Nope - as some continue to fail to grasp: there is a difference between believing a thing and having properly understood it.
And your claim the Lord already returned is hersey; plain and simple.
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Nope - as some continue to fail to grasp: there is a difference between believing a thing and having properly understood it.
And your claim the Lord already returned is hersey; plain and simple.
Every promise to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and/or Israel was fulfilled.
Nowhere in the NT will you find anyone saying a peep about Jesus returning and going back to the Mosaic Law, after the alleged rapture.
That's a lie that was invented by Darby.
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Prophecy says that His return will include HIS FEET being set down upon the Mount of Olives.
I guess that in tet-world, prophecies are wrong sometimes.
No, he did not. We believe the Lord Jesus Christ said, you do not, as you flip the bird at him, and his chosen for service nation, and will realize it, in hell, Jew hater, anti-Semite.
Nowhere in Romans chapter 11 will you find the word "Jew" or "Jews".
Like most Darby Followers, you think all Israelites were Jews.
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
It's Liars like you that set people up to be deceived!
Micah 1:3-4
For behold, the Lord is coming out of his place, and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains will melt under him, and the valleys will split open, like wax before the fire, like waters poured down a steep place.
For behold, the Lord is coming out of his place, and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains will melt under him, and the valleys will split open, like wax before the fire, like waters poured down a steep place.
Luke 24:36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.[f] 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.[g] 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.[f] 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.[g] 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.
I'm trying to cut you slack... but the B.S. is stacking and you are the author of it! Get your bible speak right or simply take Scripture after scripture to that "weak chin" of yours!
No, it was not. You won't find anyone saying, "teaching," what you "teach," or that there is no such thing as a physical resurrection of the dead, and that all prophecies have been fulfilled, as you spam, until Russell invented it.
I understand it, and believe it.
You do not understand it (because you follow Darby), and you do not believe it.
Verse, upon verse proves you wrong.
As does human history.
Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Also... for you to be "Grafted In"... you have to admit that the "Jews" are being discussed. But... If you really want to be that giant a deceptive douche ...
Lets Crack open 9 to 11 and see who has the "juice".
Observe, the satanic deception, contradictions, from this demon filled weasel....
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"Everyone" that saw Him, according to Craigie, was Josephus, and Wikipedia. Wait....According to Craigie the Clown, he did not return physically, but all of Jerusalem saw him.. And, according to Craigie the Clown, signs are invisible...
Wait...
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"Tet is a preterist that believes Christ already returned in 70 AD viathe Roman Army."-Tambora, on another TOL thread
Hebrews 9:28 KJV
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Craigie the Clown: The Roman army was looking for him-that is the "them" above. My infallible AD 70/Pteterist "teachers" taught me,like Hank Hanegraaf, from whom I copy'npaste/spam.
Shazam, Gomer!
Preterist Gomer Tet...from the army of the ignorant.
I know, I know....Darby...Bullinger....You follow the teachings/inventions/theories of fallible men, unlike me, as I, Craigie, follow the teachings of infallible men, or women, or the pope....vision of a teenage girl.....Darby.....Bullinger.....figurative.....hy perbole...fulfilled AD 65, or 66, 0r 70, 0r 666......No one taught dispensationalism, until Darby, and no one taught that the earth was round, until, and no one taught of the concept of "God the Father," until this "Jesus" I reference, in disrespect, flipping the bird at him, came around, and the idea that he will be King on the planet earth, ..........and Pluto was a planet, at one time, as when you discover objective truth, determines if it is, in fact, objective truth, you see, well, uh, urr, and thus, the Lord Jesus Christ was not really the Lord God, until I, Gomer Tet., discovered it, you see.....
Snip....snap...snort....
Clown.
Read the OT.
(Gen 11:5) But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.
Did the Lord literally come down in Gen 11:5?
(Exodus 3:8) So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites
Again, did the Lord literally come down?
How about the following:
(Psalm 144:5) Part your heavens, Lord, and come down;
touch the mountains, so that they smoke.
Again, you guys should spend more time in the OT, so that when you see metaphors, phrases, symbolism, etc in the NT, you won't be so confused, and take the symbolism literally.
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I am always amazed at how stupid you are.
"Spritualize" away unbeliever boy.
How can any of us hope to "understand" the Bible without your wild-eyed "symbology"?
The Bible is putty in your hands.
tetiot!
Try reading Hosea.
The Jews were NEVER broken off, it was the Israelites from the 10 tribes that God divorced. It was the Israelites from the 10 tribes that were broken off, NOT THE JEWS.
Read the beginning of Romans 11. Elijah was NOT a Jew, he was an Israelite from the Northern Nation.
The remnant of 7,000 in Romans 11, were NOT Jews.
The Lord Jesus Christ's return was a metaphor....Wait, it was the Roman army....
The habitual liar of TOL, Big Top Craigie:
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Are Preterist teachers "men" sweetie?
Of course, what Craigie won't tell you, is that he is a closet Catholic, as his "theology" is the same as the Catholics.Jebbies. And I have his own admission of that.
Tell 'em, Craigie.
It's not my symbolism, it's the symbolism of the Old Testament.
Take a break from Romans-Titus, and learn the OT symbolism.
Then, you won't be so confused about the NT.
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What Israel is being discussed in "Red"? it's the actual Blood and Nation!
Where did the Rock get Laid? "Zion"
Where was Jesus? "Zion" of the Earth... when the FOUNDATION was "Revealed".
10 will be coming in a bit.
Romans 9
Israel’s Rejection of Christ <--(Sub Heading says ... LITERAL ISRAEL)
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”
Present Condition of Israel
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
Israel’s Rejection of Christ <--(Sub Heading says ... LITERAL ISRAEL)
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”
Present Condition of Israel
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
What Israel is being discussed in "Red"? it's the actual Blood and Nation!
Where did the Rock get Laid? "Zion"
Where was Jesus? "Zion" of the Earth... when the FOUNDATION was "Revealed".
10 will be coming in a bit.
I know this is really hard for you Darby Followers, but try to pay attention:
"All Jews were Israelites, but not all Israelites were Jews."
If you guys could learn that simple statement, you wouldn't be so confused.
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