Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

Clete

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It's too bad you aren't going to discuss this. You should know me by now well enough that I always provide sources. And you've even seen me change my mind based on data even if it hurts my argument. Maybe you thought I was Marke? Now that's a curiosity to me that you replied to him repeatedly when he usually would need only a couple replies to get to the bottom of his points.

The numbers I asked for weren't for the efficacy of the vaccine. The short term numbers are great for them. What I can't find is an apples to apples comparison of western societies where the vaccine was used and it wasn't. There is no 15 second search that answers that. Those are the numbers we need. It's the only numbers I've asked for and I sought for them myself of course.

You should know me better than that.


I read one post where you replied to Marke and then the relies to me. I don't have time to read every post and I'm sure Marke did not ask for the numbers I did.


I'm not lying. The specific numbers I asked for probably won't show up for months just like the treatment, mask, and lockdown numbers - when it was too late.


I didn't call you a hypocrite, but I did point out a possible hypocrisy. If it were me I would have defended my post or admitted my lapse.


Saying the vaccine is the only way out of the pandemic is at least inferring that we need it.


That's too bad. I'm bringing up good points. And since we've been in the trenches together for years you might consider that iron sharpens iron instead of malice on my part.


First, the conspiracy nuts turned out to be right about treatments, masks, and lockdowns so be careful about that accusation. Second, we can't have long term data about the vaccines because it can't exist for some time.


That's too bad. We are more brothers than strangers and throwing away allies in times like these will do more harm than good in the long run.


Again,that's too bad. In closing let me say that if treatments we now know work had not been suppressed the numbers would show zero excess deaths, even without the vaccines. Thevaccines were/are not the only way out of the pandemic.
Okay, so first of all, I apologize for my last post. The thick headed conspiracy theorists on this thread have gotten me to a point where I really don't even want to be here on TOL at all and I definitely have lost all interest in discussing this particular topic. None of that has anything to do with you and I shouldn't have responded to your post the way I did.

Having said that, I cannot imagine what it is your searching for that's so difficult to find.

United States

Russia

Those links will show you a graph of the daily deaths from COVID in the US and then in first country that popped into my mind that isn't an ally of the US and therefore hasn't had access to these vaccines (at least not in the numbers of doses that would be needed to have the pandemic under control the way we and other western countries do.)

Indonesia

Iran

Then look at nations who have the vaccines...

France

Italy


Now, to be fair, that really doesn't give anywhere near the whole picture because vaccines aren't the only thing that effect the spread of the virus. There are other factors, such as natural immunity, population density, health care infrastructure, etc. And that's not to mention the fact that all the numbers are inflated in various ways for all kinds of political reasons that make the numbers questionable in the first place. BUT - Ignoring the untrustworthy numbers for the time being - there are, for example, tens of millions of people in the US (I think the number is much much higher than that actually) who have had COVID and recovered from it and so far more than the 48% who have been vaccinated are immune to the disease and so we may be very close to herd immunity, if we haven't already achieved it in this country. It is, therefore, probably not even possible to do a true apples to apples comparison between countries based solely on vaccine usage.

Clete

P.S. Now, if I disappear from this thread, its only because this topic now bores me to tears and its a waste of time anyway.
 

expos4ever

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The last VAERS death toll I've seen was more than 9000 people, and we know that these events are greatly underreported.
You know that the VAERS systems is not reliable for establishing the dangers posed by the vaccine. From their own %$&?%$! site:

While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.

Since you have to know this by now, please tell us why you insist on misrepresenting the truth?
 

marke

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You know that the VAERS systems is not reliable for establishing the dangers posed by the vaccine. From their own %$&?%$! site:

While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.

Since you have to know this by now, please tell us why you insist on misrepresenting the truth?
I tell people who hesitate to take the vaccine, "Don't take it if you are not comfortable with it and if you are not frightened by all the propaganda trying to scare people into thinking if they do not get vaccinated they will die of covid."
 

User Name

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Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines, which contain tiny fragments of the genetic material known as “messenger ribonucleic acid”. And if social media is anything to go by, some people are concerned these vaccines can affect their genetic code.

Here’s why the chances of that happening are next to zero and some pointers to how the myth came about...

 

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Fox News contributor Jonah Goldberg recalled Laura Ingraham on her show in November saying “the stunning success of President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed caught team apocalypse totally off guard. Don’t you love it?”

But “now she and many other right-wing media figures are engaged in fearmongering over the alleged dangers of vaccines we wouldn’t have, were it not for Trump,” Goldberg added.

This is the game Republicans play: If there's a Democrat in the White House, we can't have anything good. Everything has to be bad, and if anything was good before the Democrat became president, it is now bad. The vaccine was good before the election when Trump was still president, but now that Biden is president it is bad. Same goes for literally everything else, e.g., we can't have an infrastructure deal, and if we do, Biden is bankrupting the country, etc. and so on...

In the case of the vaccine, Republicans would rather see people get sick and die rather than see people get the vaccine and live. If too many people don't get the vaccine, they can blame Biden for a poor rollout of the vaccine. If the numbers of sick and dying go up, they can blame Biden for that too. Nothing can be good and everything has to be bad or at least has to be made to look bad because there is a Democrat in the White House. If there's a Democrat in the White House, Republicans are traitors to everyone including themselves. That's how they roll.
 

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marke

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Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines, which contain tiny fragments of the genetic material known as “messenger ribonucleic acid”. And if social media is anything to go by, some people are concerned these vaccines can affect their genetic code.

Here’s why the chances of that happening are next to zero and some pointers to how the myth came about...

It may be the fetal tissue contamination of the modern covid 'vaccine' which causes dangerous blood clots. We need more info from further testing.
 

marke

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Democrats have become the spiritually dead and doomed party.

The word “God” is nowhere to be found in the Democratic national platform this year, an omission Republicans have seized upon as a failure of their opponents to appreciate the divine’s place in American history
 

marke

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This is the game Republicans play: If there's a Democrat in the White House, we can't have anything good. Everything has to be bad, and if anything was good before the Democrat became president, it is now bad. The vaccine was good before the election when Trump was still president, but now that Biden is president it is bad. Same goes for literally everything else, e.g., we can't have an infrastructure deal, and if we do, Biden is bankrupting the country, etc. and so on...

In the case of the vaccine, Republicans would rather see people get sick and die rather than see people get the vaccine and live. If too many people don't get the vaccine, they can blame Biden for a poor rollout of the vaccine. If the numbers of sick and dying go up, they can blame Biden for that too. Nothing can be good and everything has to be bad or at least has to be made to look bad because there is a Democrat in the White House. If there's a Democrat in the White House, Republicans are traitors to everyone including themselves. That's how they roll.
The people who needlessly died of covid in NY rest homes last year don't need to blame a political party. They need to blame Cuomo and his assorted mob of misguided supporters.
 

marke

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Smallpox would still be with us today with your false information:

The world would likely have never seen the covid-19 virus if not for Fauci funding the change of function research in deadly viruses to test the effectiveness of vaccines developed through manipulation of fetal tissue DNA.
 

User Name

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The world would likely have never seen the covid-19 virus if not for Fauci funding the change of function research in deadly viruses

 

User Name

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vaccines developed through manipulation of fetal tissue DNA.

MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines were developed with fetal tissue.​

FACT: The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines did not use fetal tissue during development or testing. In the 1960s, many vaccines did use fetal tissue during development and testing, but this process was not used for the currently approved mRNA vaccines.

 
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