Hell and A Lack of Mercy

[freelight]

A tinkering we go......

A tinkering we go......

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Don't get freak out,...some belief-systems need to put in some creative 'tinkering' in the 'interpretation' department to fit their context of logic,....all must fit into the pre-figured conclusion,....so a tinkering they go

Of course they could accuse the other person of the same thing, but my commentary on justice and mercy with regards to ECT holds (here and elsewhere), which agrees with some of your intimations on the subject, as we've contested the eternal hell-fire and brimstone 'belief' for a long time here. Old timers on the subject we be :neck:

The book of Rev. was not well received by some early notables, at least it was rejected by some as not being included in some early canons, because it was too 'cryptic', 'apocalytpic' or 'lacking any considerable teachings of Jesus' like the gospels contained (or other reasons). Edgar Cayce's interpretation of the Book of Rev. is an interesting alternative perspective here & here.

 

[freelight]

Love without end............

Love without end............

No one has yet been able to establish the limits on God's mercy.

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Indeed,...just contemplate the INFINITY of Love.

Is divine love infinite, eternal, everlasting?

 

[Totton Linnet]

Love when rejected especially when rejected for a less worthy object is outraged.

Man swapped Life for death
freedom for darkness
wickedness for righteousness

The Prince of peace for the Prince of darkness....

The love of the father for his oft weak son is expressed how when that son is set upon by thugs? does the father love those thugs?

 

[freelight]

Love when rejected especially when rejected for a less worthy object is outraged.

Man swapped Life for death
freedom for darkness
wickedness for righteousness

The Prince of peace for the Prince of darkness....

The love of the father for his oft weak son is expressed how when that son is set upon by thugs? does the father love those thugs?

Love loves those thugs. Love loves sinners. Love loves all, because that is its nature.

Did Jesus say "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" ? Did he say to love those who hate you and do you no good?

 

[Totton Linnet]

You think so?

I would would hate to be an unrepentant liar when I am stood before Him who is infinite truth.

 

[freelight]

More to consider here......

More to consider here......

You think so?

I would would hate to be an unrepentant liar when I am stood before Him who is infinite truth.

Perhaps you ought to re-evaluate your estimation of 'God', and what his/her intrinsic nature IS (here I don't leave out the divine feminine, for using 'he' is just a proper conventional term which does not exclude all qualities, attributes or 'gender' of Spirit). Is 'God' love or not? Does his mercy endure forever? Is his will for all to be saved, to fulfill the purpose of their existence? What is love's will? Is God's love greater than our human conception of love? Can we place a limit on the infinite?

As far as any soul standing in the presence of 'God' no matter how iniquitous or wicked that soul is,....if that soul has the capacity/ability to REPENT, Love would ever extend its offer towards reformation, restoration, UNLESS that soul somehow is beyond repentance, and has reached a point in its 'condition' of 'no return', having been taking over completely by sin which results in a 'death' state. But we are hard pressed to assume that a soul COULD reach such a state, but in the 'conditional immortality' view, we assume that some souls do reap the full consequence of iniquity which is 'death' (disintegration). Never-the-less,....Love's will remains and in this case individual free will is 'sovereign' concerning the determining of 'destiny' of an individual soul, as 'God' respects/allows freedom of choice.

In Universalism all souls are eventually/ultimately re-united with God (Source), so that love does ultimately triumph, and the truth (true nature and will) of the Supreme ultimately prevails.....all individual parts and parcels of 'God' re-turning Home by the gravity, supremacy and ultimacy of divine will. 'Conditional immorality' and 'Universalism' therefore provide a more sane, logical, rational eschatology than ECT (eternal conscious torment in 'hell' or some 'lake of fire' or wherever). There are other quirks, possibilities and metaphysical perspectives within all 3 views, which cover so much speculation and research.

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See: What the hell is hell?

 

[way 2 go]

No one has yet been able to establish the limits on God's mercy.

God told you the limit,
the offer for mercy expires when you expire

Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

 

[freelight]

Infinite Love.............

Infinite Love.............

God told you the limit,
the offer for mercy expires when you expire

Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

I dont see this verse as proving we have only one life to live and after that there is a final judgment. The context of the passage is about Christ dying "once", and the writer just correlates this to his own belief that we also die 'once' and after this there is some sort of 'judgment'. No where can you prove in the Bible anyways, that all you get is one lifetime in the flesh to prove yourself. Grace affords souls many life-time-experiences or opportunities to grow, evolve and perfect themselves. Such is the concept of 'eternal progression' and 'plurality of existences' (rebirth, reincarnation).

A view of this verse from a reincarnation perspective here.

You cannot disprove that God's love and mercy extends beyond this mortal life and into the worlds beyond that is available to conscious-beings who transit into those worlds beyond the flesh. Note: the law of karma (compensation/retribution) continues on wherever there is 'action' of any kind, since this is a universal law (thought, action, consequence; you reap what you sow). In this case, 'judgment day' is every day,...as long as actions are taking place. This cannot be escaped, unless you have transcended the law of karma altogether in a state of pure non-duality, or purity of being, being love itself.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Perhaps you ought to re-evaluate your estimation of 'God', and what his/her intrinsic nature IS (here I don't leave out the divine feminine, for using 'he' is just a proper conventional term which does not exclude all qualities, attributes or 'gender' of Spirit). Is 'God' love or not? Does his mercy endure forever? Is his will for all to be saved, to fulfill the purpose of their existence? What is love's will? Is God's love greater than our human conception of love? Can we place a limit on the infinite?

As far as any soul standing in the presence of 'God' no matter how iniquitous or wicked that soul is,....if that soul has the capacity/ability to REPENT, Love would ever extend its offer towards reformation, restoration, UNLESS that soul somehow is beyond repentance, and has reached a point in its 'condition' of 'no return', having been taking over completely by sin which results in a 'death' state. But we are hard pressed to assume that a soul COULD reach such a state, but in the 'conditional immortality' view, we assume that some souls do reap the full consequence of iniquity which is 'death' (disintegration). Never-the-less,....Love's will remains and in this case individual free will is 'sovereign' concerning the determining of 'destiny' of an individual soul, as 'God' respects/allows freedom of choice.

In Universalism all souls are eventually/ultimately re-united with God (Source), so that love does ultimately triumph, and the truth (true nature and will) of the Supreme ultimately prevails.....all individual parts and parcels of 'God' re-turning Home by the gravity, supremacy and ultimacy of divine will. 'Conditional immorality' and 'Universalism' therefore provide a more sane, logical, rational eschatology than ECT (eternal conscious torment in 'hell' or some 'lake of fire' or wherever). There are other quirks, possibilities and metaphysical perspectives within all 3 views, which cover so much speculation and research.

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See: What the hell is hell?

It's all flummery....God needs no flattery...the bible speaks about His kindness and also His severety....You say to the wicked "go in peace it will be well with you"

But Christ will say "depart from Me ye cursed...." and they will depart into eternal punishment

 

[bybee]

It's all flummery....God needs no flattery...the bible speaks about His kindness and also His severety....You say to the wicked "go in peace it will be well with you"

But Christ will say "depart from Me ye cursed...." and they will depart into eternal punishment

The wicked don't know Christ. They will surely perish.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The wicked don't know Christ. They will surely perish.

If i may adjust that a touch, the wicked dont want to know Christ.This is why they will surely perish.

 

[freelight]

No flummery.....but logic, reason, principle.....

No flummery.....but logic, reason, principle.....

It's all flummery....God needs no flattery...the bible speaks about His kindness and also His severety.

No flummery involved, or flattery. Yes, 'God' is wholly just and merciful, essentially good, gracious, kind, beneficent, a loving Heavenly Father.

...You say to the wicked "go in peace it will be well with you"

NEVER have I EVER said such a thing. My commentaries are available for all to see and consider on the subject, as they speak for themselves. By the law of karma (also called the 'law of compensation/retribution'; 'cause/effect')....all thoughts, words and actions have consequences. What is sown, is reaped.

But Christ will say "depart from Me ye cursed...." and they will depart into eternal punishment

There's only one verse and 'some' bible translations that put it into those English words if you're speaking of Matt. 25:46. See here

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ECT, the right to reject a doctrine on principle

Bible translations that do not teach eternal torment

 

[way 2 go]

If i may adjust that a touch, the wicked dont want to know Christ.This is why they will surely perish.

Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

Amen

 

[patrick jane]

Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

Don't do wicked things

 

[way 2 go]

Don't do wicked things

Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.