How do you defend yourself against people who will blow themselves up to kill you?
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dodge
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lol, no comparison between Israel when compared to Iraq , Afghanistan, nor any where in the Middle East for that matter.
You are comparing butterflies to hand grenades.
WizardofOz
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When have we ever discussed what I think? :idunno:
I have zero clue because I have not been to Iraq or Afghanistan or because you say so?
chair is Jewish and lives is Israel. You said the following to him:
dodge said:
You asked someone who lives in the middle east if they've ever been to the middle east as if that was going to make your assertions more persuasive. Do you understand your blunder now?
You never served next to an American Muslim in the United States military?
WizardofOz
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Let's try again. Is Israel in the middle east? You asked chair if he's ever been to the middle east...
Remember?
It seems a little explanation of my stance on these subjects is in order. It is a bit complex, and I don't think labeling me as "liberal" or my thinking as "wishful thinking" works.
I live in Israel. We have been dealing with Islamic terror here for many years. Buses blown up, missiles from Lebanon, rockets from Gaza, stabbings- you name it. I've been to the funerals and made condolence calls. Nearly blown up myself. I've been in the army here. I have two sons who do reserve duty.
When there is war in Gaza or Lebanon, I don't have any qualms. I know that civilians will get killed. That is the unfortunate nature of war, and if those "militants" (as the press likes to call them) want hell- they'll get it. And I am very aware that my family and home are at risk.
When some Arab decides to stab people, and gets shot dead by a policeman or soldier, I do not shed any tears.
But there is another side to the story. And the other side is that around 20% of the country is Arab- mostly Muslim. And the vast majority of them are not terrorists. I live in a city known for peaceful coexistence, and the fact remains that it is possible to have decent relations with your Muslim neighbor, even if other Muslims are terrorists or having a fun war where they kill each other by the hundreds of thousands.
The only thing that can work is a carrot and stick approach. Tough on terrorists, and encourage peaceful Muslims to fit into society. You need both.
When I see Muslim nurses in the hospital (you can tell by the Hijab), I feel good. I am glad to see Muslim families on the beach or in the shopping mall, or to meet them at weddings or my accountant's office. I have no problem hiring a Muslim (I had an Alawi PhD scientist working for me a few years ago. If you don't know what an "Alawi" is- time to get educated).
Lumping all Muslims into the same category is classic bigotry, but worse than that- it is simply stupid. The only real chance to win is by encouraging the moderates while at the same time attacking the extremists. It isn't easy, and will take a long time. But that is where we are.
Those who have served in the US military in Afghanistan, Iraq or wherever: You have likely spent much more time in uniform than I have. I respect that. But your view of the Middle East is narrow. You have seen it only as a soldier in combat.
I live in Israel. We have been dealing with Islamic terror here for many years. Buses blown up, missiles from Lebanon, rockets from Gaza, stabbings- you name it. I've been to the funerals and made condolence calls. Nearly blown up myself. I've been in the army here. I have two sons who do reserve duty.
When there is war in Gaza or Lebanon, I don't have any qualms. I know that civilians will get killed. That is the unfortunate nature of war, and if those "militants" (as the press likes to call them) want hell- they'll get it. And I am very aware that my family and home are at risk.
When some Arab decides to stab people, and gets shot dead by a policeman or soldier, I do not shed any tears.
But there is another side to the story. And the other side is that around 20% of the country is Arab- mostly Muslim. And the vast majority of them are not terrorists. I live in a city known for peaceful coexistence, and the fact remains that it is possible to have decent relations with your Muslim neighbor, even if other Muslims are terrorists or having a fun war where they kill each other by the hundreds of thousands.
The only thing that can work is a carrot and stick approach. Tough on terrorists, and encourage peaceful Muslims to fit into society. You need both.
When I see Muslim nurses in the hospital (you can tell by the Hijab), I feel good. I am glad to see Muslim families on the beach or in the shopping mall, or to meet them at weddings or my accountant's office. I have no problem hiring a Muslim (I had an Alawi PhD scientist working for me a few years ago. If you don't know what an "Alawi" is- time to get educated).
Lumping all Muslims into the same category is classic bigotry, but worse than that- it is simply stupid. The only real chance to win is by encouraging the moderates while at the same time attacking the extremists. It isn't easy, and will take a long time. But that is where we are.
Those who have served in the US military in Afghanistan, Iraq or wherever: You have likely spent much more time in uniform than I have. I respect that. But your view of the Middle East is narrow. You have seen it only as a soldier in combat.
annabenedetti
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Well said, chair. Outstanding post.
ok doser
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town's honesty is often suspect
.... is his opinion, based on his experiences, which are different from your experiences and different from chair's experiences
i've flushed things smarter than town
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Only to the usually suspicious, by which I mean those with comprehension issues.
I'm not basing my opinion of the reality of Islam on my experiences with it. It's not how you establish the rule or a real understanding.
So you'll never try to drown yourself then...that's some comfort.
ok doser
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instead, like most of your leftist ilk, you're basing it on pollyannaish wishful thinking
which is cute in a child, but more than a little retarded when seen in an adult
time to grow up town
time to stop being a retard
I'm actually noting what's objectively apparent and rationally consistent, as with my response to Yor. Fact isn't exclusive to a particular political philosophy and the fact remains indisputable that most of those opposing, fighting and dying in the struggle against ISIS are Muslim. That radical Islam is in the minority and contrary to Islam's orthodoxy isn't an opinion, it's a self-evident reflection of the facts.
Now show everyone why you really follow me about the joint. Go to, sod. Let's see you.
Now show everyone why you really follow me about the joint. Go to, sod. Let's see you.
That'll do....leftist ilk...pollyannaish...retarded...grow up...retard
ok doser
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dodge
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Re-read Chair's post ! Do you want the same kind of terror attacks that are on going in Israel in the U.S. ?
The best way to not have to fight for your survival on a regular basis is KEEP THE MUSLIMS OUT of the U.S.
ClimateSanity
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Then God help millions of us who also outnumber people like you.
ClimateSanity
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Seeing bigotry everywhere is much easier than clearly thinking an issue through to its end no matter how much that end damages their fragile psyche.
ClimateSanity
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Your education crippled you. It certainly was not something to be grateful for.
ok doser
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asking a liberal to think clearly about an issue is like asking your dog to sing pagliacci
theoretically, it's possible
practically? not so much
ClimateSanity
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Most terrorism is done at the hands of Muslims. If you want to make acts of terrorism rare, you must concentrate your efforts on the demographic that is responsible for the vast majority of it.....indoctrinated, unassimilated, male, Muslims who are second generation immigrants.
No, I'm unconvinced that most people are fearful and under-thought, ruled by emotions and prone to extremes. You may confuse yourself with the rule, but then, that's part of your problem to begin with.
lain:That said, I will join in a prayer that God helps everyone lost to that state with the certainty that grace alleviates spiritual ignorance and consequence.
Sometimes the media concentration can feed a popular perception. For instance, the University of Georgia looked at the coverage and actuals from 2011 through 2015 utilizing the global terrorism database and addressing terrorist acts and coverage in our country:
For those five years, the researchers found, Muslims carried out only 11 out of the 89 attacks, yet those attacks received 44 percent of the media coverage. (Meanwhile, 18 attacks actually
targeted Muslims in America). The Boston marathon bombing generated 474 news reports, amounting to 20 percent of the media terrorism coverage during the period analyzed. Overall, the authors report, "The average attack with a Muslim perpetrator is covered in 90.8 articles. Attacks with a Muslim, foreign-born perpetrator are covered in 192.8 articles on average. Compare this with other attacks, which received an average of 18.1 articles."
Controlling for target type, fatalities, and being arrested, attacks by Muslim perpetrators received, on average, 449% more coverage than other attacks. By covering terrorist attacks by Muslims dramatically more than other incidents, media frame this type of event as more prevalent. Based on these findings, it is no wonder that Americans are so fearful of radical Islamic terrorism.
Controlling for target type, fatalities, and being arrested, attacks by Muslim perpetrators received, on average, 449% more coverage than other attacks. By covering terrorist attacks by Muslims dramatically more than other incidents, media frame this type of event as more prevalent. Based on these findings, it is no wonder that Americans are so fearful of radical Islamic terrorism.