ECT CATHOLIC CHURCH & PROTESTANT SECTS: What's the Difference?

CabinetMaker

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Unfortunately, the proof you were asked to provide (Post #50) has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, but with your preferred man-made sect. Here, I'll post it again:
"In order for your doctrinal opinions to carry any weight whatsoever, please go ahead and demonstrate that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., and against which he declared that the gates of hell would never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15). Please post your proof now."



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Your comment is irrelevant. I made no comments about anything doctrinal, just offered an observation about two different types of church structures. Your catechism clearly demonstrates that the RCC is a rules based church.
 

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Because the "reformers"---who couldn't even agree among themselves regarding salvation---pridefully separated themselves from Christ's one historic Church[/URL] and her teachings, deciding instead to formulate Christian doctrine for themselves (that is, to become their own ultimate doctrinal authority). Result: 50,000+ entirely non-authoritative recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sects to date, with more being concocted every week. A hopelessly subjective interpretive chaos.
If anything, we copied your doctrines of everlasting punishment, and your lame trinity and christ idolatries. Protestantism copies much of the lameness of Thomas Aquinas, but without the sacraments. Breathing in a vacuum must be hard for you.
 

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Because the "reformers"---who couldn't even agree among themselves regarding salvation---pridefully separated themselves fromChrist's one historic Church

And where does the Catholic agreement meet? At the voting of a man in which priests vote for and who you have absolutely no relevance in deciding?
So much for the Spirit in yourself deciding anything.
The Roman Church is a product of men wanting to rule over. There is no more Christ in any of your popes over good Christians.

You can preach what you say all day, Luther and Calvin rebelled against it front and center. The early Christians did not hinge on a papacy- there is no evidence of Christianity being any different from the very personal relationship that Protestant doctrine teaches.
 

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Your comment is irrelevant. I made no comments about anything doctrinal, just offered an observation about two different types of church structures. Your catechism clearly demonstrates that the RCC is a rules based church.
Last chance:
"In order for your doctrinal opinions to carry any weight whatsoever, please go ahead and demonstrate that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., and against which he declared that the gates of hell would never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15). Please post your proof now."



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And where does the Catholic agreement meet?
In the formal decisions of the Magisterium (bishops in communion w/ the pope) of Christ's one historic Church.

At the voting of a man in which priests vote for...
Actually, it is the Magisterium (bishops) which elects the pope.

...and who you have absolutely no relevance in deciding?
Why would I expect to have any role in electing the Bishop of Rome? The Church is not a democracy, and the pope is not a president. Read the gospels and Acts---laymen are given no "vote" regarding the formation of Christian doctrine or the ordination of bishops in the New Testament. Why would you assume they would have a vote in Christ's one historic Church today?

So much for the Spirit in yourself deciding anything.
Again, your assumptions about precisely how the Spirit guides and teaches the faithful are simply wrong.

The Roman Church is a product of men wanting to rule over. There is no more Christ in any of your popes over good Christians.
The anti-Catholic assumptions and opinions that you have derived from your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect are noted.

You can preach what you say all day, Luther and Calvin rebelled against it front and center.
Ironic that you appeal to "the reformers," since Luther and Calvin couldn't even agree among themselves regarding even the central and defining tenets of the Christian faith! :doh: They possessed no more authority to define or change the doctrines of the Church than did, for example, Arius, Pelagius, or Sabellius before them.

The early Christians did not hinge on a papacy- there is no evidence of Christianity being any different from the very personal relationship that Protestant doctrine teaches.
:darwinsm: ...Try again.



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CabinetMaker

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Last chance:
"In order for your doctrinal opinions to carry any weight whatsoever, please go ahead and demonstrate that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., and against which he declared that the gates of hell would never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15). Please post your proof now."



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Why can't you understand that I offered no doctrinal opinion? Are you just daft have the ability to actually read and reply to what people say?
 

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Why can't you understand that I offered no doctrinal opinion?
Then your non-doctrinal opinion is even more irrelevant on a forum called "THEOLOGY Online."

In any case, given that you have been completely unable to establish the doctrinal authority of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect's opinions, the statements in Post #63 above are necessarily and inescapably proven, and your entire approach simply collapses.



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Then your non-doctrinal opinion is even more irrelevant on a forum called "THEOLOGY Online."

In any case, given that you have been completely unable to establish the doctrinal authority of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect's opinions, the statements in Post #63 above are necessarily and inescapably proven, and your entire approach simply collapses.



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And have you read Institutes of the Christian Religion
 

CabinetMaker

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Then your non-doctrinal opinion is even more irrelevant on a forum called "THEOLOGY Online."

In any case, given that you have been completely unable to establish the doctrinal authority of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect's opinions, the statements in Post #63 above are necessarily and inescapably proven, and your entire approach simply collapses.



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Given your participation of this site, it has probably escaped your notice the many threads do not deal strictly with theology. Even in threads that are dealing with theology, not all posts are theological.

Daft, I'm going with daft. Thanks for playing. But your response highlighted one other significance between the RCC and Protestant churches: Protestants will discuss doctrines at length, Catholic's don't.
 

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Given your participation of this site, it has probably escaped your notice the many threads do not deal strictly with theology.
Odd in this case, since the stated title of this particular forum is "Exclusively Christian Theology."

Back to Post #92 above.



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CabinetMaker

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Odd in this case, since the stated title of this particular forum is "Exclusively Christian Theology."

Back to Post #92 above.



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Vehicular does not mean that every post in every thread is going to be about doctrine nor even always theology in the strictest definition of the word. There are two types of church models proscriptive such a Catholicism, Baptists, Mormons, Jewish and Islamic. There are other churches that are based on relationships and not in rules.

So tell us, does the RCC possess a catechism that proscribes the churches doctrines, that defines sins as mortal or venial, that tells members what they should and shouldn't do?
 
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