Creation vs. Evolution

[MichaelCadry]

So in other words you think it is better to settle on a view of origins before you have thoroughly investigated all the evidence regarding origins?

Dear noguru,

Not thoroughly. But that could take a few lifetimes, so we may never see it in our lifetimes. But I can believe in God and Jesus without question and I put my trust in Them. Are you still a Christian? You should know better than this. God spoke everything into existence through His Spirit. 'God's Word never comes back to Him unfulfilled.'

Michael

 

[noguru]

Michael, do you want those last two posts to pass as science?

Where is Stripe when you need him? At least he starts up with all the fanfare for science.You guys cave in too quickly.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Michael, do you want those last two posts to pass as science?

Where is Stripe when you need him? At least he starts up with all the fanfare for science.You guys cave in too quickly.

Dear noguru,

Yes, of course, I do want those last two posts to pass as science. I only respect them as what I believe and what Unintellectual believes. I'm saying it is science or scientific. But they are holy. I would consider them as History though, also. If you take the rest of your life examining origins, you'll probably die before the answer is found.

Michael

 

[alwight]

Dear noguru,

Of course, I don't want those last two posts to pass as science. I only respect them as what I believe and what 6days believes. I'm not saying they are science or scientific. But they are holy. I would consider them as History books though. Ancient history.

Michael

Hi Michael,
There seems to be three Caballeros in this particular thread who all simply presuppose whatever they want to believe first and then when made to, try to make real science comply with it, ...not too convincingly imo.
I realise that real science can sometimes be an inconvenient truth to such presupposed beliefs but there you go, go live in a monastery perhaps, plant potatoes and keep silent, that will keep all those dangerous human ideas and questions at bay.

But if we all did that that then the sun would still be going around the Earth, planets would be those strange wanderers in the night sky and galaxies wouldn't exist.
Never mind quantum tunnelling, why worry just be happy, believe whatever you want, never mind stuff like "evidence" puhh.

Naturally "Goddidit" is always available if things get really complicated which need really comprehensive and thorough explanations.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Alwight,

But I have that 'magical God' in Heaven that tells us what is truth and so I can go by believing Him instead of wracking my brain trying to find out whatever noguru is looking for. I can live the simple life. If someone wants to know if an egg will fry on the sidewalk in wintertime, let them wait there all winter and see how much time they've wasted. The same with many things, including finding some elusive origins. If you all can solve it by the time this world's Apocalypse arrives, the more power to you. Of course, the Bible isn't the only book about science, but for us who believe in it, it does the trick. Now if noguru wants to find all of the origins, go for it.

Peace,

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Howdy Alwight,

I know there's not much time for searching for the evidence of the origins and noguru doesn't realize that. There simply isn't enough time before Jesus Returns. Even if it took him 3 years. Will chat with you in a bit.

Michael

 

[Stuu]

I am always thinking critically, through the lens or filter of my beliefs or bias. But I try to remain open to learning new things. I have not studied Biology past High School... of that I am certain.

As soon as you are putting a filter on you aren't thinking critically. You have to be prepared to call absolutely everything into question in order to be critical properly, but you are not prepared to do that.

Let us know when you are ready for real critical thinking.

Stuart

 

[noguru]

Howdy Alwight,

I know there's not much time for searching for the evidence of the origins and noguru doesn't realize that. There simply isn't enough time before Jesus Returns. Even if it took him 3 years. Will chat with you in a bit.

Michael

Ah yes, the old "There is not enough time, so let's just give up and believe whatever it is we want to believe about the natural world." Sorry Michael, but I can't lie to myself that way.

 

[alwight]

Dear Alwight,

But I have that 'magical God' in Heaven that tells us what is truth and so I can go by believing Him instead of wracking my brain trying to find out whatever noguru is looking for. I can live the simple life. If someone wants to know if an egg will fry on the sidewalk in wintertime, let them wait there all winter and see how much time they've wasted.

The thing is Michael that science is usually rather more sophisticated and efficient than that.
The temperature that eggs fry at can be established and like the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented each time.

The same with many things, including finding some elusive origins. If you all can solve it by the time this world's Apocalypse arrives, the more power to you. Of course, the Bible isn't the only book about science, but for us who believe in it, it does the trick. Now if noguru wants to find all of the origins, go for it.

Peace,

Michael

We can always speculate on how long our human species will continue, we might perhaps cause our own destruction, or maybe a newly evolved plague might bring about our demise.
We can do this by projecting from what is already known through science and evidence. We may even be able to make sure that the worst doesn't happen based on what has already happened and what is known about a particular possible threat.
I would suggest that the days of remaining blissfully unaware are over, we ignore scientific conclusions and its predictions at our peril.
Not that ignorance ever did us any favours in the past. :nono:

Your own imaginary Apocalypse however has no such foundation in existing or previous evidence and therefore cannot reasonably be projected into the future, except by bald assertion of course. Such an assertion can be just as easily rejected in favour of a more rational prediction based on real scientific evidence and facts, rather than by what some unknown ancient middle eastern person dreamed up once upon a time.

 

[noguru]

The thing is Michael that science is usually rather more sophisticated and efficient than that.
The temperature that eggs fry at can be established and like the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented each time.

Yes, I am thinking Michael missed that lesson in science class about the various ways to denature proteins. Perhaps he was too busy flirting with boys.

 

[alwight]

Yes, I am thinking Michael missed that lesson in science class about the various ways to denature proteins. Perhaps he was too busy flirting with boys.

He's probably done cookery classes (domestic science?) without realising the science involved.
Cup cakes for him are created by the magic of ancient wisdom handed down in anonymous recipe scripture?

 

[noguru]

He's probably done cookery classes (domestic science?) without realising the science involved.
Cup cakes for him are created by the magic of ancient wisdom handed down in anonymous recipe scripture?

:rotfl:

 

[Stuu]

There simply isn't enough time before Jesus Returns. Even if it took him 3 years.

It's interesting to note in the writing of Saul of Tarsus (sorry don't have a list of scripture references to hand) that after his Damascene experience (or epileptic fit, or whatever it was), he believes that Jesus will be back very soon, perhaps in a matter of weeks. Then as he grows older he realises that it isn't going to be soon in the urgent sense, and towards the end of his life he changes what he writes again to include himself being brought back from death to join those still alive in their rapture event.

Maybe Jesus has been back and we missed it.

Or maybe dead people only spring back to life in cartoons.

Stuart

 

[Robert_1965]

It's interesting to note in the writing of Saul of Tarsus (sorry don't have a list of scripture references to hand) that after his Damascene experience (or epileptic fit, or whatever it was), he believes that Jesus will be back very soon, perhaps in a matter of weeks. Then as he grows older he realises that it isn't going to be soon in the urgent sense, and towards the end of his life he changes what he writes again to include himself being brought back from death to join those still alive in their rapture event.

Maybe Jesus has been back and we missed it.

Or maybe dead people only spring back to life in cartoons.

Stuart

Stuu, we know about when Jesus will return... about two thousand years from the first coming. There are several scriptures like the one below that point to this.

Jos_3:4 Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore.

 

[Stuu]

Stuu, we know about when Jesus will return... about two thousand years from the first coming. There are several scriptures like the one below that point to this.

Jos_3:4 Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore.

You do realise the cubit is a unit of length, not time, right?

Stuart

 

[alwight]

Maybe Jesus has been back and we missed it.

The JWs were so disappointed that Jesus didn't turn up in 1914 that they pretended he did anyway, invisibly.

 

[Jacob]

Nope. I degraded him and then he started ignoring me. I don't like to mince my words. If you really think he is not a moron, provide one post you think does not demonstrate that he is a moron.

I doesn't matter who a person is or what they say there is no reason to call anyone a moron.

 

[Jacob]

As soon as you are putting a filter on you aren't thinking critically. You have to be prepared to call absolutely everything into question in order to be critical properly, but you are not prepared to do that.

Let us know when you are ready for real critical thinking.

Stuart

The filter is how a person thinks critically. Otherwise he or she might believe anything. It is okay to ask questions. I have certainly spent most of my life doing so. But I also know that questions need answers.

 

[Jacob]

This may interest any of you. He has a PhD in the History of Geology and he knows the Bible. I just watched it twice and I think he does a good job.

Why Shouldn't Christians Accept Millions of Years? - Dr. Terry Mortenson

Article -> Why Shouldn't Christians Accept Millions of Years? Dr. Terry Mortenson

 

[Under Pressure]

But I also know that questions need answers.

Why?