Creation vs. Evolution

[alwight]

Of course any person could be wrong, as you say. But throughout the New Testament Paul explains (salvation in) God and Jesus to both Jew first and then also the Gentile world.

Then back it up with facts and evidence that there is any actual truth in apparently Paul's otherwise empty bald assertions. I know you can't btw.

 

[Jacob]

Then back it up with facts and evidence that there is any actual truth in apparently Paul's otherwise empty bald assertions. I know you can't btw.

I'm unsure of where your attack is coming from. Would you say that Paul speaks against the truth or would you say no one can ever communicate the truth or neither?

 

[Stuu]

Hi Stuart, So glad to hear from you, buddy!! Yes, I know that dinosaurs had eggs too. I find it compelling to call a crocodile or armadillo, or an elephant descendants of dinosaurs.

Unfortunately none of those species are descended from dinosaurs. Only birds are.

An elephant is just a woolly mammoth without the heavy coat of hair.

That's roughly true. Although mammoths are a different species that went extinct. They are most closely related to Asian elephants.

As far as how dinosaurs were extinguished from the Earth, I can only imagine that they had another mishap as when Noah and his family was saved out of all of the rest of the world. Do you know how powerful that message is. God would just as soon as get rid of you as look at you when you've swallowed too much evil. Dinosaurs had to leave the Earth in order for mankind to have dominion over all of the creatures of the Earth. Otherwise it couldn't happen. It says in Gen. 1:26, that God would allow that man shall have dominion over all of the other creatures in the Earth. Man wouldn't have had much of an advantage over a Tyrannosaurus, even with simple spears. They had to go, even the brontosaurus. And so the story rages on!!

Humans don't have control over microorganisms, bacteria especially. And half of all human deaths have been caused by the malaria parasite. Sabre tooths were a problem for us on the African savannah for a long time too. Sabre tooths could even be one cause for us to believe in gods! Those early humans who thought there was something hiding nearby even when there wasn't were the ones that survived. Those who were skeptical got munched eventually. Seeing patterns where there are no real patterns is a human trait. Seeing gods where there are no gods is pretty much the same thing.

Stuart

 

[alwight]

I'm unsure of where your attack is coming from. Would you say that Paul speaks against the truth or would you say no one can ever communicate the truth or neither?

What I am saying is that this guy called Paul has no more ability to know such things as anyone else.

 

[Jacob]

What I am saying is that this guy called Paul has no more ability to know such things as anyone else.

You can know the same things he knows, and sooner if you read his writings, unless these things are already apparent to you. But remember, Paul says that though he himself has much knowledge love is better than knowledge.

 

[Stuu]

The only true God has to be the Creator.

Why can't it be the work of Eros and Chaos of the Roman mythology? What differentiates between creation myth stories?

Romans chapter 1 reveals God as the creator, and His creation as a revelation of Himself (His character (attributes)) are clearly seen in that which has been made.

Alwight gave you a list of species that humans find unpleasant in various ways. Is that the character of your god? Has it given us a universe that is mostly inhospitable to us, except the bottom few kilometres of the atmosphere on this planet, because it is mostly an inhospitable god that doesn't like the idea of easy space travel? Did it invent the Guinea worm because its character is sadistic and it enjoys seeing the burning pain of a human parasite crawling out through the skin?

Stuart

 

[alwight]

You can know the same things he knows, and sooner if you read his writings, unless these things are already apparent to you. But remember, Paul says that though he himself has much knowledge love is better than knowledge.

How do you know that what Paul claims to know, he wasn't simply deluded about, or arguably perhaps more likely, fabrications by him to help with his evangelising?

 

[Stuu]

Of course any person could be wrong, as you say. But throughout the New Testament Paul explains (salvation in) God and Jesus to both Jew first and then also the Gentile world.

The fight scene in Acts 15 between Saul of Tarsus and Simon Peter is still one of my favorite bible stories.

Stuart

 

[Jacob]

Why can't it be the work of Eros and Chaos of the Roman mythology? What differentiates between creation myth stories?


Alwight gave you a list of species that humans find unpleasant in various ways. Is that the character of your god? Has it given us a universe that is mostly inhospitable to us, except the bottom few kilometres of the atmosphere on this planet, because it is mostly an inhospitable god that doesn't like the idea of easy space travel? Did it invent the Guinea worm because its character is sadistic and it enjoys seeing the burning pain of a human parasite crawling out through the skin?

Stuart

I know the Bible contains the story of creation, but I do not believe it to be a myth. Sorry.

Did you know that the Bible reveals that death (and thus pain, sorrow, and suffering) are the result of sin? Adam and Eve sinned, and this brought death to the earth (mankind, etc...).

 

[Jacob]

The fight scene in Acts 15 between Saul of Tarsus and Simon Peter is still one of my favorite bible stories.

Stuart

There is no fight scene here in Acts 15 as you suppose. What are you talking about?

Both Peter and Paul brought the gospel to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Gentiles).

 

[alwight]

The fight scene in Acts 15 between Saul of Tarsus and Simon Peter is still one of my favorite bible stories.

Stuart

Why didn't they just ask the Holy Ghost to arbitrate, since they both seemed to have a direct-line?
As evangelists often do it seems.

 

[Stuu]

I know the Bible contains the story of creation, but I do not believe it to be a myth. Sorry.

Ok, well if you can't help me distinguish between stories the I will have to dismiss yours as a personal delusion. The story of Chaos and Eros makes far more sense to me.

Did you know that the Bible reveals that death (and thus pain, sorrow, and suffering) are the result of sin? Adam and Eve sinned, and this brought death to the earth (mankind, etc...).

So what does that have to do with a Guinea worm causing excruciating pain as part of its life cycle? Are you suggesting that humans could have been fine without the sensation of pain, as long as temptation hadn't been indulged by Adam and Eve?

Stuart

 

[Stuu]

Why didn't they just ask the Holy Ghost to arbitrate, since they both seemed to have a direct-line?
As evangelists often do it seems.

Maybe Saul asked the Insubstantial One to obliterate, rather than arbitrate.

But the Big HG had celestial pay-per-view and wanted an even contest.

Stuart

 

[Jacob]

Ok, well if you can't help me distinguish between stories the I will have to dismiss yours as a personal delusion. The story of Chaos and Eros makes far more sense to me.


So what does that have to do with a Guinea worm causing excruciating pain as part of its life cycle? Are you suggesting that humans could have been fine without the sensation of pain, as long as temptation hadn't been indulged by Adam and Eve?

Stuart

I am not saying they had no sensation of anything. Their experience was no less real. We may not feel that our feelings are real all the time, because we know there is something more real than what we are experiencing right now. But what they experienced in the garden, pure bliss and no lack of pleasure as God prescribed (according to His will, not the hedonistic or guilty pleasure of today), was then marred by their choice to sin when they were tempted.

Often we speak of pain as beneficial because we have sensation and a nervous system, etc.... but what I am pointing out is that pain can be seen as an extension of death, the result of sin.

 

[Stuu]

There is no fight scene here in Acts 15 as you suppose. What are you talking about?

Have you actually read Acts 15??

Stuart

 

[Jacob]

Have you actually read Acts 15??

Stuart

Yes. In it, as you focus on Peter, you will see that he relates how the Spirit of God fell even upon the Gentiles! See Acts 15:14.

 

[alwight]

Maybe Saul asked the Insubstantial One to obliterate, rather than arbitrate.

But the Big HG had celestial pay-per-view and wanted an even contest.

Stuart

It seems that the burning question was whether or not salvation depended on circumcision, which conveniently enough for the presumably uncircumcised Greeks, the HG confirmed that it wasn't, which must have been the real "good news" for them.

 

[Stuu]

I am not saying they had no sensation of anything. Their experience was no less real. We may not feel that our feelings are real all the time, because we know there is something more real than what we are experiencing right now. But what they experienced in the garden, pure bliss and no lack of pleasure as God prescribed (according to His will, not the hedonistic or guilty pleasure of today), was then marred by their choice to sin when they were tempted.

Often we speak of pain as beneficial because we have sensation and a nervous system, etc.... but what I am pointing out is that pain can be seen as an extension of death, the result of sin.

Did your god invent the Guinea worm, or not? Did it invent pain, or not? Whatever reasons it might have, humans suffer immensely from the combination of these two inventions of your god.

All I can conclude is, either your god is sadistic, or else it doesn't exist and the Guinea worm is just trying to make its living through the brutal mechanisms it has stumbled upon through natural selection.

Stuart

 

[Jacob]

Did your god invent the Guinea worm, or not? Did it invent pain, or not? Whatever reasons it might have, humans suffer immensely from the combination of these two inventions of your god.

All I can conclude is, either your god is sadistic, or else it doesn't exist and the Guinea worm is just trying to make its living through the brutal mechanisms it has stumbled upon through natural selection.

Stuart

All I have said is that death was not present in the garden of eden.

 

[Stuu]

Yes. In it, as you focus on Peter, you will see that he relates how the Spirit of God fell even upon the Gentiles! See Acts 15:14.

Sure, the commentators do deviate from the action for a short time.

Stuart