Yes it is--John 20:17, Rev 3:12---Fact-God does not have a God.
Eternal suffering is not Literal
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Yes it is--John 20:17, Rev 3:12---Fact-God does not have a God.
Jesus already answered you--Mark 10:18
symbolism, there is a lot of that in the bible. some teachings have other teachings that go with them to make a truth.
Example- John 3:16-- Your translations have believe in Jesus to get saved. Mine says excercises faith in him.
For one thing its speaking of the real Jesus, 2) at Matt 7:22-23 -These believe but will hear the opposite from Jesus at judgement.
The bible isnt contradicting itself, its the error in your passage at John 3:16 that makes it look like a contradiction.
The lake of fire = the second death. There is no life in death.-1Thess 4:13 says they are sleeping in death. John 11:11-Jesus said Lazarus was a sleep in death. Those teaching one goes to heaven at death are not teaching truth.
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Same chapter...
John 20:27-29 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (20:28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (20:29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
Notice that Jesus did NOT correct Thomas when he called Jesus LORD and GOD.
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Note, AGAIN, that Jesus did NOT say that HE was NOT GOOD... Jesus is God and Jesus is good.
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"symbolism, there is a lot of that in the bible."
"symbolism, there is a lot of that in the bible."
False, like most of what you say.
Jesus doesnt say that at Mark 10:18--so why do you?
Must stink living in darkness. Its the men with white collars who do not have truth.
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You are seeing the exact opposite of the truth. Where does Jesus say that He is not good?
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I wouldn't know, since I'm not. Perhaps you can tell me about it, since you are.
It is justice.
So will an eternity in hell/lake of fire be for disobeying God.
You get a just punishment or just reward.
You bet.
Reason would have saved all the saint killed in the Forum by Nero...or who ever.
But those saint's loss would be immeasurable.
It is also established in the NT, in Ro 8:13..."For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Every man must make the choice, live for God or live for self.
Only one choice is correct.
What did Judgerightly just tell you? Didn't he say to stop being dumb?
Or it's proof HE claimed to be God....HE didn't deny that HE was good HE asked them why they called HIM good when only God alone was good. C'mon this is basic stuff. HE was constantly fencing with them like this.
It would be a lot easier to take people like you seriously on bigger stuff if you would just study enough to show thyself approved on the most basic stuff at least.
Are you asserting Jesus is not good?
If so, what about Jesus makes Him not good?
If you're not asserting that Jesus is not good, then that means he IS good, and therefore God, no?
Sure, but that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is symbolism.
Please tell us, if "eternal punishment" is symbolism, then what does it symbolize? And, continuing off of that, if "eternal punishment" is symbolism, then "eternal life" must also be symbolism, since it was spoken in the same sentence, and probably the same breath, so what does "eternal life" symbolize"?
Or, if you assert that "eternal life" is NOT symbolic, then why do you assert that "eternal punishment" IS symbolic?
There are plenty of teachings about eternal punishment. Why do you assume all of them are symbolic?
Ok. And?
No one said there was.
Which is a euphemism that refers to... well, have you ever seen a dead person?
At first glance, a dead body looks like the person is just sleeping. But they're not.
That's what the euphemism refers to. It's a euphemism for the physical appearance of their body.
It has nothing, or at least, very little to do with their spiritual state.
Supra.
But none of this actually addresses what it means to face eternal death.
It means that a person is separated from God, who is life. Guess what, Jesus said that He was the life. No, not the life of the party, but that He is actually the life, and truth, and the way. God is life. Therefore, Jesus is God.
And to be separated from Him means one is dead. But it doesn't mean that a person ceases to exist. No, it just means that you are cut off (that's a biblical term for you!) from life.
Being cast into the lake of fire for eternity means you will be cut off from life for forever, for eternity, for the rest of time.
Kjw, you DON'T want to be in that situation. Turn to God the Son, who is in Heaven sitting next to His Father, hoping you turn to Him!
Yes they must make that choice and deut 30:19 is the result of that choice. Live for the true God=YHWH(Jehovah)
What did Judgerightly just tell you? Didn't he say to stop being dumb?
HE didn't deny that HE was good HE asked them why they called HIM good when only God alone was good. C'mon this is basic stuff. HE was constantly fencing with them like this.
It would be a lot easier to take people like you seriously on bigger stuff if you would just study enough to show thyself approved on the most basic stuff at least.
Any can twist things into oblivion. Since its 100% fact, Jesus is not God, because the bible teaches God sent another who was called Gods son, not God. God always was and always will be. The man Jesus had a mortal mother.
Those who teach eternal suffering are teaching there is life in death. One must have eternal life to suffer eternally if it were literal.
Yes Jesus went back to heaven and sat at the right hand of God-He did not sit at his own right hand.
Your God would be insane if the trinity were true as one God. At Rev 1:1 he said--Here me have a revelation, as well he prayed to himself.
So can you.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega.
Yes, He got His human nature from Mary. But His Father was God the Father.
That makes Him God by nature.