Its safer to own a gun?

[musterion]

Sometimes you have to shoot. I'll post this one because the robber (different than just a thief) is now taking the room temperature challenge.

Interesting that the Leftists here never comment on videos like this.

 

[Jonahdog]

Repeal the law that makes it a felony to defend your child at school. The left, including Republicans have this law to put the best people in society in prison where they can't fight back against socialism.

Citation to that particular law,please.

 

[Nick M]

Citation to that particular law,please.

Google does not work for you?

 

[Nick M]

Nick,

Glock 19 comes highly recommended to me from people I know, both for reliability and cost. Got any other suggestions? I've shot it but am considering something a bit smaller for both me and the wife.

My suggestion is to go shoot and find out what feels good in your hands and you can control. The Glock 19 is already the compact version of the original, the Glock 17. To me, it is already small. And because of demand, Glock released the 19C sometime in the past.

Yes, they are reliable. Hollywood myths aside, it can misfire without a solid grip because of the polymer frame and steel slide. It is an inertia problem. I'll post a video.

 

[Nick M]

That is a size comparison between the 1911 and 19. And when you can't always be there, I suggest one of these. He will be 4 months on July 5th.

 

[chair]

Here, in Israel. many terrorists have been stopped, usually shot dead, by people who happened to be on location, or nearby. But note two things:
1. Most of these armed people were soldiers or policemen
2. The gun laws in Israel are fairly strict

 

[Nick M]

Here, in Israel. many terrorists have been stopped, usually shot dead, by people who happened to be on location, or nearby. But note two things:
1. Most of these armed people were soldiers or policemen
2. The gun laws in Israel are fairly strict

If you are not allowed to defend yourself, then it makes sense that criminals were shot dead by police or military. I will never push the idea that you can stop a rocket attack by being armed.

 

[The Barbarian]

Does NOT owning a gun in that situation make it any safer? I guess maybe I shouldn't respond, but in what situation does not owning a gun make an attack safer for a potential victim?

A few decades ago, the National Safety Council did a study on this. They took accidental and family-argument type shootings and compared them to the data from the NRA on people who shot or scared off assailants or intruders.

The data suggested that about 20% of Americans lived in places dangerous enough that having a gun was actually safer than not having one.

Since crime rates, particularly violent crime rates, have declined markedly since that time, I would expect that there are fewer people now who would be safer if they had a gun.

That being said, there are those who like to hunt or just do target practice with guns and they have a perfect right to do so. And such people seem to be much less likely to be involved in an accidental or anger-related shooting.

 

[Lon]

Citation to that particular law,please.

State laws have 'no gun' policies. They ought to instead have 'authorized gun-only' policies. What dumb kid is going to go into a school knowing his janitor, teacher, principle (all ex-police or ex-military) can and will protect all students within their charge?

 

[Nick M]

What is the ratio of the number of children killed or injured by guns when they find Mommy's Smith & Wesson in the closet to number of successful defenses by a gun carrier or home owner?

Very low. Sometimes (always) the left will cook the books and put gang bangers that live together in that group. We have already done this on TOL. The information is out there, it is buried by google. The accusation was that the study was rigged. A PhD did a study on it and the results were astounding....to the low information voter any way.

 

[Nick M]

 

[chair]

If you are not allowed to defend yourself, then it makes sense that criminals were shot dead by police or military. I will never push the idea that you can stop a rocket attack by being armed.

To be clear: I was pointing out that trained armed people can be life-savers in difficult situations. I do not think everybody should have a weapon.

 

[eider]

What is the ratio of the number of children killed or injured by guns when they find Mommy's Smith & Wesson in the closet to number of successful defenses by a gun carrier or home owner?
Gun Violence Archive indicates that from 2014 through 2016 and average of 658 children up to age 11 were killed or injured by guns, most it seems from finding one in the home. So far this year the number is 345. The numbers for older children are substantially higher.

It also only takes a little on line research to find information about the loss of shooting accuracy when a person is under stress. Even police officers who may score well at the range suffer significant accuracy losses when in a real gun fight with real bad guys. So don't kid yourself that when you are attacked you will be as good as John Wayne or James Bond.

In the recent South London terrorist attack the police arrived in 8 minutes and shot the terrorists dead. Sadly, an innocent lady was shot in that action. And so you are right..... in a terrorist action in any size of assembly, gun carrying civilians are 'highly likely' to make mistakes about other gun carrying civilians and friendly fire deaths could be high.

I wonder how many hysterical gun carriers shoot through their front doors at strangers in the night? We know that this happens because documentaries about Law Enforcement officers have shown exactly that, householders shooting through their doors at arriving police, after the householder called those police to come out!!

Crazy. Absolutely crazy.

 

[musterion]

There's a reason why the highest gun crime rates in the United States are consistently found in Democrat controlled areas with the most restrictive gun control laws. It's by design.

 

[Nick M]

To be clear: I was pointing out that trained armed people can be life-savers in difficult situations.

You were clear. And I know you don't want people to be able to defend themselves. Who should be able to own a firearm and why?

This video shows the difference between a thief and a robber. And it looks like whatever he was looking for didn't go with him. Unless it was cash.

 

[chair]

You were clear. And I know you don't want people to be able to defend themselves.

Don't exaggerate my position.

The situation in the US, with lax gun control for many years, is very bad. So some, like you, think it is the Wild West, and there is no choice but to arm everybody and devil take the hindmost.

It isn't that way in most countries. It didn't have to get that way in the states.

I don't carry a gun. I can walk the streets at 1 am without being worried that I'll be shot to death. And I live in a large city (at least by local standards).

Who should be able to own a firearm and why?.

People who demonstrate a need to have a firearm. School principals, teachers perhaps. Security guards. People who live in dangerous areas. And getting a gun license should require evidence of physical and mental health. And no criminal record.

 

[Nihilo]

Sometimes you have to shoot. I'll post this one because the robber (different than just a thief) is now taking the room temperature challenge.

Phenomenal footage.

Some points:

Note that the murderer was dead before he hit the ground (start at 2:00 for clear slow-mo). If you've never seen this, watch the footage. You saw him go limp before he landed, because he was already dead.

A murderer entered a store, gun(s?) drawn and pointed at innocent people, manifesting a clear and present danger (i.e., even though he had not harmed anybody yet, he was already the aggressor), which justifies the store-owner for using lethal force, which he did do.

The murderer did not murder anybody, because the innocent man killed him before he could.

The innocent man, who killed the murderer, is not guilty of murder or homicide, in killing him.

 

[Nihilo]

My suggestion is to go shoot and find out what feels good in your hands and you can control. The Glock 19 is already the compact version of the original, the Glock 17. To me, it is already small. And because of demand, Glock released the 19C sometime in the past.

Yes, they are reliable. Hollywood myths aside, it can misfire without a solid grip because of the polymer frame and steel slide. It is an inertia problem. I'll post a video.

I would add what Jerry Miculek preaches (look him up), which is, the key is to get your site picture back as soon as possible after firing a round. The quicker you can get back to that site picture, the quicker you can fire another round on target, as Nick's video link showed. One, two, three, in under two seconds. (Actually I think it was under one second.) You can do that if and only if you can get your site picture back quickly after firing a round.

So along with trying out different guns for feel, also see if there are models that help to get that site picture back quickly and naturally for you.

 

[Nihilo]

Didn't I read on a dollar note, "In gun we trust"?

You probably did, Bible correcter.

 

[Nihilo]

A few decades ago, the National Safety Council did a study on this. They took accidental and family-argument type shootings and compared them to the data from the NRA on people who shot or scared off assailants or intruders.

The data suggested that about 20% of Americans lived in places dangerous enough that having a gun was actually safer than not having one.

A recent poll I read said that 30% of Americans own guns, so :thumb:.

Since crime rates, particularly violent crime rates, have declined markedly since that time, I would expect that there are fewer people now who would be safer if they had a gun.

That being said, there are those who like to hunt or just do target practice with guns and they have a perfect right to do so. And such people seem to be much less likely to be involved in an accidental or anger-related shooting.

I've been preaching that mouse guns are inherently dangerous, of no military value, and so are not protected by the Second Amendment, based upon my own readings of SCOTUS cases handling the Second Amendment. I've further argued that what we need is to be toting around rifles and not handguns (or at least rifles plus handguns), if we want to reap the most valuable fruits from the Second Amendment, which only recognizes an already existing right, and does not grant the right to keep and bear arms.

Mouse guns are disproportionately used by criminals, and negligently discharge more frequently, partly because children who do find them can shoot them easier than larger guns. Also they're used for suicides more frequently. Mouse guns are all around a bad idea, IOW, IMO. They account for more bad press than they should, and their legality under current law is part of the reason more people don't support the RKBA, which they should, if they believe they have the right to life, and the right to defend themselves.

Which most educated people do.