And figs.Apparently he is not so good at managing 2 things now, money and angels. :chuckle:
God hates figs. You think that could have been managed better.
Stuart
And figs.Apparently he is not so good at managing 2 things now, money and angels. :chuckle:
What, you mean accept the human sacrifice of a god killing itself to impress itself, so that christians will stop telling me I don't believe in their Imaginary Friend because I don't want responsibility, while their acceptance of a sacrifice is precisely because they want to give up their responsibility?But Stuart, it's definitely not to late for you either. Give it a chance?!!
Your god can go and get lost."God would have that none shall be lost, but that all shall believe." And not one soul lost.
Hopefully not.God Be With You All
All decency, intellectual and ethical.What have you got to lose??
What, you mean accept the human sacrifice of a god killing itself to impress itself, so that christians will stop telling me I don't believe in their Imaginary Friend because I don't want responsibility, while their acceptance of a sacrifice is precisely because they want to give up their responsibility?
I do have some standards, you know.
Your god can go and get lost.
Hopefully not.
Stuart
I love it when christians threaten me on behalf of the unspeakable monster they worship.My God can't get lost. He already knows His way around, not like you!! You do have a lot of nerve, but it's because you don't Know Who you are speaking about. You are just puffed up and afraid to blow it. Want to be acceptable among your atheists friends even if it means burning forever and missing a lifetime of real Love that your Family should have Given you Already!!! You don't even KNOW what you are Missing? It's really nice to have someone caring about you, Stuu! Your bravado is wasted upon me, because I believe in giving second and third chances. Only God knows where the line will be drawn. But you are pushing it. That is a real shame. Do you think your pride will help you withstand the melting furnace coming your way, instead of the Love Instead that you could Have??
Stuu, you are the dumbest person I can imagine if you feel this way. Now I sound like Noguru, right?!! I'm sorry, but I cannot fathom this conversation at all!! Go wherever you want. What should I care. It does me nothing, either way. Just my own care about another human being. That's what I get for caring!!
Michael
I love it when christians threaten me on behalf of the unspeakable monster they worship.
Tell me more about the violence it would unleash upon me, when I have really never hurt anyone as far as I know. And tell me that's justice.
Stuart
What can God do?? Nothing.
I tell you what I think wouldn't be fair Michael, not providing me with the factual basis and truth so that I can make a rational choice if there is one to make, while in fact hiding the truth away from me behind a mask of invisibility.Dear Alwight,
This should answer things for you. The Lord can visit me because I ALREADY strongly believe in Him, and there is no bias. The Devil can't say, Oh, God, Michael believes in You because you've visited him.
If the Lord visits you, Al, then the Devil can say, Oh, Al didn't believe in You until You visited him. There is bias. The Devil will say to God, "That's not fair! Now Al will never want to follow me, for he knows the truth now."
Sorry but I can't choose to believe something that I cannot detect any specific evidence for, on the say so of someone whose own set of religious beliefs are clearly contentious and only one of many others that people believe around the world.Do you understand what I'm saying here, or should I explain it more? I would believe already, whether or not He visited me. You won't believe already, if He doesn't visit you. Does that explain it?
:liberals:Let's say this. A Man asks one man to help Him get home to His house, but the man is too busy and declines. But if that same Man asks one man to help Him home to His House and knows that He will receive a million dollars for doing it, he will help Him home, no matter how busy he is.
Have you actually thought this through rationally Michael? It really doesn't make any sense at all.It's really kind of hard to explain. Hope this does it.
God doesn't want us to help Him or believe in Him because we will get a million dollars/ paradise for doing it. He instead wants them to help Him or believe in Him just because they Love Him instead. That's how He is. I should not be telling you the secret. He searches the hearts of men to see if they truly love Him or not. And sometimes there are tests, of course. But those who really Love Him, He will find out.
Then why did you write this?I'm not threatening you on behalf of my God
Do you think your pride will help you withstand the melting furnace coming your way
All the totalitarian despots say that.and He will tell you that He is no monster.
That's about all he ever does Michael.
When good things happen, it's praise da lord. When bad, things happen, it's never mind, the lord works in mysterious ways....
Pesky blighter seems to have all angles covered :chuckle:
I tell you what I think wouldn't be fair Michael, not providing me with the factual basis and truth so that I can make a rational choice if there is one to make, while in fact hiding the truth away from me behind a mask of invisibility.
Sorry but I can't choose to believe something that I cannot detect any specific evidence for, on the say so of someone whose own set of religious beliefs are clearly contentious and only one of many others that people believe around the world.
:liberals:
Have you actually thought this through rationally Michael? It really doesn't make any sense at all.
You are apparently claiming that it is somehow possible to blindly pre-love a supposed entity that cannot even be detected by me, who apparently doesn't want to be detectable, who actively makes sure that I can't detect it, because if I knew the truth, being either eternal agony or eternal bliss presumably, then that might just influence my judgement and love? :nono:
Then why did you write this?
Your god can do anything it wants, right? So it doesn't have to threaten people with burning sulfur. Yet it chooses to, apparently, and it seems to want to make you do the dirty work of threatening me on its behalf.
There can be no possible justice in condemning me in any way, when I have done nothing to deserve such discourteous treatment. It has no right to judge me whatever, nor you for that matter. Your god can take its burning sulfur and insert it where no sun shines.
All the totalitarian despots say that.
Stuart
I tell you what I think wouldn't be fair Michael, not providing me with the factual basis and truth so that I can make a rational choice if there is one to make, while in fact hiding the truth away from me behind a mask of invisibility.
Sorry but I can't choose to believe something that I cannot detect any specific evidence for, on the say so of someone whose own set of religious beliefs are clearly contentious and only one of many others that people believe around the world.
:liberals:
Have you actually thought this through rationally Michael? It really doesn't make any sense at all.
You are apparently claiming that it is somehow possible to blindly pre-love a supposed entity that cannot even be detected by me, who apparently doesn't want to be detectable, who actively makes sure that I can't detect it, because if I knew the truth, being either eternal agony or eternal bliss presumably, then that might just influence my judgement and love? :nono:
Well, as it happens, all I ever expect to happen is to live and die, and that will be the end of me. And that shouldn't be any cause of alarm because the universe was around a long time before I was, and will be around a long time after I am gone. The atoms in my body (and yours) have already been through three stars. Here we are, an arrangement of atoms that form the only way the universe can know itself. That alone is amazing enough for me.I'm just saying you will not like the other choice.
No, Michael. There is no choice. You live, and you die. That is all there is to it. There is nothing anyone can do about it, and no one should be trying to do anything about it. We are products of a life cycle set in an ecology that couldn't possibly work any other way. But what a fantastic thing to have been a conscious intelligent being able to explore the thing that made you: the universe and the laws by which it operates.But you'd rather choose it
What you are supposed to do is think. That is what makes you unique as a human in this universe.so what am I suppose to do?? I really hope that you'd reconsider Him instead.