John Mortimer
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To exist means to stand forth from Being, (I AM). There will be no memory of this existence. Timeless being IS.
Do I really exist?
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oatmeal
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That's too deep for me
John Mortimer
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What is the "me" that is too deep for? Paul declared that in Him we live and move and have our being. The individual manifestations that stand forth in existence are temporary...they have no ultimate reality.
oatmeal
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John Mortimer
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It doesn't help anything putting others down....but then again, if that's how you are, that's how you are.
freelight
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Life is Self-cognizant.......
Life is Self-cognizant.......
Reality itself is Self-evident. - the knowing of existence is inherent to itself.
The pure "I" of awareness, is 'seeing' and from it arises all forms or expressions of 'being'.
It would not matter, if this 'someone else' is one or more personalities assumed by you, as various egos engaging in the world of relationships. Behind any conscious personality, is 'awareness'. Innate in that awareness is all 'knowledge' and 'perception'. If there is any 'knowing' present, and reflected 'knowledge' within that 'knowing', there is 'existence' of something, and even before 'existence' there is that which is prior to existence, from which existence arises, so the original reality is always there (Omni-present).
There is only an 'oatmeal' as figured or imaged in consciousness, however you have assumed that 'figuration'. -it is part of an ego-construct assumed by your Self.
For a clearer presentation of your true nature go here.
om shanti,
pj
Life is Self-cognizant.......
Reality itself is Self-evident. - the knowing of existence is inherent to itself.
The pure "I" of awareness, is 'seeing' and from it arises all forms or expressions of 'being'.
It would not matter, if this 'someone else' is one or more personalities assumed by you, as various egos engaging in the world of relationships. Behind any conscious personality, is 'awareness'. Innate in that awareness is all 'knowledge' and 'perception'. If there is any 'knowing' present, and reflected 'knowledge' within that 'knowing', there is 'existence' of something, and even before 'existence' there is that which is prior to existence, from which existence arises, so the original reality is always there (Omni-present).
There is only an 'oatmeal' as figured or imaged in consciousness, however you have assumed that 'figuration'. -it is part of an ego-construct assumed by your Self.
For a clearer presentation of your true nature go here.
om shanti,
pj
oatmeal
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Whoa
My apologies if you think I was putting you down.
One of basic elements of communication is understanding the message sent.
Until the message is understood, communication has not happened
oatmeal
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Truth if put in words , can be defined as that which accurately describes what is.
That would be my shortest explanation of my understanding
In other words, I think I agree with you.
oatmeal
eameece
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My estimate is that freelight's view is basically correct. But I would give a bit more significance to the changing, individualized aspect of things than most who are interested in eastern "enlightenment." The unchanging and changing, the eternal and temporal, the individualized and universal, depend on each other for full existence. My impression is that the individual soul exists; whether it is eternal I don't know. It seems that experience that is not remembered, or part of a growth process, is of no significance or value; that life is more than a mere passing of moments in eternity. My impression, right or wrong, is that one can (nevertheless) detach from clinging to this individual life; that clinging and attaching to it does not "add one cubit to its stature," as Jesus said. If the soul is real, you don't need to do anything to make or keep it real (or to get it "saved"). But it can be taken over by demons; most of which are within us, and are the same as that clinging to itself. Reclaiming yourself as a center of being seems important; not to let others or your own fears steal your soul.
My real identity is (also) the One Eternal Being of Pure Awareness. I can experience that that which I usually call "other," is also me. I can do this partly because I accept that this other, is also other, and not me as my individual self. Only if I allow others to be themselves, do I become aware of my real existence as all beings, including them. I, as the eternal self of pure awareness, always am, and at the core I am always enlightened. This is what Jesus meant when he said "Before Abraham was, I am." He was calling attention to the eternal self that each of us also is. I just need to pay more attention. Deliberate intention to pay attention, can lead one to greater awareness of that which IS; to being awake. Jesus was a spiritual master, and what he said was the same as what gurus and masters say.
The western hermetic vision and its modern form as "the holographic universe" holds as much interest for me as the eastern vision of oneness. I as an individual soul, am a microcosm of the whole-- the universal and eternal.
My real identity is (also) the One Eternal Being of Pure Awareness. I can experience that that which I usually call "other," is also me. I can do this partly because I accept that this other, is also other, and not me as my individual self. Only if I allow others to be themselves, do I become aware of my real existence as all beings, including them. I, as the eternal self of pure awareness, always am, and at the core I am always enlightened. This is what Jesus meant when he said "Before Abraham was, I am." He was calling attention to the eternal self that each of us also is. I just need to pay more attention. Deliberate intention to pay attention, can lead one to greater awareness of that which IS; to being awake. Jesus was a spiritual master, and what he said was the same as what gurus and masters say.
The western hermetic vision and its modern form as "the holographic universe" holds as much interest for me as the eastern vision of oneness. I as an individual soul, am a microcosm of the whole-- the universal and eternal.
oatmeal
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eameece
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I think freelight wants you to look at the first question. Who is the I asking the question? According to the "enlightened" view, there is no real separate I except the universal I, that is both you and whoever else there might be.
For all I know, you could be a shell script.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Self inquiry (Atma-vichara)
Self inquiry (Atma-vichara)
Adding to what was shared earlier,...you can keep inquiring "Who am I"? and see find what is at the root or 'heart' of the "I". You might discover that the light(living-awareness and 'knowing') behind your 'conscious' being is what your real nature IS. - all 'else' that you've assumed as a 'body-mind'(ego/personality) and all its thoughts, concepts, opinions, images...are vehicles you've assumed (being 'objectives' that your pure subjective awareness perceives as a play on reality - they are more less 'reflections' of light figured as 'individual experience'.
You are not what you think or imagine. You 'are'. - all else that arises as thought-conceptions are just that,.....a construct of thoughts, variously associated, inter-relating, caught in a web of duality.
What another thinks of you are their own perceptions and thought-projections reflecting in consciousness.
If you would like to study 'Self-Inquiry' as taught by Ramana Maharshi, and discover the source-root of the "I" that asks the question, go here. - also access all about RM and the practice of 'self-inquiry' here. This is the fundamental essence of Advaita Vedanta (non-duality), which transcends all theology or egoic speculations, and centers one's concentrated focus on the source of consciousness itself, the HEART.
It is this 'heart-center' that is 'God', who is pure 'being' and 'consciousness', but is also that which is the root of all, beyond description, prior to concepts, thought, space or time. As espoused in the Upanishads....'You are that'. You are pure awareness itself. That is all ( that alone which is absolute, unchanging, indivisible, eternal, infinite). All else is are constructs of mind, and its various attachments, assuming what it imagines, while not seeing what it is in essence. - such is the play of 'creation' within the perception of space-time where awareness assumes an individualized existence within a particular body-mind complex. Once you abandon this body-mind or material form, you may continue to assume another body-mind complex, in the natural cycles of birth, death and re-birth. (see Reincarnation) - such is the law of nature.
This has all been shared in my various older threads on 'non-duality' and 'The Mighty I AM Presence', etc.
Just BE. (be aware of that primordial Be-ing that stands alone all by itself, as itSelf. This is the Universal Self, the Immortal Self, the shining One. - everything else is but an individual expression or part and parcel of the One Self, manifesting as the many. The One individes itself as an expression of its own infinite potential.
pj
Self inquiry (Atma-vichara)
Adding to what was shared earlier,...you can keep inquiring "Who am I"? and see find what is at the root or 'heart' of the "I". You might discover that the light(living-awareness and 'knowing') behind your 'conscious' being is what your real nature IS. - all 'else' that you've assumed as a 'body-mind'(ego/personality) and all its thoughts, concepts, opinions, images...are vehicles you've assumed (being 'objectives' that your pure subjective awareness perceives as a play on reality - they are more less 'reflections' of light figured as 'individual experience'.
You are not what you think or imagine. You 'are'. - all else that arises as thought-conceptions are just that,.....a construct of thoughts, variously associated, inter-relating, caught in a web of duality.
What another thinks of you are their own perceptions and thought-projections reflecting in consciousness.
If you would like to study 'Self-Inquiry' as taught by Ramana Maharshi, and discover the source-root of the "I" that asks the question, go here. - also access all about RM and the practice of 'self-inquiry' here. This is the fundamental essence of Advaita Vedanta (non-duality), which transcends all theology or egoic speculations, and centers one's concentrated focus on the source of consciousness itself, the HEART.
It is this 'heart-center' that is 'God', who is pure 'being' and 'consciousness', but is also that which is the root of all, beyond description, prior to concepts, thought, space or time. As espoused in the Upanishads....'You are that'. You are pure awareness itself. That is all ( that alone which is absolute, unchanging, indivisible, eternal, infinite). All else is are constructs of mind, and its various attachments, assuming what it imagines, while not seeing what it is in essence. - such is the play of 'creation' within the perception of space-time where awareness assumes an individualized existence within a particular body-mind complex. Once you abandon this body-mind or material form, you may continue to assume another body-mind complex, in the natural cycles of birth, death and re-birth. (see Reincarnation) - such is the law of nature.
This has all been shared in my various older threads on 'non-duality' and 'The Mighty I AM Presence', etc.
Just BE. (be aware of that primordial Be-ing that stands alone all by itself, as itSelf. This is the Universal Self, the Immortal Self, the shining One. - everything else is but an individual expression or part and parcel of the One Self, manifesting as the many. The One individes itself as an expression of its own infinite potential.
pj
The Matrix movies are stupid.
Bibo ergo sum. Er, something like that.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Nothing exists outside of the cognizing "I"
Nothing exists outside of the cognizing "I"
Hi eameece
I agree with much of what you share, for there ever co-existing both the 'universal' and 'individual', the 'absolute' and the 'relative', the 'whole' and its 'parts'. I would add for our readers your statement above (in bold)...that it is true that such a 'soul' needs no 'saving' but only 're-cognizing' itself as itself (its true nature/essence), is all that is essential...since that pure soul is already of the nature of 'God' its very root and source, from which its own substance and form is derived...there being no 'other' in reality. There is only that One God-Presence, but variously individualized thru-out space and time assuming various ego-disguises - we could pursue the allegory here further,..but this will suffice for this segment......
pj
Nothing exists outside of the cognizing "I"
Hi eameece
I agree with much of what you share, for there ever co-existing both the 'universal' and 'individual', the 'absolute' and the 'relative', the 'whole' and its 'parts'. I would add for our readers your statement above (in bold)...that it is true that such a 'soul' needs no 'saving' but only 're-cognizing' itself as itself (its true nature/essence), is all that is essential...since that pure soul is already of the nature of 'God' its very root and source, from which its own substance and form is derived...there being no 'other' in reality. There is only that One God-Presence, but variously individualized thru-out space and time assuming various ego-disguises
- we could pursue the allegory here further,..but this will suffice for this segment......pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Essence before being and its reflection
Essence before being and its reflection
If essence precedes being, then it is more appropriately "I Am, therefore I think". - Thought, mentation and conceptualization arises from that prior essence of being as an emerging projection of consciousness and its various associations. Not to split hairs, ...but just another twist on it
pj
Essence before being and its reflection
If essence precedes being, then it is more appropriately "I Am, therefore I think". - Thought, mentation and conceptualization arises from that prior essence of being as an emerging projection of consciousness and its various associations. Not to split hairs, ...but just another twist on it
pj
