Trump Gurl
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Our Founding Fathers said it is okay to take up arms if the government ever become illegitimate. A stolen election equals an illegitimate government..
Dems are trying to steal the election with voter fraud
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Our Founding Fathers said it is okay to take up arms if the government ever become illegitimate. A stolen election equals an illegitimate government..
Is what the Founding Fathers said absolute?
Where did the founding fathers say that?
Trump Gurl
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Its good enough for me.
Trump Gurl
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A Jewish man questioning the right to rise up against an oppressive regime?
You ain't Jewish
Derf
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Indeed. Thank you for actually responding to my question.
This is how they justified their revolution against the British.
Are things at this point in the US? "absolute Despotism"? I think not, despite Donald Trump's attempt to destroy the foundations of US democracy.
Derf
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Against British rule, perhaps. Not against the British people, whom most counted themselves among.
But absolute despotism doesn't actually allow anyone to escape its clutches, so you don't wait until despotism becomes absolute.
Which part of US democracy do you think Trump has attempted to destroy?
And how much election fraud does one permit in the attempt to preserve democracy?
ok doser
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You're skipping over the main key word, "design." I'll highlight it for you: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism..."
The founding fathers observed that evil design. They weren't going to wait for its fruition before they acted.
Trump Gurl
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Well put.
Biden, of course.
I don't like Trump, and I dislike even more having to defend him. But if someone is wronged, then they deserve to have justice.
Apparently I'm so in thrall with my "Fearless Leader" that I can't be bothered to listen to his campaign BS or even vote for him. That doesn't mean I pull out my Biden gun and shoot myself in the head.
Seriously though, I guess I would rather have justice - unlike chair. At least I can count vote totals - unlike chair. And that reflects pretty poorly on you chair, who is a smart guy, and it ought to cause you pause to think and then apologize.
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President Donald Trump was voted the “Most Admired Man” of 2020, with 18%
Placing in third in this year’s poll was President-Elect Joe Biden at 6%
Trump Gurl
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I guess the Dems did not feel like rigging that election