Is Jesus coming soon?

ffreeloader

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Genesis 6:5 ¶And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
The sins of Sodom? The same as the sins of Jerusalem and Judah.

Ezekiel 16:45 Thou art thy mother’s daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite.
46 And thine elder sister is Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.*n17
47 Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.*n18
48 As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.


Look at the world around us. The wickedness of man is great upon the earth. The every imagination of the heart is evil continually. And how about the days of Lot. Homosexuality, transgenderism, sodomy, pride, the display of wealth, arrogance, pride, the oppression of the poor and needy, idleness, etc....

Is this being done our nation, and around the world? The very sins for which Sodom, Gomarrah, and Jerusalem were destroyed are seen on an every day basis.
 

ffreeloader

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Every eye of Israel? Earth in bible-speak is the synonym of soil.
Once again. And God formed Adam from the soil. But the Bible also speaks of the earth as a whole, and in the context of Revelation 1:7 it cannot mean just Isreal.

Revelation 1: 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Strong's Concordance definition of "kindreds".

5443 phule foo-lay' from 5453 (compare 5444); an offshoot, i.e. race or clan:--kindred, tribe. see GREEK for 5453 see GREEK for 5444

Kindreds is referring to races and clans. And the verse says all races and clans. Not some. Not a few. All. This is a world wide event. And Jesus specifically warned against us being fooled by people who tell us look here or there and that it was a private event. I'm not about to argue against His clear and concise language.
 

ffreeloader

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It's never too late to repent of sins and go to Jesus for forgiveness and salvation.
I would have to disagree with this too. God gave the antedeluvians 120 years of Noah's preaching to choose to enter the ark. Then came a time when it was too late to ask for salvation. When the door to the ark was shut all chances for forgiveness and salvation were over. Anyone outside the ark was destroyed.
 

marke

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I would have to disagree with this too. God gave the antedeluvians 120 years of Noah's preaching to choose to enter the ark. Then came a time when it was too late to ask for salvation. When the door to the ark was shut all chances for forgiveness and salvation were over. Anyone outside the ark was destroyed.
You are right, but I still tell sinners they can repent and turn to Jesus for salvation as long as I am here to tell them anything. Once Jesus has risen and shut to the door there will no longer be any opportunity to repent of sins, but that is on them.
 

ffreeloader

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You are right, but I still tell sinners they can repent and turn to Jesus for salvation as long as I am here to tell them anything. Once Jesus has risen and shut to the door there will no longer be any opportunity to repent of sins, but that is on them.
I believe that's true to a certain extent, but the message from the closing of the door of the ark is that the chance to repent and turn around went away without the wicked even understanding that it happened. I don't see anything in scripture that says Noah knew exactly when it was going to happen. He entered the ark in accordance with what God told him to do, but even he didn't know when the door would be closed as it was impossible for him to close that door. That's the way it is for us too. We don't/won't know exactly when God's forbearance will come to an end. We can look around and the signs that things are happening but we won't know the exact day or hour.

I find it interesting that with all the discussion/arguments over theology I've seen here I've never seen a thread on the second coming of Christ. Is there really so little interest in it that nobody is really interested in the most profound Biblical subject we can speak about? It's the event that puts and end to sin, and I can't think of anything I look forward to more than that for all suffering, sickness, sorrow, etc... comes to an end when this event takes place.
 

ffreeloader

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Yes. "So the last will be first, and the first will be last" (Matthew 20:16).
The Bible disagrees with you.

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

That is a clear concise statement that a time is coming where all decisions for or against God will be set in stone. After that there will be no ability to change our minds because God has declared it so. We will be forever who we will have chosen to be. We will all have chosen either life, or death.
 

Bradley D

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The Bible disagrees with you.



That is a clear concise statement that a time is coming where all decisions for or against God will be set in stone. After that there will be no ability to change our minds because God has declared it so. We will be forever who we will have chosen to be. We will all have chosen either life, or death.
I did quote the Bible.

Are we at the last chapter of Revelation. Do you believe Jesus has returned already and locked Satan up for a thousand years?
 

Omniskeptical

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I did quote the Bible.

Are we at the last chapter of Revelation. Do you believe Jesus has returned already and locked Satan up for a thousand years?
I do. But the thousand years is about the Kingdom of God, not planet Earth, which that it is never mention inside the bible.
 
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From kgov.com:


* The Bible shows the Timing of Christ's Return has Changed: For most folks, before reading this list we recommend praying, "Lord, if Your Word clearly teaches something that I will tend to reject because it conflicts with some of my biases, please help me to be humble before You and willing to challenge my preexisting beliefs."
- God Views the End Times Calendar as Changeable: "I, the LORD, will hasten it in its time" Isa. 60:22
- Believers Can Change the Time of Christ's Return: Peter wrote that believers too should set about, "hastening the coming of the day of God" 2 Pet. 3:12
- Even the Length of the Tribulation will Change: Jesus said that, "those days will be shortened" Mat. 24:22
- Like God Shortening His Punishment of Israel: the Old Testament precedents for God shortening the coming Tribulation, include, "choose... seven years... Or... three months... Or... three days' plague..." And David said... "His mercies are great..." So the Lord heeded the prayers for the land, and the plague was withdrawn from Israel. 2 Sam. 24:12-17, 25
- For God Promised Mercy Regardless of Prophecy If...: "The instant I speak concerning a nation [Israel], to destroy it, if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will repent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it." Jer. 18:7-8 (see also a dozen more Category 1 verses like that one, including the next, about Nineveh)
- Again, Get This Down, God Promises Mercy Regardless of Prophecy If: "...forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown! [But then] they turned from their evil way; and God repented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it." Jonah 3:10
- Before You Get Through Israel's Villages: "...I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Mat. 10:23 (yet this did not happen, because as warned, God changed His plan for Israel; Jer. 18:9-10; Rom. 11)
- Some of You Won't Die Until: "there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Mat. 16:28 (this didn't refer to the Transfiguration which occurred about a day later; see too Mark 9 and Luke 9; yet they all did die, because God changed His plan for Israel, and grafted in the Gentiles; Jer. 18:9-10; Rom. 11)
- John Might Not Die Before: "Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, 'If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?'" John 21:23
- This Generation Won't Pass Until: "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." Mat. 24:34 (yet that generation did pass away, because God changed His plan for Israel and instead grafted in the Gentiles; Jer. 18:9-10; Rom. 11)
- Before Paul, Believers Sold their Homes: "all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need." Acts 4:34-35; 5:1-2 (this behavior, appropriate at the time, changed after Paul's Acts 9 conversion when God grafted in the Gentiles)
- Christ's Soon Return Permeated His Teachings: "Sell what you have and give alms" Luke 12:33; "And everyone who has left houses... or lands, for My name's sake..." Mat. 19:29. "...do not worry about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will put on" Luke 12:22. The "ravens... neither sow nor reap" yet "God feeds them" Luke 12:24. "He commanded them to take nothing for the journey except a staff——no bag..." Mark 6:8. "Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your moneybelts..." Mat. 10:9. "Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and... come, follow Me" Luke 18:22. (yet He did not return soon, as He had warned that He may change His mind). And even that Jesus went about all Galilee preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" Mat. 4:23; 9:35; 24:14; Mark 1:14-15 and Jesus said, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel [of the kingdom]" Mark 1:15; Mat. 3:2; 4:17
- With Homes Sold, They Became Poor: Remember that "all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them... and they distributed to each as anyone had need." Acts 4:34-35; 5:1-2
- It Was the Converts of the Twelve Who Fell into Poverty: 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15; Gal. 2:10; Rom. 15:25–31; Acts 11:27–30; 24:17 for communism quickly fails; the sale of pesonal property was to be a short-term tactic to survive the Tribulation and enter the Kingdom; the Postponement led to their poverty.
- Paul's Converts Kept Their Homes and Provided Relief: (The "apostle to the Gentiles" was able to raise relief from his converts) 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15; Gal. 2:10; Rom. 15:25–31; Acts 11:27–30; 24:17 to support the believers in Judea who fell into poverty; they hadn't immediately become poor after selling their property, but after the delay in Christ's previously-expected soon return
- God Warned He may Not Give Israel their Kingdom as Prophesied: "And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will repent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it." Jer. 18:9-10 (see also Jer. 18:7-8; for God, unlike a juvenile judge, does not make empty threats)
- One Year Probation Followed Three-Year Earthly Ministry: "'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree [figuratively, Israel] and find none. Cut it down...' But he answered and said, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'" Luke 13:7-9
- Daniel's Seventieth Week Suspended: The prophet Daniel's 490-year prophecy (Dan. 9:24-27) of 483 years between the command to rebuild Jerusalem (by Artaxerxes Neh. 2:1-8) until the execution of the Messiah, followed by the next seven years that were to be the Great Tribulation (Mat. 24:15; Mark 13:14); but Israel rejected their resurrected Messiah so as God had warned (Jer. 18:9-10) He changed what He had prophesied for them by postponing both the tribulation and the Kingdom it would usher in.
- After the Cross Ten Signs of the Tribulation Were Evident: See chapter 9 of kgov.com/the-plot for details; in the year beginning with Christ's death the signs of the Great Tribulation that occurred included the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, signs and wonders, earthquakes, believers beaten by councils, the laying on of hands to imprison, arrests leading to occasion for testimony, martyrdom, expectation of an abbreviated end times and of the soon appearance of signs in the sun, moon, and stars, irresistible wisdom displayed.
- Fulfillment of Prophetic Seven Feasts of Israel Suspended: God ceased the apparent fulfillment of the Feasts of Israel on their very calendar days, for Jesus died on the day the Jews killed the Passover lamb; He was in the tomb during Unleavened Bread; raised on Firstfruits; gave the Holy Spirit on Pentecost; and He "tabernacled" among us (John 1:14, with the Greek saying not "dwelt" but "tabernacled"), likely fulfilling that feast; but the remaining two feasts including Trumpets are yet awaiting fulfillment, as God postponed His prophetic plan for Israel.
- Jesus Hardly Spoke About the End Times Until Just Before the Cross: The apocalyptic Olivet Discourse happened when Jesus said to His disciples, "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified." Mat. 26:1-2
- God the Son Didn't Know the Timing: and neither did God the Holy Spirit but only the Father, for it is in His purview to decide when Jesus shall return. Just Google: open theism verses, and see Category 15, which includes the following:

The Holy Spirit, third person of the Godhead, did not know something that the Father knew, namely, the planned day and hour of the Second Coming Mark 13:32 and of course that lack of knowledge did not negate His divinity for the quantitative attribute of omniscience is not like the absolute qualitative attributes; likewise, no man, no angel, nor even the Son knew, for "of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only" of the persons of the Godhead, with even the Second Person not knowing the timing of the Second Coming which was in the purview of the Father alone Mat. 24:36.

- Israel's End Times Signs Not Relevant Today: When the Lord temporarily set aside Israel's Kingdom and their covenant of circumcision and grafted in the Body of Christ with its covenant of grace (this is not replacement theology), God's new sign, so to speak, of the end of the Body of Christ's time on earth is the "fullness of the Gentiles", whatever He means by that, be it a billion believers to populate heaven, or the Gospel preached worldwide, or holiness within the Body, etc.; so that, when "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" then God will graft Israel back in again, "for God is able to graft them in again", and thereby resume the countdown on their end times calendar; Rom. 11:11-32.
- To Read More about the Changed Date of the Second Coming: Click to get a copy of Bob Enyart's life's work, The Plot: An Overview of the Bible is the Key to its Details and review the list of 33 Categories of more than 500 scriptures at opentheism.org/verses.



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ffreeloader

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I did quote the Bible.

Are we at the last chapter of Revelation. Do you believe Jesus has returned already and locked Satan up for a thousand years?
No. I do not believe in any secret rapture. The Bible completely contradicts that theology.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Christ's second coming is to be the most public event ever seen on earth. No living person will be able to miss it.

Besides the Bible tells us that if people tell us Jesus has already come and not everyone knows about it that we are not to believe the report. Here are Jesus' own words about this. I have zero doubt that He is right for Jesus is "the truth" according to God's word.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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No. I do not believe in any secret rapture.
The Bible calls it the "catching up" and it's not a secret since Paul revealed it. 1 Thess 4:13-18
The Bible completely contradicts that theology.
How so?
Christ's second coming is to be the most public event ever seen on earth. No living person will be able to miss it.
That is His return to the earth. It comes after the catching up.
Besides the Bible tells us that if people tell us Jesus has already come and not everyone knows about it that we are not to believe the report. Here are Jesus' own words about this. I have zero doubt that He is right for Jesus is "the truth" according to God's word.
Both the "catching up" and His return to earth will be quite noticeable.
 

grumix8

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All eyes will see him and people will be in zion, those outside will be judged but salvation for those who will be baptized.
 

ffreeloader

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The Bible calls it the "catching up" and it's not a secret since Paul revealed it. 1 Thess 4:13-18

How so?

That is His return to the earth. It comes after the catching up.

Both the "catching up" and His return to earth will be quite noticeable.
For what reason do you think this "catching up" is to take place? What is it's reason for existing in God's plan of salvation? This obviously did not exist in any way shape or form when God destroyed the world with the flood. So why would it exist now?
 

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For what reason do you think this "catching up" is to take place?
To call the ambassadors home before the outbreak of hostilities.
What is it's reason for existing in God's plan of salvation?
To call the ambassadors home before the outbreak of hostilities.
This obviously did not exist in any way shape or form when God destroyed the world with the flood.
So what? At the time of the flood the gospel of the grace of God was completely unknown and remained so for a very long time.
So why would it exist now?
Can God not do things God's way?
 
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