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Robert_1965

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Originally Posted by Robert_1965 View Post
Stuu, we know about when Jesus will return... about two thousand years from the first coming. There are several scriptures like the one below that point to this.

Jos_3:4 Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore.
You do realise the cubit is a unit of length, not time, right?

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Hi Stuart, I do realize that, but the bible is written on many levels. The literal story deals with distance, when Israel sees the ark of the covenant (which represents the presence and power of God), they were to remove from their place and go after it. But they were to keep a space of about 2000 cubits between them and the ark.

The prophetic story deals with time, when the nation of Israel saw Jesus (the presence and power of God), they were removed from their place and the kingdom was turned over to the Gentiles. Israel will go after Jesus but the space between them and Jesus will be about 2000 years.

I wouldn't base doctrine on this one foreshadowing story, but there are several other foreshadows that point to the 2000 year time frame. Hosea 6:2 is another cool verse... Two days (one day is as a thousand years) after the Lord has torn Israel, he will heal them.

Hos_6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 

The Barbarian

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This may interest any of you. He has a PhD in the History of Geology and he knows the Bible. I just watched it twice and I think he does a good job.

Since you think so, how about telling us the two best arguments he makes? If you don't competent to evaluate what he's said, feel free to ignore the request.
 

Jacob

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Since you think so, how about telling us the two best arguments he makes? If you don't competent to evaluate what he's said, feel free to ignore the request.
I'm sorry? What did you just say? Just watch the video and read the link. I don't have a doctorate, he does. And it relates to Geology. And he knows the scriptures.
 

alwight

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This may interest any of you. He has a PhD in the History of Geology and he knows the Bible. I just watched it twice and I think he does a good job.
Why Shouldn't Christians Accept Millions of Years? - Dr. Terry Mortenson
Article -> Why Shouldn't Christians Accept Millions of Years? Dr. Terry Mortenson
My understanding of Dr. Terry Mortenson is that despite an albeit genuine PhD in the History of Geology he is virtually an unknown in the field of actual geology itself, since I had wondered what "History of Geology" actually was.
I think it involves simply what it says, the history of geology.
He is much more well known as a YEC who works and speaks for AiG.

Mortenson's only "reasoning" for not accepting millions of years comes from Genesis not geology. He is bound by whatever Genesis says, so as AiG say themselves:
"By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information."
https://answersingenesis.org/about/faith/

It matters not to AiG or Mortenson what science actually says simply because Genesis will always trump any of it for them.
Clearly Mortenson's only "evidence" in this video is Genesis and just like him I doubt that you are even remotely capable of doubting its literal accuracy, or ever accepting that science (not being shackled to Genesis) just might know rather more than anyone at AiG.
 

Jacob

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Then show me where his arguments are scientific and not simply from or trumped ultimately by Genesis?
He talks about the history of geology, which is a scientific discipline, and he provides insight into what has happened.
 

The Barbarian

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Barbarian, regarding Mortensen:
Since you think so, how about telling us the two best arguments he makes? If you don't competent to evaluate what he's said, feel free to ignore the request.

I'm sorry?

Don't be sorry. Just tell us what, about his argument, you found convincing. I

Just watch the video and read the link.

So it's entirely faith-based for you? Given that his position is held by a minority of Christians, and is contrary to Genesis, what gives you faith that he's right?

I don't have a doctorate,

He doesn't have one in any science, either. It's in "History of Geology", whatever that is. And he has no undergraduate credential in science, either. He has a degree in math and a Master's in theology.

And it relates to Geology.

In the sense that studying the history of space exploration relates to piloting spacecraft.
 

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alwight said:
Untellectual said:
Mortenson's only reasoning for not accepting millions of years comes from Genesis.

Nope. Did you read the article as well as watch the video? That is not what he says

If Gods Word eliminates the possibility of millions of years.....thats all you need for reasoning. The geological features we see around the world make sense in the light of special creation and the global flood.*

Thanks for the video.*
 

Jacob

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Barbarian, regarding Mortensen:
Since you think so, how about telling us the two best arguments he makes? If you don't competent to evaluate what he's said, feel free to ignore the request.

Don't be sorry. Just tell us what, about his argument, you found convincing. I
No, I meant I don't understand what you are asking me to do. It doesn't make sense. I listened to and watched the whole thing. I read the entire article. I disagree with nothing.
So it's entirely faith-based for you? Given that his position is held by a minority of Christians, and is contrary to Genesis, what gives you faith that he's right?
Why would you say it is contrary to Genesis? In what respect?
He doesn't have one in any science, either. It's in "History of Geology", whatever that is. And he has no undergraduate credential in science, either. He has a degree in math and a Master's in theology.
Is the History of Geology a science degree is your question? I don't have a degree in the history of Geology. He does!
In the sense that studying the history of space exploration relates to piloting spacecraft.
No. In the sense that macro evolution does not make sense. But he is talking about geology.
 

Jacob

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So you do not think what a person says matters and that a person can say moronic things without being called out on that? How convenient for you morons. :)
Nothing about moronic things people say or people being morons either.

No one is a moron. To suggest otherwise is idiocy.
 
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