the HUGE amount of clear, concise description of being ASLEEP in death, and then the righteous being RESURRECTED/AWAKENED "at Christ's coming, and kingdom"
G said:
Good grief. Your contortions are making you look like a pretzel. :chuckle:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
You have believed a twisted theory of what this means, for SO long, that you actually believe it LITERALLY states your position ...... IT DOES NOT.
John is using the word
LOGOS EXACTLY THE SAME throughout the Gospel, AND his other writings. You read the word "word", and you THINK that means Jesus.
It doesn't.
Jesus isn't mentioned until verse 7, AND Jesus FULFILLS God's
LOGOS in verse 14.
G said:
which is verified in Col. 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1 verifies that Jesus' ministry, death, burial and resurrection FOREVER ALTERED THE WORLD. Jesus created thrones, dominions, principalities and powers by his God exalting him to have Power and Authority, in heaven and on earth.
Paul was discussing CURRENT realities .... he was NOT addressing the Creation of the Universe ... which we KNOW was done by Jehovah;
Isa 42:1-8 Behold, My servant, whom I uphold; My chosen, in whom My soul delighteth: I have put My spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
2 He will not cry, nor lift up his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed will he not break, and a dimly burning wick will he not quench: he will bring forth justice in truth.
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set justice in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God Jehovah, He that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; He that spread abroad the earth and that which cometh out of it; He that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house.
8 I am Jehovah, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise unto graven images.
Acts 4:24-30 And they, when they heard it, lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou that didst make the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that in them is:
25 who by the holy spirit, (by) the mouth of our father David thy servant, didst say, Why did the Gentiles rage, And the peoples imagine vain things?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against His Anointed:
27 for of a truth in this city against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
28 to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy council foreordained to come to pass.
29 And now, Lord, look upon their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants to speak thy word with all boldness,
30 while Thy stretchest forth Thy hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Thy holy servant Jesus.
G said:
Wrong, it is His name from the beginning as John tells us....he affirms it when he speaks of His clothing dripped in blood....signifying what dead He died. Revelation 19:13
Sorry, you are confused. It's "dipped" in blood .... not "dripped" .... and it signifies the slaughter of the kings of the earth, as recorded in THE REST OF CHAPTER 19, and many other texts.
