and the opposite of eternal salvation?
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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and the opposite of eternal salvation?
Ben Masada
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"... and gathered to his people" means that Abraham joined with his fathers by going the way of all living. In short, Abraham died.
God's Truth
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You are bearing false witness.
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You just ignore the scripture I gave you.
We all die.
You did not answer my question. If a person's life is horrific because of the choices he made, is it a life destroyed?
GuySmiley
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Of course not. Unless the person is dead and unsaved as a result of those choices.
People say that as an exaggeration.
God's Truth
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Are you saying their life is not destroyed while they are living the way they are living?
Are you saying it is untrue?
Why would destroying your life with sin be an exaggeration?
No I didn't. It says "fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell (Gehenna). I believe that the bodies and souls of the lost will be destroyed, just as the scripture says. I think you just ignored the scripture you just gave me, because you don't believe that the lost will be destroyed in hell.
Yes, and we will all be resurrected to stand before the judgment seat of Christ where we will either receive eternal life from him or perish.
I did answer. The figurative destruction of a life is not the same as the literal destruction of a person.
Is it a life destroyed? What do you mean? Is the person dead? Then no, their life has not really been destroyed. That is a figure of speech. How about the person who went headfirst into a brush chipper? Has their life been destroyed? Yes. That is not a figure of speech.
How about the person who has their body and soul destroyed in Gehenna? Is their body and soul destroyed or are they not destroyed but merely in pain?
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God's Truth
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You have not proven that the lost will cease to live. Being destroyed does not always mean cease to exist.
You do not even believe in the life of our spirits after the death of our physical bodies. How am I speaking about these things with you if you do not even understand that we have spirits that live on?
You cannot say that destroy means cease to exist.
The world was destroyed by the flood in Noah’s time; does that mean the world ceased to exist?
2 Peter 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
GuySmiley
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Because there is always Hope while someone is still breathing. Using the word "destroy" is an exaggeration until that life is *literally* destroyed.
is that biblical?
GuySmiley
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temporary salvation? or eternal damnation? or temporary damnation?
and conditional salvation
:chuckle:
seems likely
would that be served by ending conciousness?
that's a double negative
if it is not eternal
God's Truth
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Are you saying the Bible that says eternal life and eternal punishment should actually say eternal death?
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You are a sad case Chrysostom.
Open the Bible read and believe.
You keep speaking lies about me.
Let's discuss the scriptures and not what you think of me.
I believe that Chrysostom has already opened his Bible, read and believed what he read. And I don't see where he has lied about anything.
Chrysostom seems like a good guy.