Creation vs. Evolution

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Jacob

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pre flood... no life other than what might have burrowed into the dirt


Radiometric dating assumes Biblical creation is false... and daughter elements were not created by God.
If God created ther daughter elements such as lead... the dating method is not reliable.

You likely are familiar with RATE?
I actually don't know what you are talking about here. For some reason I think isotope and I have no idea why.
 

Jacob

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No one can stop an individual student from praying or bringing a Bible to school, so long as he doesn't disrupt school activities, or impose on others.

I've had students do reports on things like cloning, and they are free to put up posters making religious arguments for or against. So far, the administration has always backed me on that.
A person's belief in God cannot be taken away from them, and their ability to pray in school shouldn't be taken away from them either. The issue of religion in schools may in some schools bring up the point of false religion or no religion. That is, belief in one God is agreed upon by many, but with very different beliefs about who that one God is from person to person. There can be peace in the midst of this. But only because truth triumphs and not religious agendas. That is, God can by His Spirit speak to those who do not yet know Him personally, and direct them in the way they should go. It is a way of peace, and not of harm. But it is a way of humility and quiet boldness in the face of fear. I believe everyone should have the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ into their life, for He died in our place and rose from the dead having defeated death, that all who have sinned (everyone besides Himself) would have victory over sin and temptation, and eternal life and the resurrection from the dead. All will be raised one day, and those who accept the gospel of Jesus Christ and repent are forgiven and will be raised with the righteous. These will not experience the second death. That is my best in this circumstance. I hope to have a better understanding as I continue to study the Bible.
 

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Davis Young, PhD, Professor (emeritus) at Calvin College (a Christian College), Geologist. He has written several books detailing, from his PhD-level Christian geology professors stance, why the creation account in Genesis is not a literal account. Get his books, because he won’t be contesting the reality of God or the Bible, but he will detail the evidence he sees God left in the rocks for an ancient earth. And he says no global flood.
There are excellent books from Christian geolgists who state the geological layers are evidence of the Biblical account of creation and global flood. Check out authors such as John Morris, Andrew Snelling and others.
 

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I actually don't know what you are talking about here. For some reason I think isotope and I have no idea why.
Radiometric dating that gives dates of millions or billions of years relies on certain assumptions... and of course on some science.

For example... uranium decays into lead...
UH,,, I'm going to do my best to explain... BJ or Barbarian may help me out but possibly with some evolutionary spin.
235U uranium decays to 207Pb lead (daughter element) with a half-life of 704 million years. It actually is a fairly precise measurement of the decay rate. So ..... 235U will be half gone in 704 million years...In another 704 million years, it will be 75% gone...and so on.
But the assumption is that it was completely 235U to begin with.
But..... we know from Gods Word that He created. So... if God created lead as part of the original creation... radiometric results mean little, because we don't know the initial percentage of parent and daughter elements.
 

Stuu

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Radiometric dating that gives dates of millions or billions of years relies on certain assumptions... and of course on some science.

For example... uranium decays into lead...
UH,,, I'm going to do my best to explain... BJ or Barbarian may help me out but possibly with some evolutionary spin.
235U uranium decays to 207Pb lead (daughter element) with a half-life of 704 million years. It actually is a fairly precise measurement of the decay rate. So ..... 235U will be half gone in 704 million years...In another 704 million years, it will be 75% gone...and so on.
But the assumption is that it was completely 235U to begin with.
But..... we know from Gods Word that He created. So... if God created lead as part of the original creation... radiometric results mean little, because we don't know the initial percentage of parent and daughter elements.
"The advantage of isochron dating as compared to simple radiometric dating techniques is that no assumptions are needed about the initial amount of the daughter nuclide in the radioactive decay sequence."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isochron_dating

Stuart
 

MichaelCadry

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It feels like Science of the Lambs here. I find what 6days has to say is extremely interesting. Are there any other ways to gauge time that are in use today or is that it!

Just Asking With Love In Jesus,

Michael
 

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I know what is right that is how I know macro evolution is wrong.

I have discussed with others elsewhere the difference between gravity as law and gravity as theory, but I don't deny its existence. Evolution is not like gravity. Evolution is like fables as it is fiction.

How is disagreeing with something that is false because I know what is true "railing against it"?

I don't know what you mean by "the human back causes so many problems".

I am now in computers though I was considering electrical engineering years ago.

I actually don't know anything about what you are talking about. I know metals are referred to in the Bible. See here:


I have already said I believe micro evolution is possible, just not macro evolution.

Well I guess we can learn from each other. If you learn about Jesus and I learn about evolution you will be the better for it.
Sorry to have bothered you. If you ever learn anything about evolution, come back and we can discuss your regrets.

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Dear All,

I actually truly think that this is a subject of we'll find out from God and Jesus when they tell us in person.

Michael
 

Jacob

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Sorry to have bothered you. If you ever learn anything about evolution, come back and we can discuss your regrets.

Stuart
I'm not sure how you intend for me to take/accept that. My hope is that you come to faith in God and Jesus and that you are saved. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
 

MichaelCadry

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Dear 6days and Untellectual,

Thank you both for your excellent resilience and expertise. I am very proud of you both. Initially, when I was younger, I believed, of course, that God created everything in six days, then I got older and could have sworn that God did it over generations of time, and now I'm back to 6days, so I am stuck there. If I'm wrong, I'm sure God will tell me. I hope I'm not wrong.
GOD BLESS YOU BOTH!!
For What You Have Done Together!!


Michael
 
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Dear BJDavis,

You have...and you conclude??? It seems like back and forth we go?

Michael
In the late 1990s the Institute for Creation Research launched the RATE project in which a select group of fundamentalist academic heavyweights united in an 8-year effort to scientifically show the earth was young. The effort concluded in 2005, and their results were made public. As it turns out, they accomplished little more than put a bit more polish on creationist arguments that had already been put forth. In the years since RATE was completed, I am not aware of any result from the RATE project that mainstream science has felt worth taking seriously.

A classic example was when John Baumgardner, defending his conclusions that Carbon-14 in things that should not have C14 if the earth is old, proves the earth is young. He had a brief but informative debate with Kirk Bertsche, a good Christian, who actually worked in Carbon-14 dating labs. The debate is available at Theologyweb.com. Baumgardner resorted to something too often seen at TOL – a series of mild ad hominems against Bertsche during the exchange. Bertsche, in true Christian fashion, not only countered Baumgardner’s scientific claims, but kept above tit-for-tat put-downs.

The prostitution of science that pervades fundamentalist attacks on science they disapprove of goes a long way towards showing me how bereft of real morals the fundamentalists really are. If Christian fundamentalists want me on their side, then they need to show me they understand science and that it indeed leads to the “truths” they claim, and show that they actually live the vaunted ideals of Christian conduct. So far, exactly the opposite has been what I have seen.
 

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BJDavis,

I don't want to play the game anymore, man. I think, once Jesus actually Returns for us, you will then get enough proof!!!

Michael
 

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BJDavis,

I don't want to play the game anymore, man. I think, once Jesus actually Returns for us, you will then get enough proof!!!

Michael
Hey Mike, I know you have said you don’t know the day or the hour when this whole shebang is going down, but when it really starts, I figure you will have at least 10 minutes lead time. Can you send me a PM then, so I can do some fast repenting, and then in heaven I will tell you how right you were?
 

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Hey Mike, I know you have said you don’t know the day or the hour when this whole shebang is going down, but when it really starts, I figure you will have at least 10 minutes lead time. Can you send me a PM then, so I can do some fast repenting, and then in heaven I will tell you how right you were?

You want to go to heaven?

And you're relying on a phone call from this retard to get there?
 

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Now, now, watch your language. Michael is on your side – pro-Bible, pro-God, and anti-evolution.

He's a drug-addled homo.

He's the kind of guy evolutionists love to string along so that they can pretend he is representative of the people and ideas that challenge Darwinism.
 
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