Well of course the threads still here to read, what, was it gonna go somewhere else? Got a quote of mine that says that God needs to know the future in order to say something yet? I would wish you good luck on the score but you'd need more than that.
They're only mutually exclusive to those who conflate foreknowledge with determinism.
No, they're not.
Knowing the future infallibly is mutually exclusive to a man having a will.
They aren't the same thing but you've had this explained enough times already.
Yes, we've already agreed on that.
But you've had this explained enough times already.
You can use your plethora of tedious soundbites all you want, it sure ain't me that places limitations on what God can do, it's you.
This coming from the guy who says God didn't just use a rooster to crow after Peter denied Him three times because it doesn't fit his position.
All you've done is come up with some feeble bunk that God could have made a bird chirp after Peter's third denial
Could God not have? Why not?
and that God likely knew what he was going to do.
Not just likely. Probable.
God is able to make predictions FAR BEYOND what we men can do.
The verse is absolutely specific, no alternative "understanding" required.
It's specific enough to know that God knew what Peter would do before a rooster crowed.
It is NOT specific enough to be able to claim that therefore God knows the future infallibly.
Is it "magical" to you if a thousand years is like a day to God and the same in reverse?
There's nothing magical about that.
It's simply a figure of speech talking about God's patience. He is so patient that a thousand years to him is LIKE a day. It's not a literal statement, Arthur, and you should recognize that.
Maybe Jesus feeding the five thousand with some bread and fish was metaphor perhaps?
Nope, He literally fed five thousand people with some bread and fish.
Changing water into wine etc?
Nope. He literally changed water into wine, and it was the good stuff too.
God isn't limited to a human perspective or understanding where it comes to time.
Well, your sense of what's "rational" for God is hardly the yardstick for Him, so any limitations you decide to place are pretty much yours and yours alone.
Knowing what choices people have/will make is not setting 'anything in stone'.
Knowing it infallibly is, because there is literally no other possibility than what is known to be true (definition of infallible).
Take that up with those who actually believe in a determined universe where everything's programmed and there is no such thing as choice.
If any entity has infallible knowledge of the future, then to the extent of their knowledge of the future, the future IS determined, and there is alternate possible future possible.
Stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the difference is stupid but have at it as you will.
I have acknowledged the difference already. Please catch up to the conversation.