Greetings again 7djengo7 and Apple7,
When two parents have a child, we do not usually speak of the child born as being created, but in a sense the word create could cover this concept. I believe that the start of Jesus is that he was conceived and born, and I do not believe that he pre-existed as the Son of God or Michael. I am not sure if this is part of Dartman and NWL views, and who would thus believe that sometime the Son of God or Michael was created in heaven before the earth was formed. But I do believe that the three stages of the birth, moral development and resurrection of Jesus could be termed a creative process. God took various elements of the Adamic creation and has brought to birth by his wisdom and power a new creation, consisting of Jesus and the believers. This will fulfill Psalm 8. I have included my response to Apple7 as it defines how I believe Jesus came into being, and this also runs contrary to any pre-existence view.YOU just admitted the TRUTH that Jesus was not created! Of course, you heaped a dunghill of heretical gobbledygook right on top of your admission, but, nevertheless, you admitted the TRUTH that Jesus was not created! And, in your admission, you have put yourself at odds with your fellow heretics, Dartman and NWL. See, both those guys claim that Jesus was created.
God, alone, was not created. Jesus was not created. Therefore, Jesus is God.
I do not believe that God the Son was shrunk into the womb of Mary, but I believe that God the Father was the father of Jesus and that Mary was his mother.The incarnation was a Triune event.
I am not willing to discuss at your level of language skills. Jesus will be the source of life to all the believers when he raises them from the dead and gives them immortal life.Let’s review Rev 3.14…
Here we can see the contrast that is being made as the Jews chose the release of a murderer(death) over that of Jesus Christ (the very originator of Life).