Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?

[Arthur Brain]

rather, i removed your silly nonsense to focus on the question asked and the answer given

was i wrong?

do you or do you not understand that the wicked deserve justice?

Of course you were wrong.

Everything about justice I've addressed already.

 

[glorydaz]

Not a rabbit trail.

I'm using an analogy to compare and contrast your decisions to God's decisions, so we can look at where they differ.

That's what you think you're doing, I'm sure.

Why you think you're a judge of "God's decisions" is beyond me, however.

So, you would, effectively, imprison the girl with her brother to make sure he doesn't molest his sister again?

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

Do you ever listen to yourself?

 

[ok doser]

Of course you were wrong.

ok, then i believe your position is that, as a generality, the wicked do not deserve justice

am i right?

 

[glorydaz]

rather, i removed your silly nonsense to focus on the question asked and the answer given

was i wrong?

do you or do you not understand that the wicked deserve justice?

It's okay when you guys do what the rest of us aren't allowed to do.

Gotta love this stuff.


The wicked deserve punishment, and that includes you.
Which is the point being made.

 

[ok doser]

[MENTION=10403]Arthur Brain[/MENTION]

let's make it as simple as can be

yes or no

as a generality, do the wicked deserve justice?

 

[glorydaz]

ok, then i believe your position is that, as a generality, the wicked do not deserve justice

am i right?

Deliberately provoking. Trolling. Working hard to get a rise. Typical.

Am I right?

 

[ok doser]

... The wicked deserve punishment ....

even the son who molested the daughter?

i thought you were against that

 

[JudgeRightly]

It's okay when you guys do what the rest of us aren't allowed to do.

The wicked deserve punishment, and that includes you.

To copy/paste from my above post...

That would be true, if it weren't Christ's completed work on the Cross. I'm no longer identified as a sinner, even though I still sin. I'm identified in Christ, and I am considered "justified." When God looks at me, he sees Christ, for Christ is my covering. The wicked are not, and when God looks at them, he sees their wickedness. I asked a question about the wicked. Ergo, I am excluded, by default, from the question.

 

[ok doser]

Deliberately provoking. Trolling. Working hard to get a rise. Typical.

Am I right?

nope

trying to get a straight answer out of artie

i've given up trying to get one out of you - JR can waste his time if he wants

 

[glorydaz]

[MENTION=10403]Arthur Brain[/MENTION]

let's make it as simple as can be

yes or no

as a generality, do the wicked deserve justice?

Everyone deserves justice. :rotfl:

 

[JudgeRightly]

It's okay when you guys do what the rest of us aren't allowed to do.

Gotta love this stuff.


The wicked deserve punishment, and that includes you.
Which is the point being made.

To copy/paste from my above post...

That would be true, if it weren't Christ's completed work on the Cross. I'm no longer identified as a sinner, even though I still sin. I'm identified in Christ, and I am considered "justified." When God looks at me, he sees Christ, for Christ is my covering. The wicked are not, and when God looks at them, he sees their wickedness. I asked a question about the wicked. Ergo, I am excluded, by default, from the question.

Or do you think that even Christians should be punished for all their sins?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Not a rabbit trail.

I'm using an analogy to compare and contrast your decisions to God's decisions, so we can look at where they differ.



So, you would, effectively, imprison the girl with her brother to make sure he doesn't molest his sister again?

Actually, in context of this subject it most certainly is a rabbit trail JR. You're using the argument of protecting a child from another on this plane to that of those in Heaven being under threat from the "unbelievers" if they were allowed in to pollute it and it doesn't work. You've tried this same stuff a few times now and it's easily rebutted. If everyone is reconciled to God then you're not under any kinda threat and really should be happy if you truly love your fellow man. On this plane then any loving parent could only do the best to protect the child under threat while trying to get the other the help they need.

 

[glorydaz]

trying to get a straight answer out of artie

No you're not.

Do you think we're blind?

Seriously dude, you can't even ask a straight question.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Actually, in context of this subject it most certainly is a rabbit trail JR. You're using the argument of protecting a child from another on this plane to that of those in Heaven being under threat from the "unbelievers" if they were allowed in to pollute it and it doesn't work. You've tried this same stuff a few times now and it's easily rebutted. If everyone is reconciled to God then you're not under any kinda threat and really should be happy if you truly love your fellow man. On this plane then any loving parent could only do the best to protect the child under threat while trying to get the other the help they need.

Reconciled doesn't mean forgiven, nor does it mean saved.

That seems to be at least one of the false premises you used just now.

 

[ok doser]

... If everyone is reconciled to God ....

against their will?

 

[ok doser]

Do you think we're blind?

blind drunk, maybe

 

[glorydaz]

Or do you think that even Christians should be punished for all their sins?

Another foolish question.

 

[glorydaz]

blind drunk, maybe

I hope that isn't a personal attack. :cheers:

 

[Arthur Brain]

That's what you think you're doing, I'm sure.

Why you think you're a judge of "God's decisions" is beyond me, however.





That's a ridiculous thing to say.

Do you ever listen to yourself?

If he does, he needs to listen a bit harder...

:freak:

ok, then i believe your position is that, as a generality, the wicked do not deserve justice

am i right?

No.

:e4e:

 

[ok doser]

...You're using the argument of protecting a child from another on this plane to that of those in Heaven being under threat from the "unbelievers" if they were allowed in to pollute it ...

what? :freak:

dude - put down the bong :dizzy: